Tyrone Mings stamp on Zlatan | He’s at it again

SirScholes said:
how often do you see someone stamp on the oppositions head?
Not very often in fact I'm not sure I've ever seen an accident, certainly so few I can't remember.
Not sure what most of your post was going on about
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I wasn't arguing with your point, quite the opposite. What I meant was that if you were looking for one group of people that would know exactly what they're dooing with their legs it would be professional football players. Had it been accidental Mings would have stopped or checked out moments later if everything was alright with Zlatan and most probably apologize to him. None of it have happened which does incriminate this odious little cnut.
 
duffer said:
Putting my tin-foil hat on at the moment, if it was Diego Costa who had stamped on Zlatan there would have been a national outrage and it would have been commented on by the Prime Minister, Donald Trump and the Pope.
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Agreed but that seems to be the case for all the bigger teams. Any incident is scrutinised whereas the smaller teams generate less interest so the discussion tends to be limited.
 
A good analogy is reckless driving. There's a difference between actively accelerating at and running someone over and driving extremely recklessly without caring if anyone gets hurt if they might get in the way. In my opinion Mings' offence was the latter.
 
It’s like you drive your car with normal speed nearing to the zebra’s where you see an old lady crossing the road, however you do not hit the brakes, so you bump into her breaking her pelvis. You’re totally at fault.
 
Vashu said:
It’s like you drive your car with normal speed nearing to the zebra’s where you see an old lady crossing the road, however you do not hit the brakes, so you bump into her breaking her pelvis. You’re totally at fault.
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Depends how slow the old woman is and how much of a rush I am in.
 
duffer said:
Depends how slow the old woman is and how much of a rush I am in.
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Typical for the profile, she doesn't run marathons, while the driver isn't overspeeding. Both are cases for forensic psychiatrist.
 
duffer said:
Putting my tin-foil hat on at the moment, if it was Diego Costa who had stamped on Zlatan there would have been a national outrage and it would have been commented on by the Prime Minister, Donald Trump and the Pope.
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Not really tin hat stuff. If it had been Bradford v Peterborough it wouldn't even make a ripple. This is a biggish story because it's United, the PL and Zlatan.
 
OL29 said:
Surely that shows intent? recklessness isn't an excuse, it's an admission of guilt.

He may not have started with the intention of stamping on Ibra but if I that split second he decided not to try and avoid dropping his boot someone's head, he's guilty, clearly.
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I think, in legal terms, what Mings did could quite easily be described as "reckless endangerment", I know he didn't kill or maim anyone but he could have done some serious damage to Ibrahimovic. It's worth pointing out the Mings could have had some damage himself from Zlatan's elbow. Both are guilty, Zlatan's elbow was an act of revenge, you can't condone it, but as Henry and Carragher both said, they would have done the same, or something similar, but it's still not right, so he will have to accept some form of punishment.
 
hellohello said:
Regardless of whether it was intentional (I personally don't think it was), jumping the way Mings did is as reckless as a two footed challenge, so I expect a retrospective action for that. The elbow from Zlatan is also a red for me, both missed by the referee. 3 games for each sounds about right.

People talking about banning Mings for a lot of games, I think this incident will be viewed in relation to previous history, has he done anything similar before? If the answer was yes he might get a lengthy ban, but in itself the benefit of the doubt will probably be taken into consideration here.

Just my personal view.
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I agree with this, if he really wanted to connect he did a bad job of it as it only clipped the side of his head, both should very 3 game bans for me
 
Vashu said:
I wasn't arguing with your point, quite the opposite. What I meant was that if you were looking for one group of people that would know exactly what they're dooing with their legs it would be professional football players. Had it been accidental Mings would have stopped or checked out moments later if everything was alright with Zlatan and most probably apologize to him. None of it have happened which does incriminate this odious little cnut.
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sorry mate I didn't get the direction it was going in but tbf I was half asleep when I read it ha sorry again
 
Thunderhead said:
I agree with this, if he really wanted to connect he did a bad job of it as it only clipped the side of his head, both should very 3 game bans for me
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I don't understand, are you saying the stamp wasn't intentional, or just that he didn't really go for it and stamp Zlatan's head as hard as he could into the turf? If the former then you're mental, if the latter then I would agree. Doesn't mean that stamping on an opponent's head intentionally is OK just because he didn't put his full force into it though. Reckless, intention to hurt, he could have no complaints if he got more than a 3 game ban.
 
Mings should be banned for spending about 15 minutes acting like he'd been snipered the play acting cnut...
 
