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We should be willing to be taken to the cleaners if thats what it takes.
The cost of not making it into the cl again would dwarf any transfer fee.
You say that, but everyone whinges when we pay 27M for Fellani (taken to the cleaners) and then we think or maybe sell the likes of Hernandez for less than half of shane long.

We should attempt to buy the best players agreed, but if players like Mata, Fabregas and Kroos only go for mid 30M, we shouldn't be paying 50M for players probably only at the same level.

United may be desperate for certain positions, but a lot more teams are desperate for funds. We should be using our funds as the strength during discussions and negotiations, not letting other teams use our need for a player as the focal point of negotiation and their position of strength.
 
I'm as frustrated about the lack of quality additions as much as the next man, but this post is a little off the mark I think.

"lost 5 players". Evra - Upgraded through Shaw. Ferdinand - hardly played last year and wouldn't have the pace to play in this system this year. Vidic - Big loss but still time to replace him. Buttner - Rubbish. Rather play Reece James. The others? Bebe, Macheda, etc? Hardly a loss. In fact hopefully the likes of Fellaini, Anderson and possibly Hernandez can be moved on too.

"Only brought in 2" - There's no Europe this year, so we'll have 10-15 games less than usual. Squad doesn't need to be as huge. The two we have brought in both improve our first XI immediately. We have never been lacking squad numbers. So quality over quantity is important. Also worth remembering that we brought Mata in, in January without moving anyone else on.

Moyes has gone and Van Gaal has come in. This is the biggest single strengthening factor of any team in the league. Our squad isn't great but nearly all our players underperformed woefully last season. If Van Gaal gets a 10-20% improvement out of everyone, the difference come May will be huge. We still have several players who are either top class, serial league winners or full of potential.

A lot of our young players are being criminally under rated on here. Two years ago Smalling and Jones was being touted as the future of not only our defence but the England defence too. Neither has had a consistent run of games together. Expect that to change this season. Both have enormous potential and both have already shown in patches that they are top quality defenders. On form Evans is one of the best defenders in the league. Another who is criminally under rated. If it wasn't for injury concerns, I would be very happy to have Jones, Smalling and Evans as our first choice three. All are good on the ball, relatively quick and natural defenders.

Cleverly is one young player who has not developed as I hoped. But Welbeck is a player I have so much time for. His close control, teamwork and pace are top drawer. I think we look a much better team with him in the side. His pace alone changes the dimension of our attack. He's never had a run in his favoured position. For me, this season would see him cement himself as first choice striker partnered with either Rooney or RVP. Wilson as the 4th choice striker.

It's a cliché to say it but I have to say it anyway. Fletcher's return to form is like a new signing. He's not the top tier level we need but he looks so much better with a full pre-season under his belt and has an awful lot to offer. He's just going to get stronger and stronger over the coming months I feel. And one thing we should all know about Darren Fletcher is to never underestimate his fortitude or ability to triumph under pressure. He took more abuse as a young player at United than I have seen before, it was shameful. He went from absolute zero, to cult hero in about 3 seasons.

With the change in formation, we are not going to be reliant on productivity from wide areas to create the bulk of our goals. Which is just as well because our wingers are shite. It's amazing Moyes put so much emphasis and pressure on the weakest area of our squad. So again, we have improved hugely here, potentially anyway, by playing to our strengths.

We are going to be so much more competitive this year than we were last. I see our rivals being very worried about us. Arsenal have done well to sign Sanchez, but running and creativity from deep was never a problem for them. They still haven't addressed their two biggest weaknesses, in CDM and CF. Chelsea have upgraded very well and I see them as clear favourites. Liverpool have CL distractions with a squad that isn't CL experienced. The loss of Suarez only makes them less dangerous. Their other additions could be good, could be bad. They spread the money quite thinly and in some cases speculatively. And Man City have brought in Fernando, who won't start and is only a slightly better version of Garcia and Mangala who was absurdly overpriced and can't get in the France team ahead of Sahko.
This post is too good for the twitter discussion thread. Anything much more than 140 characters is wasted in here!
 
And there was me thinking we actually had a chance with Di Maria. Awful window
 


Bring him on loan with buyout option ! Januzaj and Deulofeu = wing sorted for 10 years. (unless Barcelona kicks up a fuss in the future ofc :rolleyes:)
 
I'm as frustrated about the lack of quality additions as much as the next man, but this post is a little off the mark I think.

