Edwards and Palin have nothing in common. A more appropriate comparison would be between Edwards and Bill Clinton. Both southerns who could drop the folksy lingo, but unlike Palin also speak intelligently and at length about issues outside their domain. Edwards' recent martial affair would also solidify him as Clinton Lite.
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Edwards and Palin have nothing in common. A more appropriate comparison would be between Edwards and Bill Clinton. Both southerns who could drop the folksy lingo, but unlike Palin also speak intelligently and at length about issues outside their domain. Edwards' recent martial affair would also solidify him as Clinton Lite.
Obama as chairman of Afghanistan has done a poor jon the fact that he is saying we should go into Paki world is disgusting give me a break
You give the man too little credit. He cheated on his wife, who is dying of cancer, all while she was appearing on his behalf at campaign events telling the voters how great he was, and how she wanted him to be running, not staying home to help take care of his sick wife. Edwards makes Bill Clinton look amateurish in comparison.
Huh? You lost me there.
All true, but the point being that Edwards and Palin are not in any way alike. Her ignorance of the world outside Alaska is truly astounding.
McCain made a mistake in gettin Palin onboard, he should have gone for a standard running mate, shes just too much, but maybe americans like that.
Fair enough. My sincere apologies for calling you a Rep*blican.
You may be right about Biden, but I know which one (as an outsider who spends a fair amount of time working in the US but only really in SoCal) I'd rather see as President in the event of such a thing being necessary..
No argument here. But I was referring to your contention that Edwards' infidelity + drawling charm made him "Clinton Lite". I maintain that with regard to infidelity, Edwards in in a league of his own. What an ass.
Now thats straight talk!
So, now if we don't vote for Barry Obama we're racist?!?
That's right up there with not voting for McCain is voting for terrorism.
So, now if we don't vote for Barry Obama we're racist?!?
That's right up there with not voting for McCain is voting for terrorism.
he is talking to steelworkers union...so what did the GOP do for unions....other than try and destroy them....
the GOP since 1980 had one strategy...use racism, bigotry to get votes.....thus was born the Reagan democrats....and these people voted against their own interests...just as they have been doing that even more so in the south....
the GOP has done feck all for the middle class.....just look at health care and education....just on those two issues....McCain offers Nothing....
I hate to tell you but the day of unions is coming to an end, thankfully. They no longer serve the purpose they were once needed for. Now we're blaming Reagan. feck, you demos are reaching now. You do understan that was 1980 for christs sake. Yes, 30 years ago. If unions died today America companies would become more competitve. You may think that's bullshit but I live in a state where businesses can't get out fast enough due to the skyrocketing costs of doing business here. I also deal with a local union everyday where I work and I've never seen a lazier slower bunch of twats in my life.
I agree with you CaliRed, California is having a lot of problems, years of horrible governing and fecking millions of Mexicans not paying taxes; where are you in Cali
...and you think health care cost have nothing to do with this?
imo an investment by unions and management in business will force both to ensure the business is profitable....at least they would be working together instead of working against each other...
...and you have still to answer my question.....
I'm in the San Joaquin Valley just south of Stockton. About an hour east of San Francisco. It's essentially the armpit of the world I think. If not at least you can see it from here.
What was the question again? If it's the healthcare deal, I am vehemently opposed to any form of government sponsored, controlled, mandated or suggested health care. And the next person that points out fecking sweeden or some other tiny country as a model I will laugh at daily.
The next debate is this coming Tuesday...
McCain/Palin have declared 'The gloves are off'.
Well, big feckin' deal, as if Barak and his team haven't endured an 'Everything and the Kitchen Sink' attack.
This will only frustrate the already angry voters that want or need workable solutions. People want smarter government, not so jack-ass that talks shit up one side and down another. The voters have been down that path.
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And Cali Red has bought into the fascist mindset on healthcare, he just isn't aware that it's without humanity to allow people to die in a country with some of the most advanced technology and healthcare education.
These people will be left out of the conversation because of their hardcore stance.
He and his ilk can pay for all the FOX News and CNN hours they like, change in healthcare is going to come, in the USA.
McCain/Palin have declared 'The gloves are off'.
Well, big feckin' deal, as if Barak and his team haven't endured an 'Everything and the Kitchen Sink' attack.
This will only frustrate the already angry voters that want or need workable solutions. People want smarter government, not so jack-ass that talks shit up one side and down another. The voters have been down that path.