Skrtkel got banned for stamping on De Gea and so Mings definitely should. This was much more savage and to the head, it's despicable. He failed to change his stride despite having plenty of time knowing a player was on the ground and then he failed to check what he had stamped on. He can deny it and people can question the intent but there really is no doubt here.
 
TwoSheds said:
I don't understand, are you saying the stamp wasn't intentional, or just that he didn't really go for it and stamp Zlatan's head as hard as he could into the turf? If the former then you're mental, if the latter then I would agree. Doesn't mean that stamping on an opponent's head intentionally is OK just because he didn't put his full force into it though. Reckless, intention to hurt, he could have no complaints if he got more than a 3 game ban.
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Wasnt intentional, I think he slightly slips before jumping too which doesn't help things.

What I was saying (badly) is that if he really went to do him he did a terrible job of it
 
duffer said:
Putting my tin-foil hat on at the moment, if it was Diego Costa who had stamped on Zlatan there would have been a national outrage and it would have been commented on by the Prime Minister, Donald Trump and the Pope.
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I can't believe that I'm agreeing with Duffer twice in 24 hours, but he's got a point. If Costa had stamped on someone's head, the newspapers would make it front page for the next 2 weeks.
 
I think we've handled this whole situation terribly. Rooney must have known he'd get caught out talking sh!te when he lied about seeing the stamp. Now Zlatan saying Ming's jumped into his elbow.
 
Thunderhead said:
Wasnt intentional, I think he slightly slips before jumping too which doesn't help things.

What I was saying (badly) is that if he really went to do him he did a terrible job of it
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He doesn't slip though, both his legs are planted.

Again, when you go to jump over someone you don't, i repeat DON'T land with your leg beneath you. It lands in front of you. Its literally how you jump over someone.
 
All the papers focusing on Zlatan elbow but nothing on Mings stamp.
 
He looks up sees Ibra has every opportunity to avoid him but no he has other intentions and them other intentions are to stamp on someone's head.
Nasty!!! He should be done for intent to harm another person and that's what the FA should see and do.
 
Mings meant to do it. He didn't say sorry to Zlatan for what he did, right? So of course he knew what he was doing there.

And the reason they don't focus as much on Mings is that who the feck is Mings?!
 
Got into a debate with a Bournemouth fan on Twitter who is adamant that it wasn't deliberate and thinks Ibrahimović should have received two yellow cards before the incident (shove on Mings and arguing about the penalty).
 
I was taken aback this morning when I looked at the back covers of the gutter press that gave Zlatan's elbow prominence over Mings cowardly stamp on his head. Demanding a 3 match ban for him but no mention in the headlines of Bournemouth players horrendous crime.
 
ZAGREB RED said:
I think, in legal terms, what Mings did could quite easily be described as "reckless endangerment", I know he didn't kill or maim anyone but he could have done some serious damage to Ibrahimovic. It's worth pointing out the Mings could have had some damage himself from Zlatan's elbow. Both are guilty, Zlatan's elbow was an act of revenge, you can't condone it, but as Henry and Carragher both said, they would have done the same, or something similar, but it's still not right, so he will have to accept some form of punishment.
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Yeah I agree with everything said here.
 
Waldner said:
No, I said intentionally on his head. He goes to jump over him but it's more of a 'you've been a cnut all game and because I'm a cnut too if I land on you, I land on you, tough shit'

He doesn't intentionally aim to stamp on his head, that's a ridiculous notion. He just doesn't work hard/work at all to avoid landing on him.

One is the work of a genuine psychopath, the other just a total cnut. Mings is the latter.
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Did it occur to you that the reason he didn't work hard to avoid landing on him is because he wanted to make contact with his head? Nice try though.
 
"look, officer, I didn't intentionally stab the guy, I just didn't move my knife out of the way of his torso, surely you can sympathize with me here?"
 
"Break into the house? Not a chance! Going through the house was simply the quickest route to where i had to go... and its not my fault the windows got in the way of me swinging this hammer"
 
Irritating to hear hacks and pundits in the media trying to make excuses for Mings - I wonder if they'd be doing the same if roles had been reversed; i.e. if Zlatan had stamped on Mings and Mings then got him back with that type of elbow - would the likes of Murphy and the English hacks be so chariatable to the foreign United player?
 
edit - some (weak) excuses for Mings

I did get the idea that Mings was a little bit sheepish in his interview when he said something about ''what happens on the park should stay on the park'' and he did seem like quite a decent guy, amazingly. And he didn't whinge about getting elbowed in the mush very much either.

I would also accept that he was sorely provoked by Ibrahimovich throwing him about & stuff. And he can hardly stand there & tell the truth can he?

Maybe a quiet 3 games apiece is the best way forward or they both get let off even, that would be good for Utd wouldn't it?

