Mail on sunday journo. Mate of SAF. Fergie uses him to leak stuff he wants leaked
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Mates with fergie. The same fella fergie flipped at after he leaked stories about Sneijder, or some transfer anyways. Google "bob cass leaks fergie" and you see the vid of fergie having a go at him.
Exactly, Ashley Young is not a disgrace. It isn't his fault he plays for us. SAF badly misjudged the impact he would have for us. Now we will have to find a buyer for him.
I posted that in the Rooney thread. Made no difference. Every average Rooney performance will still be followed by the 300k a week nonsense by the usual suspects.
It is interesting that Cass describes Van Gaal as 'no great shakes' as a manager but is fully behind the qualtities of David Moyes! Jesus these British journalists are so blind sided. Van Gaal has taken highly volatile and high pressure postions at Bayern and Barca, they are not jobs that you survive in. Look at Pep at Bayern already! I am quite sure that Van Gaal could sabilise a mid table club with no ambition like Everton for ten years. He took AZ in Holland to the title FFS in four years.
It would be amusing to see David Moyes appointed at Bayern and Barca. He wouldn't last 3 months at either!
It would be amusing to see David Moyes appointed at Bayern and Barca. He wouldn't last 3 months at either!
So Van Gaal is pretty much done deal, glad to see. I'm fairly sure we will see him at OT on Thuesday.
Bob Cass going full retard on twitter.Does Bob still attend press conferences etc? I don't suppose Louis will be inviting him to do so any time soon lol
The knives are out for Van Gaal already. It is a good thing that he only has a two year contract. The press will want to kill him at the first opportunity.
He's actually making quite an interesting point about who is now making the footballing decisions at this football club. It's not even a year since SAF left and it seems to me that everything he built is being torn down and Glazier man Woodward is now in charge of all things football. Most seem to think this is worth celebrating, personally the road this club is about to take terrifies me.
What's being torn down exactly?
So who should be making the decisions then according to you? So far Glazers have listened to SAF by appointing Moyes and then given Moyes a free ride in the transfer market. They even broke our Transfer record in his first few months. They also made a fool of themselves by paying MORE than the release clause for Fellaini because of Dithering Dave.
If anything, it is a good thing that they and Woodward have started to get involved and use their own brains now!
Some idiot wrote Cass:
"Fergie still bitter that his puppet got sacked. Tell your buddy he needs to feck off and give new man a fresh start".
@Mickeza
Fergie's legacy can never be torn down. Ferguson is the past not the future. That is life. People and things move on. Manchester United's core traditions are the promotion of youth from within and playing attacking football. Those traditions existed before Fergie and Van Gaal will carry them on.
That Fergie could install a clone of himself as manager was always pie in the sky and proved to be very costly.
Fergie's legacy can never be torn down. Ferguson is the past not the future. That is life. People and things move on. Manchester United's core traditions are the promotion of youth from within and playing attacking football. Those traditions existed before Fergie and Van Gaal will carry them on.
That Fergie could install a clone of himself as manager was always pie in the sky and proved to be very costly.
Mate I get what you're trying to say. But the thing is, managerial appointments are always a risk. We went for a relatively safe pick last time around presuming that he would enshrine Fergie's legacy - thinking that he could learn the job and adapt, would maintain the status quo, not tamper with the squad or backroom personnel etc But he did the exact opposite and tried to "tear everything down". Given this summer he always planned a massive overhaul of the squad, Sir Alex's trusted lieutenants are long gone, Scholesy and even Giggsy wanted little to do with his coaching staff. I think the period of upheavel is already underway. So why not let an experienced, well regarded hand like Van Gaal oversee it ? We all know he has a propensity for falling out with upper management, Bob Cass is saying nothing enlightening in those tweets. But we also know that the man is an expert at laying foundations for the next manager. 2-3 years of Louis and we'll be set for the next decade. Yet Cass seems vehemently opposed to the man and is taking not so subtle digs at him. And this dismays me and probably a lot of other fans who feel that the mainstream media with not show Van Gaal he same time and patience afforded to the last manager. And Cass' tweets are rubbish of the highest order. United fans will "get what they deserve".. WTF ?
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Jeez, no need to insult SAF! He made a mistake, ppl should get over it!
Thanks for the clarification.
Yeah, Pep is reasonable in his comments and the way he conducts himself however had he started making statements like Louis van Gaal would then it's possibly game over.
Providing we give van Gaal the freedom Ferguson had to implement an authoritarian like approach where he is compared only to objectives and doesn't need to respond to a director of football (and so is the only main man on the football side of things) and also can deal with problematic players as he wishes without fear of consequence, then he really could thrive.
I guess Cass and probably SAF as well, won't be keen on the reasoning behind the Van Gaal appointment. It's completely opposite to the Moyes appointment in almost every way.
He's basically a temporary manager if the 2 year contract is true, whereas Moyes was to keep long term stability at the club.
Van Gaal has his own footballing mentality and is unlikely to adapt this around the 'United way'. I'm sure a lot of fans on here will welcome this, but it's clearly opposite to Moyes' constant references to the United way.
Moyes was a safe pick with the media being a fairly uncharismatic dull fecker. Van Gaal will certainly spice up the press conferences...
Most importantly Van Gaal is not Scottish!
But why did we hand him a massive 5 year contract in the first place 
But why did we hand him a massive 5 year contract in the first place
To secure his value.
Ahh okay.