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And Cali Red has bought into the fascist mindset on healthcare, he just isn't aware that it's without humanity to allow people to die in a country with some of the most advanced technology and healthcare education.
These people will be left out of the conversation because of their hardcore stance.
He and his ilk can pay for all the FOX News and CNN hours they like, change in healthcare is going to come, in the USA.
Well then let's hear what I'm in for since it appears I have no control over it. Also, it's not lack of humanity, it's a realistic view. It's not that I wouldn't want people to have healthcare I guess I'm just too thick to see how this country can afford to give it to everyone.
Cali Red...that tells me you have not even bothered to look into both health care plans...it is Not..I repeat Not a government health care plan that Obama is offering....just go to his website and read through it at least....
here is a link
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
and to address what the Europeans have......I can attest from personal experience if not for that government health care plan you deride I would not be alive today....if not for it when I was a student overseas....
It costs 400k to become a doctor, I see no reason why doctors salaries should be reduced so people should can get unlimited healthcare. I mean give me a fecking break we have all these fat motherfeckers who smoke and drink like it is going out of style and thus have tons of health problems, yet they want unlimited health care, to take care of their self inflicted illnesses. There was some proposal last year in California, that doctors themselves should pay for healthcare by being taxed an extra two percent from their earnings, give me a fecking break. Why dont they tax the lawyers who spend all their time suing well meaning physicians. In a perfect world everyone does deserve the best health care, but the world is far from perfect and life isnt fair. A lot of people's solutions lead to the doctors footing the bill, which is horseshit, and wont ever fly; it's the drug and insurance companies that need to change, thats the reason healthcare is so expensive. AIDS drugs that they give out for free in Africa, costs Americans several thousand dollars, which is ridiculous. It's not healthcare that has a problem the doctors in the US are some of the best in the world maybe the best in the world, it's the bureaucratic nonsense and adminstration that are the problem and need the fixing most of the Dems try to blame the all the problems on the doctors when actually its the lawyers and insurance corps that have fecked up the system. Also the illegals
How about Germany (pop:82 million), Japan (pop:127 million), United Kingdom (pop:60 million), France (pop:64 million), Taiwan (pop:24 million)? For an in depth exploration of socialized healthcare in five other capitalist democracies (UK, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and Switzerland), consider watching this PBS Frontline documentary: Sick Around the World (click on "Watch full program online", top right corner). I found it very informative, and also entertaining. And no, that's not sarcasm.
Our health care system is a national disgrace, sometimes even for people who do have insurance, and there is a lot we could learn from the way other nations handle this issue. As for the Republican contention that Americans will never stand for socialized medicine, I call bullshit. Nearly every American wants socialized medicine, and nearly every single one will participate in it if they live long enough - because I 'm talking about Medicare. Socialized medicine in action. It works. We like it. We'd scream bloody murder if any president or Congress tried to take it away, and rightly so. It is a lifeline, without which many Americans would live shorter lives, with a far poorer quality of life. But if you're not old, we have been led to believe that such things are some sort of privilege, not a right.
Medicare works, my ass that's a ludicrous thing to say
It's certainly not perfect, but I think Americans' biggest complaint about it would be that it doesn't do enough. In other words, they want MORE socialized medicine. But maybe old people are all Communists, and the rest of us wouldn't stand for such anti-free-market rubbish. Yes, that's probably it.
The American people deserve shit for the most part and are spoiled as feck. I am all for children up to the age of 18 getting healthcare, but come on after that is up to get a fecking job that supplies healthcare, it's really that simple, or if it doesnt supply insurance pay for it yourself. Healthcare is basically just another form of welfare that is unnecessary and make the American people are the more lazy. Americans are living longer than ever than ever and it is due to excellent medicine, this in spite of all the obesity. People need to take care of themselves imo, and quit asking for other people to take care of them.
I would rather the government subsidize the price of gas so it was a buck a gallon. That would probably help the economy a whole hell of a lot more
I would rather the government subsidize the price of gas so it was a buck a gallon. That would probably help the economy a whole hell of a lot more
I found this in my emailbox, a few good points there:
David Letterman wrote this; it's the David we
don't often see...
" As most of you know I am not a President
Bush fan, nor have I ever been, but this is not
about Bush, it is about us, as Americans, and it
seems to hit the mark
'The other day I was reading Newsweek
magazine and came across some Poll data I found
rather hard to believe. It must be true given
the source, right?
