Yeah I thought that..
Tyrone Mings stamp on Zlatan | He’s at it again
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You'd be great to have on a jury.
"You can show me all the evidence you like, but unless you are Mr Terrorist you have no way of knowing whether he meant to mow down those 47 people with a machine gun."
Either it's just sticking up for a team-mate, or Mourinho asked him to make a bit of a deal out of it as he knew if he said much himself he'd likely be banned again.
Keown pretty much said he thought it was deliberate
Wow, Never thought I would see anything worse than Ben Thatcher on Pedro Mendes on a football pitch
both should get retrospective bans if the useless FA does something about it.
But I expect the Slime there to only ban Zlatan.
Does not matter. he needed a rest anyways.
But I expect the Slime there to only ban Zlatan.
Does not matter. he needed a rest anyways.
Zlatan is no angel but even Joey Barton doesn't deserve that stamping.
I have watched the clip numerous times now from all the angles provided and I cannot see anything other than a deliberate head stamp.
Forget the elbow. That was bad, but that head stamp was barbaric.
I have watched the clip numerous times now from all the angles provided and I cannot see anything other than a deliberate head stamp.
Forget the elbow. That was bad, but that head stamp was barbaric.
I got mine in Primark.
I agree, but oddly, most articles I read focus massively on the elbow, and not so much on the stamp. Most Tweets I've read bang on about how Zatan should have been sent off, nowhere near as many mentions as Mings also getting sent off.
If Zlatan did the stamp, and Mings did the elbow, would all the articles and tweets be focusing mostly on the elbow?
I doubt it.
He did. It was the reason he fell in the first place.
Mings stamp was malicious and very nasty.He should have the book thrown at him for that and a minimum 6 match ban.
Zlatan shouldn't have retaliated but I can fully understand why he did......3 match ban for him,I'm afraid.
Zlatan shouldn't have retaliated but I can fully understand why he did......3 match ban for him,I'm afraid.
The intent of Zlatan's failed stamp is more debatable than the intent of Mings' stamp. Regardless, one missed, and the other landed on another players head. Incomparable.
Both should have gone anyway, and probably will be banned retrospectively. Mings' stamp was still infinitely worse than Zlatan's elbow.
Regardless of whether it was intentional (I personally don't think it was), jumping the way Mings did is as reckless as a two footed challenge, so I expect a retrospective action for that. The elbow from Zlatan is also a red for me, both missed by the referee. 3 games for each sounds about right.
People talking about banning Mings for a lot of games, I think this incident will be viewed in relation to previous history, has he done anything similar before? If the answer was yes he might get a lengthy ban, but in itself the benefit of the doubt will probably be taken into consideration here.
Just my personal view.
People talking about banning Mings for a lot of games, I think this incident will be viewed in relation to previous history, has he done anything similar before? If the answer was yes he might get a lengthy ban, but in itself the benefit of the doubt will probably be taken into consideration here.
Just my personal view.
how often do you see someone stamp on the oppositions head?
Not very often in fact I'm not sure I've ever seen an accident, certainly so few I can't remember.
Not sure what most of your post was going on about
Can't believe I'm reading some don't think it was intentional 
Both Mings and Zlatan will be banned for 3 games.
Genuinely, how convinced are you of his intent?
Nah, if they decide Mings is guilty of stamping deliberately on a players head he'll get much more than 3 games.
Reckless challenges are punished even if they are not delibertate. But you are right that it may be difficult to come up with a decision in this situation. If they decide that the stamp wasn't deliberate (I'm on the fence about it), then chances are he won't be banned.
It's the angle where you see Mings grit his teeth moments before he makes contact with Zlatan that sickens me. It's clearly intentional from that view.
the only thing I can wonder about is that he doesn't make a better job of landing more on Z's head
So, I reckon he's going for the pony tail & that this explains the 'lesser' amount of head contact that there is
the looking & the motion = total intent though, for what he does
I mean... to turn the question around... he's not intending (or trying) to miss him is he?
Which games could Zlatan miss?
Former Premier League referee Graham Poll has told the Mail he feels sure Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Tyrone Mings will get three-match bans when the FA review footage of the game yesterday.
If Ibrahimovic is banned, he would likely miss games against Chelsea away, Middlesbrough away and West Brom at home.
Ibrahimovic and Mings who are facing three-match bans once replays are reviewed. The unsavoury incident will need to be resolved by the FA disciplinary review panel There is no doubt in my mind that both cowardly acts were totally deliberate and it would be amazing if my former colleagues on the review panel, Alan Wiley and Steve Dunn, don’t see the same when reviewing the incidents.
Former Premier League referee Graham Poll has told the Mail he feels sure Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Tyrone Mings will get three-match bans when the FA review footage of the game yesterday.
If Ibrahimovic is banned, he would likely miss games against Chelsea away, Middlesbrough away and West Brom at home.
Ibrahimovic and Mings who are facing three-match bans once replays are reviewed. The unsavoury incident will need to be resolved by the FA disciplinary review panel There is no doubt in my mind that both cowardly acts were totally deliberate and it would be amazing if my former colleagues on the review panel, Alan Wiley and Steve Dunn, don’t see the same when reviewing the incidents.