If your man Louis comes in then with him being so adverse to making signings I'm guessing we'll need a director of football (though it seems Woody is already that with all these deals he's lined up), so the structure changes. It also seems likely Giggs and the others are going to be gone or given very little input so that stuff SAF preached about following the Munich model is over, then there's the way Louis likes to play football, with him being against "risky forward passes", not really what I associate with Manchester United. Add all that to the fact we're about to spend a fortune and supposedly expect the new manager to win the title or face the sack and this club isn't really recognisable any more. The manager isn't the most important person at the club now, Woodward is. Neville isn't a pretentious idiot when he bangs on about identity, it's important, that's what sets special clubs apart, and I fear we're about to lose ours. All this was probably inevitable, I just didn't think it would happen this quickly.
Why in the name of feck are we paying Ashley Young that much?
Wasn't it reported at the time that the club were spreading his signing-on fee across his contract, so that amount was added to his wages rather than paid in the traditional lump-sum when he joined, hence the ridiculously high wage? I'm sure there was something like that mentioned, but might've been the usual tabloid crap.
Van Gaal is going to be seen as a Glazer appointment by the fans and I think the supporters will turn on him if things don't go well. All that unreleased anger from thise season will be unleashed on Van Gaal next season if we don't compete.
I think the two year contract is fair and should have been given to Moyes. Louis van Gaal will get a rolling contract if he is successful, and if he is successful the club have no reason to sack him. He might still have a few years left in him, he could build one last great team if that's what he wants.
It depends on what the United way is. Louis will play attacking football that gets wins, Ferguson's use of Kagawa suggested we were moving toward a different system also to adapt with the times. I wouldn't say David Moyes' brand of football represented the united way.
Alex Ferguson said 'the scotsman abroad doesn't lack humour, David Moyes is not short of wit', I don't think he thought he was dull. I think he would prefer somebody charismatic as opposed to not.
Of course it is unfortunate he isn't Scottish however at this moment the nationality is not the most important characteristic. Also, he is closer toward the threshold for insanity than Moyes, however this is not a bad thing. His unpredictable nature will strike fear not just in the players but also journalists. Ferguson drew the line at manhandling but Louis van Gaal has crossed this line. No wonder Moyes had such backing from the journalists.
Mate sometimes change is not such a bad thing. It's not about being special or morally superior, it's about doing what's best for the club. Citing the Bayern model is not an apt example imo. They became highly flexible over time and adapted to new managers. With Louis there were adamant on playing 2 striker up front but ceded to progress. Now they've made an even bigger change with Guardiola who's even further removed from their typical counter attacking style. Will it be successful ? We'll have to find out. But they did attempt to change with the times. Fact is, no club is pristine with an identity set in stone. Madrid change presidents and managers that bring in new ideologies yet they're still the greatest club in Europe. Barcelona had a different identity to begin with rather than "tiki taka". Their modern style of play is based around one man in Johan Cruyff, who changed them for the better. All major European clubs evolve with the times - Milan, Juventus, Dortmund at various points in the past decade. Those who don't and adhere to a strict doctrine - get left behind in the past - Liverpool, Ajax....
Doubt it
Imagine that, David Moyes takes us to 7th and the fans sing his name.
Louis van Gaal has us fourth and the fans boo.
I'm convinced that this season there was a degree of honouring Fergie's final commandment why it took so long for some sections of our fans to realise Moyes needs to go. van Gaal's appointment isn't anointed by Fergie in the same way so I do think there could be a backlash if we have another poor season but I think it's doubly important that we get all the things in place for him to succeed because he's proven at the top level. A blip will fast turn into a decline if we have another season like this one.
Barca players weekly wages. The figures here is from France football magazime that estimate the weekly wages and the length of contract.
The figures are same as above
I can't find the actual link from France football. This is a link that has taken its info from France football. Bare in mind, clubs don't publish how much their players earn.
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/barcelona-players-salary-list-2014/
I don't care if Naymer and Inieata earn £140k a week, Young should not be in the same bracket at them, let alone the rest of the list.
Please don't quote me, writing about this just makes me feel sick.
The figures are same as above
I can't find the actual link from France football. This is a link that has taken its info from France football. Bare in mind, clubs don't publish how much their players earn.
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/barcelona-players-salary-list-2014/
I don't care if Naymer and Inieata earn £140k a week, Young should not be in the same bracket at them, let alone the rest of the list.
Please don't quote me, writing about this just makes me feel sick.
Maybe the Nani contract thing was in hope it'd artificially drive his price up and it....didn't?
He was going into his last year. I think both player and manager expected him to be played more this year, but the injuries meant that he's hardly played, so while his value may have risen marginally, it won't have been by much due lack of game time.
To be honest, it looks like we're going to get £2-3 million less than we might have got last summer, when he only had a year left on his contract. In this instance, I don't really blame the Club for trying to make it work again with Nani. Whereas I think someone like Anderson should have gone 2-3 years ago, I felt that at least we did get some value from Nani, so I think it was fair enough to give him the chance to try and recapture that form.
That said, I also think now is the right time to sell him.
I don't. If things don't go well at any period next season then Van Gaal/the Glazers will get both barrels. I can almost guarantee it.
Juan Mata is on £130k per week, he is in the same bracket as him!
Last season, the following players were not worthy of earning as much as Ashely Young:
Paul Scholes (60k)
Ryan Giggs (75k)
Patrice Evra (90k)
Rio Ferdinand (100k)
Chris Smalling (50k)
Rafael da Silva (50k)
Jonny Evans (65k)
Michael Carrick (80k)
Antonio Valencia (70k)
Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha (Nani) (90k)
Tom Cleverely (40k)
David De Gea (70k)
Danny Welbeck (75k)
Phil Jones (50k)
Javier Hernandez (75k)
Shinji Kagawa (80k)
I wonder whether the executives at Harvard business school will request Alex Ferguson to discuss his financial assessment of the asset that is Ashely Young. I'm curious as to why he was paid so much considering if he earned less than that, surely he still would have signed for United?
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