The Newsweek poll alleges that 67
percent of Americans are unhappy with the
direction the country is headed and 69 percent of
the country is unhappy with the performance of
the President. In essence 2/3 of the citizenry
just ain't happy and want a change. So being the
knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What
are we so unhappy about?''
A.. Is it that we have electricity and
running water 24 hours a day, 7 Days a week?
B.. Is our unhappiness the result of
having air conditioning in the summer and heating
in the winter?
C.. Could it be that 95.4 percent of
these unhappy folks have a job?
D.. Maybe it is the ability to walk
into a grocery store at any time and see more
food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last
year?
E.. Maybe it is the ability to drive our
cars and trucks from the Pacific Ocean to the
Atlantic Ocean without having to present
identification papers as we move through each
state?
F.. Or possibly the hundreds of clean
and safe motels we would find along the way that
can provide temporary shelter?
G.. I guess having thousands of
restaurants with varying cuisine from around the
world is just not good enough either.
H. Or could it be that when we wreck
our car, emergency workers show up and provide
services to help all and even send a helicopter
to take you to the hospital.
I.. Perhaps you are one of the 70
percent of Americans who own a home.
J.. You may be upset with knowing that
in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of
trained firefighters will appear in moments and
use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames,
thus saving you, your family, and your
belongings.
K.. Or if, while at home watching one
of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or
prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun
and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you
and your family against attack or loss .
L.. This all in the backdrop of a
neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and
pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where
90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers.
M.. How about the complete religious,
social and political freedoms we enjoy that are
the envy of everyone in the world?
Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks
unhappy.
Fact is, we are the largest group of
ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever
seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet
has a great disdain for its citizens. They see
us for what we are. The most blessed people in
the world who do nothing but complain about what
we don't have, and what we hate about the country
instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.
I know, I know. What about the
president who took us into war and has no plan to
get us out? The president who has a measly 31
percent approval rating? Is this the same
president who guided the nation in the dark days
after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to
bring an economy out of recession? Could this
be the same guy who has been called every name in
the book for succeeding in keeping all the
spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist
attacks? The commander in chief of an
all-volunteer army that is out there defending
you and me?
Did you hear how bad the President is
on the news or talk show? Did this news affect
you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't
take a look around for yourself and see all the
good things and be glad? Think about
it......are you upset at the President because he
actually caused you personal pain OR is it
because the 'Media' told you he was failing to
kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.
Make no mistake about it.
The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have
volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have
died for your freedom. There is currently no
draft in this country. They didn't have to go.
They are able to refuse to go and end up with
either a ''general'' discharge, an 'other than
honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a
''dishonorable' ' discharge after a few days in
the brig.
So why then the flat-out discontentment
in the minds of 69 percent of Americans?
Say what you want but I blame it on the
media. If it bleeds it leads and they
specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a
car crash with blood and guts How many will
watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The
media knows this and media outlets are for-profit
corporations. They offer what sells, and when
criticized, try to defend their actions by
'justifying' them in one way or another Just ask
why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J.
Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill
his wife, but if he did he would have done it
this way......Insane!
Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New
York Times for the bottom of your bird cage.
Then start being grateful for all we have as
country. There is exponentially more good than
bad. We are among the most blessed people on
Earth and should thank God several times a day,
or at least be thankful and appreciative.' 'With
hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud
slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up
the country from one end to another, and with the
threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we
sure this is a good time to take God out of the
Pledge of Allegiance?'
David Letterman
David Letterman wrote this; it's the David we
don't often see...
" As most of you know I am not a President
Bush fan, nor have I ever been, but this is not
about Bush, it is about us, as Americans, and it
seems to hit the mark
'The other day I was reading Newsweek
magazine and came across some Poll data I found
rather hard to believe. It must be true given
the source, right?
The Newsweek poll alleges that 67
percent of Americans are unhappy with the
direction the country is headed and 69 percent of
the country is unhappy with the performance of
the President. In essence 2/3 of the citizenry
just ain't happy and want a change. So being the
knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What
are we so unhappy about?''
A.. Is it that we have electricity and
running water 24 hours a day, 7 Days a week?
B.. Is our unhappiness the result of
having air conditioning in the summer and heating
in the winter?
C.. Could it be that 95.4 percent of
these unhappy folks have a job?
D.. Maybe it is the ability to walk
into a grocery store at any time and see more
food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last
year?