Not quite sure how the referee justifies either not seeing all this or seeing it & doing nothing though.
 
Antisocial said:
Irritating to hear hacks and pundits in the media trying to make excuses for Mings - I wonder if they'd be doing the same if roles had been reversed; i.e. if Zlatan had stamped on Mings and Mings then got him back with that type of elbow - would the likes of Murphy and the English hacks be so chariatable to the foreign United player?
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It is all about him being English. He's English, we don't do that sort of thing. Well he is English and he did.
 
Just caught up with MOTD was hoping that they would set the agenda but it looks like the same old story: it's not a story unless United are the villains!

Carragher. of all people, made the one good point in post-match which tells me Mings meant it. He claimed that Mings looked and did it purposely because as a professional defender if he would have really been hoping to land clear the other side of Zlatan he would have expected to feel soft turf under his foot not the Swede's nut! As soon as he landed on something unexpected he'd have turned to apologise and see if the other guy was OK, oppo or not. The telling word in that analysis is "unexpected" – if it was expected he must therefore have intended it!
 
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I was taken aback this morning when I looked at the back covers of the gutter press that gave Zlatan's elbow prominence over Mings cowardly stamp on his head. Demanding a 3 match ban for him but no mention in the headlines of Bournemouth players horrendous crime.
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Which papers? Name and shame them as they don't come much more gutter press than The Scum and they have the headline "Thugs" with Ibra elbow and Ming's stamp both mentioned in the sub headline. They also clearly show pictures of both incidents and mention both players face bans.

I think our Press officer or whoever put Rooney up to telling lies in his post match interview really f*cked up. If the intention was to distract away from Ibra's actions and onto Ming's then it backfired spectacularly.
 
Thunderhead said:
Wasnt intentional, I think he slightly slips before jumping too which doesn't help things.

What I was saying (badly) is that if he really went to do him he did a terrible job of it
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You're first part of the post is incredibly wrong. Blatantly intentional, I don't even know how you could think otherwise if you've seen the replay.

Agree with you on the second part though more or less, he wasn't trying to kill him or anything, just wanted to stamp on his head. Which is still a cnut's trick whatever way you look at it.
 
peridigm said:
All the papers focusing on Zlatan elbow but nothing on Mings stamp.
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The media is corrupt, as has been proven on far more serious issues than football over recent years.

And they do it by controlling the narrative, from the top down.

Yesterday, G.Nev, Carra and Henry were all agreed that the talking point was Mings' assault on another player's head - and they all agreed that Mings quite clearly knew what he doing. How could they not? The clip is actually shocking.

By the evening Danny Murphy's smirking on MOTD while insisting that Mings didn't do it on purpose, and by the next day the entire narrative is focused on an elbow foul that you see every week in about 5 games in the PL, and the most anyone is clearly allowed to say about Mings' assault is that 'only he knows'.

You can clearly see that the pundits saying 'only he knows' are actually saying, 'he meant it', but unlike Carra, Henry and G.Nev they aren't talking freely anymore.
 
SaintTresano said:
Did it occur to you that the reason he didn't work hard to avoid landing on him is because he wanted to make contact with his head? Nice try though.
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'Nice try' - you're implying that I'm being purposefully against the grain?

Maybe I just find it ridiculous that someone would purposefully try to stamp on someone's head. Say it over again - you're saying a footballer would purposefully stamp on another players head. That's something a psychopath would do, or a violent drugged up drunk after a night out. Not a professional footballer with millions watching.

I'm not at all condoning Mings - I completely agree that he didn't try to pull out or avoid Ibrahimovic - and feel he needs a strong punishment. But to say he purposefully aimed at his head is too ridiculous, for me personally anyway. He just didn't care if Ibrahimovic was in the way or not - his foot was landing there and if he happened to catch some part of Ibra then so be it.
 
Waldner said:
'Nice try' - you're implying that I'm being purposefully against the grain?

Maybe I just find it ridiculous that someone would purposefully try to stamp on someone's head. Say it over again - you're saying a footballer would purposefully stamp on another players head. That's something a psychopath would do, or a violent drugged up drunk after a night out. Not a professional footballer with millions watching.

I'm not at all condoning Mings - I completely agree that he didn't try to pull out or avoid Ibrahimovic - and feel he needs a strong punishment. But to say he purposefully aimed at his head is too ridiculous, for me personally anyway. He just didn't care if Ibrahimovic was in the way or not - his foot was landing there and if he happened to catch some part of Ibra then so be it.
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It's almost as crazy as saying a player would purposely bite someone. That'd never happen either.
 
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