This, if he wanted to leap over him, he could have done so easily. You can see he puts his foot down with added force once he is over his head.
Motd pundits can feck off.
They're acting as if this sort of thing happens every week, yet this is the first time I've ever seen someone stamp on someone's head like that. You know why? Because it's quite easy to avoid stamping on people's head.
They're acting as if this sort of thing happens every week, yet this is the first time I've ever seen someone stamp on someone's head like that. You know why? Because it's quite easy to avoid stamping on people's head.
Henry and Carragher both assessed it honestly I thought, Keown and Murphy WTF - he looks down at Zlatan and stamps hard on him, if you are hurdling an obstacle you don't bring your leading foot down hard on what you hurdling, you try and clear it. He shortens his stride to ensure he hits Zlatan, rather than taking a long stride to clear him. Lucky he didn't do him some serious damage. Only Mings knows, but I think from the TV pictures it was deliberate, as was Zlatan's elbow. Again, he could have hurt Mings, and it's easily understandable why he did it, but he will still be punished, and you can't really argue with that, unfortunately.
There's passion and then there's people making themselves out to be idiots on here. 'Life ban' 'criminal proceedings' 'worst thing I've ever seen on a football pitch' - embarrassing comments. Use your brains here.
It is ridiculous to assume that Mings intentionally stamps on him - as in him thinking 'oh yes his head is right there, let me stud him right in the temple'. Mings is completely at fault, but it's more of him not giving a shit if he lands on Ibrahimovic or not, than him intentionally lining up a head stomp.
Intentionally stamps on his *head* now? Intentionally doesn't avoid landing on Ibra? Definitely. He knew he was there, did he care if he landed on him, no. Did he pre-meditate a head stomp? Of course not.
It is ridiculous to assume that Mings intentionally stamps on him - as in him thinking 'oh yes his head is right there, let me stud him right in the temple'. Mings is completely at fault, but it's more of him not giving a shit if he lands on Ibrahimovic or not, than him intentionally lining up a head stomp.
Intentionally stamps on his *head* now? Intentionally doesn't avoid landing on Ibra? Definitely. He knew he was there, did he care if he landed on him, no. Did he pre-meditate a head stomp? Of course not.
This is fecking nonsense, if he doesn't try and avoid it, then he's intentionally doing it. We're talking about landing on someone's head for fecks sake, it's one of the worse things you can do because you can genuinely kill someone.
It really isn't.
No, I said intentionally on his head. He goes to jump over him but it's more of a 'you've been a cnut all game and because I'm a cnut too if I land on you, I land on you, tough shit'
He doesn't intentionally aim to stamp on his head, that's a ridiculous notion. He just doesn't work hard/work at all to avoid landing on him.
One is the work of a genuine psychopath, the other just a total cnut. Mings is the latter.
You've almost described intentionally stamping on someone there. Fwiw, he didnt just not try to avoid hitting Zlatan's head, he actively goes ahead and does it.
Disagree completely. There's a difference between not caring if you land on someone and intentially planting your foot onto someone's skull having planned it all out beforehand.
Don't get me wrong, Mings is a cnut and that was extremely reckless, I just disagree that it was the work of some psychopathic pre-meditated assault. He just didn't give a shit if he landed on him or not - which is still very bad, but also very different.
The blokes on Sunday Supplement on Sky seem to think Zlatan will get a 3 game ban but that Mings is harder to prove intent so might get off.
If it was up to me, Zlatan would get 3 and Mings at least 6. I reckon they'll actually both get 3.
If it was up to me, Zlatan would get 3 and Mings at least 6. I reckon they'll actually both get 3.
Surely that shows intent? recklessness isn't an excuse, it's an admission of guilt.
He may not have started with the intention of stamping on Ibra but if I that split second he decided not to try and avoid dropping his boot someone's head, he's guilty, clearly.
I think @Waldner is trying to suggest that Mings is so annoyed that he is taking the ''why should I try & miss you?'' option on the basis that Tyrone doesn't land fully on the face with massive force - I can very very very very slightly see his point but it's a thin one from the ''he has to put his foot somewhere'' perspective
Does the actual speed one appear any less incriminating than the slo-mo for anyone - that's not an uncommon thing - where the slo-mo makes it appear worse than it actually is.
Does the actual speed one appear any less incriminating than the slo-mo for anyone - that's not an uncommon thing - where the slo-mo makes it appear worse than it actually is.
Harder to prove intent?! He was looking at him on the ground all the way through and thrusted his foot into him in a forceful and entirely unnatural manner. How fecking myopic can some people be?
That's exactly what I think - the defence of Mings is an easier story to run - pretending it might be an accident & the ''you can't really tell'' waffle.
Danny Murphy is an ''I know my Scouse constituency'' gold plated bellend that's the other conclusion to be gotten from this.
But when they consider that he had motive and they look at his lack of remorse, I think they'll have no choice but to ban him.
Putting my tin-foil hat on at the moment, if it was Diego Costa who had stamped on Zlatan there would have been a national outrage and it would have been commented on by the Prime Minister, Donald Trump and the Pope.