E.. Maybe it is the ability to drive our
cars and trucks from the Pacific Ocean to the
Atlantic Ocean without having to present
identification papers as we move through each
state?
F.. Or possibly the hundreds of clean
and safe motels we would find along the way that
can provide temporary shelter?
G.. I guess having thousands of
restaurants with varying cuisine from around the
world is just not good enough either.
H. Or could it be that when we wreck
our car, emergency workers show up and provide
services to help all and even send a helicopter
to take you to the hospital.
I.. Perhaps you are one of the 70
percent of Americans who own a home.
J.. You may be upset with knowing that
in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of
trained firefighters will appear in moments and
use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames,
thus saving you, your family, and your
belongings.
K.. Or if, while at home watching one
of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or
prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun
and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you
and your family against attack or loss .
L.. This all in the backdrop of a
neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and
pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where
90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers.
M.. How about the complete religious,
social and political freedoms we enjoy that are
the envy of everyone in the world?
Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks
unhappy.
Fact is, we are the largest group of
ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever
seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet
has a great disdain for its citizens. They see
us for what we are. The most blessed people in
the world who do nothing but complain about what
we don't have, and what we hate about the country
instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.
I know, I know. What about the
president who took us into war and has no plan to
get us out? The president who has a measly 31
percent approval rating? Is this the same
president who guided the nation in the dark days
after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to
bring an economy out of recession? Could this
be the same guy who has been called every name in
the book for succeeding in keeping all the
spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist
attacks? The commander in chief of an
all-volunteer army that is out there defending
you and me?
Did you hear how bad the President is
on the news or talk show? Did this news affect
you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't
take a look around for yourself and see all the
good things and be glad? Think about
it......are you upset at the President because he
actually caused you personal pain OR is it
because the 'Media' told you he was failing to
kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.
Make no mistake about it.
The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have
volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have
died for your freedom. There is currently no
draft in this country. They didn't have to go.
They are able to refuse to go and end up with
either a ''general'' discharge, an 'other than
honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a
''dishonorable' ' discharge after a few days in
the brig.
So why then the flat-out discontentment
in the minds of 69 percent of Americans?
Say what you want but I blame it on the
media. If it bleeds it leads and they
specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a
car crash with blood and guts How many will
watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The
media knows this and media outlets are for-profit
corporations. They offer what sells, and when
criticized, try to defend their actions by
'justifying' them in one way or another Just ask
why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J.
Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill
his wife, but if he did he would have done it
this way......Insane!
Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New
York Times for the bottom of your bird cage.
Then start being grateful for all we have as
country. There is exponentially more good than
bad. We are among the most blessed people on
Earth and should thank God several times a day,
or at least be thankful and appreciative.' 'With
hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud
slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up
the country from one end to another, and with the
threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we
sure this is a good time to take God out of the
Pledge of Allegiance?'
David Letterman
Alex, no offense but you do the stupid side of an arguement like none other...
For starters, if it's 400k for an education to become a doctor, costs to become a doctor should be sharply reduced, somehow.
I would be that 100's of thousands of student doctors would agree to community healthcare for a 5 year period for an educational bill that is reduced to 200k.
Both you and Cali Red are using an arguement that is more than 50 years old, it's not working like it used to... the old and silly statement, 'How would it be payed for, let's just forget it...' is done. People have gotten to a point of, 'How would it be payed for, let's get it done somehow...'
In Ghana they have a system of non-military national service. Doctors, teachers and the like do a year or a couple of years working for the state, which allows them to get a certain level of experience and training. Then they are free to work for themselves.
I'd take him more seriously if he hadn't forgotten Bush's policies allegedly took USA out of a recession only to put them firmly on the path of the next great depression barring some serious tax payers money intervention, sent that volunteer national army to die for their nation in a needless war, because he jumped in without a serious plan and false intelligence, saddled the country with almost a trillion government debt via a shocking budget deficit, and has presided over the constant cutting of taxes for the rich and corporate bodies while the middle class and below are saddled with more of the nation's tax burden. Yet now they have to bail our fecking wall street, who run the economy into serious trouble via their government backed deregulated corporate greed.