"lost 5 players". Evra - Upgraded through Shaw. Ferdinand - hardly played last year and wouldn't have the pace to play in this system this year. Vidic - Big loss but still time to replace him. Buttner - Rubbish. Rather play Reece James. The others? Bebe, Macheda, etc? Hardly a loss. In fact hopefully the likes of Fellaini, Anderson and possibly Hernandez can be moved on too.

"Only brought in 2" - There's no Europe this year, so we'll have 10-15 games less than usual. Squad doesn't need to be as huge. The two we have brought in both improve our first XI immediately. We have never been lacking squad numbers. So quality over quantity is important. Also worth remembering that we brought Mata in, in January without moving anyone else on.

Moyes has gone and Van Gaal has come in. This is the biggest single strengthening factor of any team in the league. Our squad isn't great but nearly all our players underperformed woefully last season. If Van Gaal gets a 10-20% improvement out of everyone, the difference come May will be huge. We still have several players who are either top class, serial league winners or full of potential.

A lot of our young players are being criminally under rated on here. Two years ago Smalling and Jones was being touted as the future of not only our defence but the England defence too. Neither has had a consistent run of games together. Expect that to change this season. Both have enormous potential and both have already shown in patches that they are top quality defenders. On form Evans is one of the best defenders in the league. Another who is criminally under rated. If it wasn't for injury concerns, I would be very happy to have Jones, Smalling and Evans as our first choice three. All are good on the ball, relatively quick and natural defenders.

Cleverly is one young player who has not developed as I hoped. But Welbeck is a player I have so much time for. His close control, teamwork and pace are top drawer. I think we look a much better team with him in the side. His pace alone changes the dimension of our attack. He's never had a run in his favoured position. For me, this season would see him cement himself as first choice striker partnered with either Rooney or RVP. Wilson as the 4th choice striker.

It's a cliché to say it but I have to say it anyway. Fletcher's return to form is like a new signing. He's not the top tier level we need but he looks so much better with a full pre-season under his belt and has an awful lot to offer. He's just going to get stronger and stronger over the coming months I feel. And one thing we should all know about Darren Fletcher is to never underestimate his fortitude or ability to triumph under pressure. He took more abuse as a young player at United than I have seen before, it was shameful. He went from absolute zero, to cult hero in about 3 seasons.

With the change in formation, we are not going to be reliant on productivity from wide areas to create the bulk of our goals. Which is just as well because our wingers are shite. It's amazing Moyes put so much emphasis and pressure on the weakest area of our squad. So again, we have improved hugely here, potentially anyway, by playing to our strengths.

We are going to be so much more competitive this year than we were last. I see our rivals being very worried about us. Arsenal have done well to sign Sanchez, but running and creativity from deep was never a problem for them. They still haven't addressed their two biggest weaknesses, in CDM and CF. Chelsea have upgraded very well and I see them as clear favourites. Liverpool have CL distractions with a squad that isn't CL experienced. The loss of Suarez only makes them less dangerous. Their other additions could be good, could be bad. They spread the money quite thinly and in some cases speculatively. And Man City have brought in Fernando, who won't start and is only a slightly better version of Garcia and Mangala who was absurdly overpriced and can't get in the France team ahead of Sahko.

Terrific post, fella.

I'd recommend every hysterical doomsdayer have a read of it before embarrassing themselves in this thread again.

Patience, people.
 
We're United, we don't need loan players anymore.

Maybe so mate. But we have to be pragmatic and snap up a good piece of business if it comes our way. There's no harm in loaning players in despite being a club massive in stature - eg. Madrid might bring in Falcao with a view of signing him long term. The concept is not beneath us. In saying that of course Deulofeu might not be Falcao level right now but as one of Spain's brightest young talents, there's every chance he could develop into a top player in the near future costing 40 maybe 50 million. If we could snap him now with a built in clause that would represent an astute long term investment.
 


They are getting very close to taking this 4 way bromance too far!
 
Maybe so mate. But we have to be pragmatic and snap up a good piece of business if it comes our way. There's no harm in loaning players in despite being a club massive in stature - eg. Madrid might bring in Falcao with a view of signing him long term. The concept is not beneath us. In saying that of course Deulofeu might not be Falcao level right now but as one of Spain's brightest young talent, there's every chance he could develop into a top player in the near future costing 40 maybe 50 million. If we could snap him now with a built in clause that would represent an astute long term investment.
We don't, please stop being a transfer muppet.
 
We don't, please stop being a transfer muppet.

Hello.... Tevez ?
And... Finding value in the market is being a muppet ? So we should rather wait for their estimations to balloon and overspend by tens of millions in the future. Ok...
 