In fact the author of that email should be thanking God Americans are so damn tolerant. Everywhere else in the world that shit would have lead to civil wars and major civil unrest. French revolution style.
feck's sake, what is it with misattributed quotes today? Letterman had nothing to do with it, and neither did Jay Leno, to whom is has also often been attributed. The author was Craig R. Smith, writing in the staunchly right-wing World News Daily. The November 20, 2006 article was entitled Made in the USA: Spoiled brats.
And in the context of the current election, admonishing voters not to be so dissatisfied, and to be grateful for what we've got is like saying, "Sure we're spending billions of dollars a day to fight a war we'll never win, while our infrastructure crumbles and our healthcare system is a joke. But you've got air conditioning in the summer, and 24-hour-a-day electricity! That's about 16 hours more per day than Bagdad, so I don't know what the hell you whiners are complaining about! And enough talk about this "recession". There's no recession! It's just more whining."
Complete fecking rubbish. Don't worry, be happy!
Well, the autor might be different but the points still stand.
Yes, that would explain why Europeans all get government subsidized healthcare, yet we are the fattest people in the world. Oh wait, no it wouldn't.
Yeah, I really want my tax dollars going to subsidizing you filling up your Hummer to drive to the Starbucks five blocks from your house. Great idea.
No. They don't. The author basically says that life here in the US is in many ways much, much better than it is in Darfur, or in Iraq. Super. The fact that it's significantly worse in many ways than in any other capitalist democracy is irrelevant, I suppose. And it's the media who are responsible for President Bush's low approval ratings, because they constantly harp on negatives instead of "kissing our sorry behinds every day". The low approval ratings have nothing to do with the fact that he's done a shit job at virtually every turn over the last eight years. That's also irrelevant, apparently. And he's a bit out of date in congratulating the president for having "cut taxes tobring an economy out of recession". Because last time I looked... Oh, and in closing, dirty liberals now want to take "God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance. When will they ever learn that more than ever, what this country needs is God! The fools!
Utter nonsense.
That's not a fact, just an opinion.
Bush made mistakes, but blame him for everything ("he's done a shit job at virtually every turn over the last eight years") is just childish. Given the circumstances he had to begin with...not many choices left to him.
I have bothered but I went ahead a looked at that link anyway. It all sounds terrific except for one problem. Who is going to pay for it? How can you lower costs, lower premiums, provide tax credits, increase availability AND cover everyone? And another problem, why would I continue to pay upwards of $500 dollars per month if Joe Six Pack (knew you'd like that) is on Uncle Sams plan? Wouldn't this promote nearly everyone except for the super wealthy to drop their plan? I think it sounds wonderful to say every American should have healthcare, I just don't think it's feasable at this time. Find me a small way to start implementing a plan that happens gradually and I'd give it more of a chance.
On your point about your personal situation, I'm glad things worked out for you, I really am. But things in Europe are not great either (from my understanding which is a bit limited). Long waits for Dr's appointment and lack of needed specalists. This countrys healthcare system is not perfect but it's the best in the world. Look at how many people still come here when possible for medical needs and whatnot.
Honestly I can really only speak to the system in England with any direct knowledge. One of my best friends is from Chiswick and I went and spent some time there a couple years ago with his family. None of his family was too happy with the system. His uncle was seriously and his grandmother had been recently diagnosed with Alzheimers. Neither was getting much attention and from what I picked up in conversation it sounded like every other persons situation in the US.
Without knowing right off the top of my head though I'm going to guess that income taxes in most of those countries are extremely high, no?
I hope you're not serious, we just had to write a fecking check for $850 million we don't have. It's way too fecking easy to stand on moral high ground and say 'let's just get it done'. But at the end of the day the fact remains it costs money.
I reckon subsidizing the cost of gasoline would be far better for the economy, than raising income taxes higher to pay for standardized health care. Also, that will just lead to top doctors being cash only, which the wealthy will pay for, and thus it will be the wealthy who pay the most in taxes footing the bill for the poor to get standardized which wont even be all the good
hey Cali Red...you make some good points...but I believe I can address them all...just not at work or I will be among the unemployment statistic
talk to ya later..
talk to ya later..
Alex...you are a good guy...but you need to really think through what you are saying before you post...
one bit of advice...dont buy into the GOP talking points hook line and sinker....
talk to you later...
one bit of advice...dont buy into the GOP talking points hook line and sinker....
talk to you later...
hey Cali Red...you make some good points...but I believe I can address them all...just not at work or I will be among the unemployment statistic
talk to ya later..
Don't join the unemployed statistics, we can't pay for that either......