Hello.... Tevez ?
And... Finding value in the market is being a muppet ? So we should rather wait for their estimations to balloon and overspend by tens of millions in the future. Ok...
Delofeu is not value in the market, and Tevez was part owned by another company.
 
I'm as frustrated about the lack of quality additions as much as the next man, but this post is a little off the mark I think.

"lost 5 players". Evra - Upgraded through Shaw. Ferdinand - hardly played last year and wouldn't have the pace to play in this system this year. Vidic - Big loss but still time to replace him. Buttner - Rubbish. Rather play Reece James. The others? Bebe, Macheda, etc? Hardly a loss. In fact hopefully the likes of Fellaini, Anderson and possibly Hernandez can be moved on too.

"Only brought in 2" - There's no Europe this year, so we'll have 10-15 games less than usual. Squad doesn't need to be as huge. The two we have brought in both improve our first XI immediately. We have never been lacking squad numbers. So quality over quantity is important. Also worth remembering that we brought Mata in, in January without moving anyone else on.

Moyes has gone and Van Gaal has come in. This is the biggest single strengthening factor of any team in the league. Our squad isn't great but nearly all our players underperformed woefully last season. If Van Gaal gets a 10-20% improvement out of everyone, the difference come May will be huge. We still have several players who are either top class, serial league winners or full of potential.

A lot of our young players are being criminally under rated on here. Two years ago Smalling and Jones was being touted as the future of not only our defence but the England defence too. Neither has had a consistent run of games together. Expect that to change this season. Both have enormous potential and both have already shown in patches that they are top quality defenders. On form Evans is one of the best defenders in the league. Another who is criminally under rated. If it wasn't for injury concerns, I would be very happy to have Jones, Smalling and Evans as our first choice three. All are good on the ball, relatively quick and natural defenders.

Cleverly is one young player who has not developed as I hoped. But Welbeck is a player I have so much time for. His close control, teamwork and pace are top drawer. I think we look a much better team with him in the side. His pace alone changes the dimension of our attack. He's never had a run in his favoured position. For me, this season would see him cement himself as first choice striker partnered with either Rooney or RVP. Wilson as the 4th choice striker.

It's a cliché to say it but I have to say it anyway. Fletcher's return to form is like a new signing. He's not the top tier level we need but he looks so much better with a full pre-season under his belt and has an awful lot to offer. He's just going to get stronger and stronger over the coming months I feel. And one thing we should all know about Darren Fletcher is to never underestimate his fortitude or ability to triumph under pressure. He took more abuse as a young player at United than I have seen before, it was shameful. He went from absolute zero, to cult hero in about 3 seasons.

With the change in formation, we are not going to be reliant on productivity from wide areas to create the bulk of our goals. Which is just as well because our wingers are shite. It's amazing Moyes put so much emphasis and pressure on the weakest area of our squad. So again, we have improved hugely here, potentially anyway, by playing to our strengths.

We are going to be so much more competitive this year than we were last. I see our rivals being very worried about us. Arsenal have done well to sign Sanchez, but running and creativity from deep was never a problem for them. They still haven't addressed their two biggest weaknesses, in CDM and CF. Chelsea have upgraded very well and I see them as clear favourites. Liverpool have CL distractions with a squad that isn't CL experienced. The loss of Suarez only makes them less dangerous. Their other additions could be good, could be bad. They spread the money quite thinly and in some cases speculatively. And Man City have brought in Fernando, who won't start and is only a slightly better version of Garcia and Mangala who was absurdly overpriced and can't get in the France team ahead of Sahko.

You stand out like an absolute beacon amongst a shimmering sea of goons. Bravo sir.
 
Starting to really find them utter classless dicks.

Carvalho hasn't made a move despite a host of top clubs being interested in him, no doubt their demands have been outrageous and they act almost impossible to deal with to scare teams off. Eric Diers transfer hasn't been smooth either and now they are blocking Rojo aswell.

How dare they try and keep their players.
 
Yeah that's what has pissed me off. It has been frustrating I'm not going to lie but the attitude on here is madness.

This Summer we've got a new manager who bossed it at the WC, 2 new players and we have also done really well in pre season.

Yet the comments on here are like we are in the serious dark ages, 20 years without a title and 5 years without top 4 having made 0 transfers and stuck with the same old manager we all hate.

They are behaving like that because we all want to compete for the title like how we have been for the past 2 decades. Right now, Chelsea and City squads are much stronger that ours. If 4th place is the target then the transfer window has been satisfactory but if we are aiming for the title (which we should) we need more strengthening in key areas. The frustration stems for the fact that the holes in the squad are obvious even to a 5 year old.
 
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