We all like a bit off transfer gossip, but for our own sanity we should just follow Dutch Telegraaf reports. They were the first to break van gaal's approach etc.. According to telegraaf our transfer targets are strootman/shaw/schwi/hummels. They also reported we have €100 mill transfer budge.
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Could be that De Telagraaf have an inside line to LVG. Worth keeping an eye on alright.
Ok Moyes is/was a spanner but I absolutely hate, HATE this nonsensical myth that has been floated around for years, that Ferguson wasn't a good tactical manager. It's probably because he was old school, or not fancy and foreign enough but the idea he wasn't great tactically is absolute bollocks. Very few managers have ever gotten so much out of so little. He was the master at making a team greater than the sum of it's parts. And the notion that he did this solely through the power of fear or motivation, is another ignorant belief. SAF took united to 4 CL finals in 12 years and the quarters or semis every other year except one. You don't do that by 'not being great tactically'. People pigeon holed him as being a mere motivator and fearless when it came to throwing on attacking subs. But the man reinvented his teams so many times, across multiple eras precisely because he was able to move with the times, understand tactical trends and continue to build championship winning teams.
Some people act as though all the tactical nouse came from his succession of assistants. But he went to 3 CL finals with 3 different AM's. Maclaren, Quieroz and Phelan. I suppose he just let them pick the tactics and then got wheeled out before the game as a Scottish Tony Robbins to give a pre match motivational speech..... I know you didn't say all this but just hearing that statement rubs me up the wrong way.
Just because Fergie didn't talk about systems and zones and lots of technical stuff in public, doesn't mean he didn't understand more about tactics than most top managers could ever dream of. The amount of time SAF put out a team that had us all scratching our heads and fearing the worst, only to get an unexpected win is beyond count. He guided us to a third place finish with a cm pairing of O'shea and an off form Giggs. Not bad for a tactically inept manager.....because contrary to uninformed opinion, he didn't just put out a 4-4-2 and be done with it. As he said many times, United hadn't played 4-4-2 for many, many years. His formations and tactics were far more nuanced than many people ever managed to recognize.
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I'm talking about the 2 last years not his entire career. Ferguson did some mistakes that doesn't mean that he is not a good tactician. Moys is also a good tactician.
Exactly you dont get that far like Fergie if you didnt have tactical nous. What stopped SAF from dominating completely was his inability or disinterest in paying the highest fees or wages going.
You didn't say that though did you? And you don't suddenly become a bad tactician. In his last two years he finished joint first in the PL, only losing on goal difference and won the championship. Eliminated from the CL in the QF's against a heavily stacked Madrid team after getting a score draw in Madrid, and bossing them at OT, only to be robbed by the worst refereeing decision that season. Yep, he really lost it.
All managers make mistakes. It's impossible not to.
David Moyes isn't a good tactician. He's an underdog specialist who thrives in stifling better teams and playing simple, direct football. He does that very well, but he was Ill equipped to play the sort of football United fans would expect. He'll do well again at a team where he can employ his limited vision of football without recrimination.
People now saying they wouldn't be happy if we signed Schweinsteiger and Strootman in January. Are you fecking kidding me?
Come on lads, feed us some tweets - enough off SAF debate. 
The seasons he got beat on goal did by a team that got built by a bottomless pit of money and when he rumped the league with the same set of players that finished 7th the following year??
No i didn't precise whish is a mistake on my behalf.
And Ferguson has never been a bad tactician. He just wasn't in a great period that happens to all the coaches.
Not looking good for Ronnie
They rarely post anything or update anything regarding us. If we would only post Telegraaf as our source, this thread would consist of not even a page.
Agree. It could be argued that Fergie was ahead of his time tactically, on a couple of different instances. We never really played 442 in the 90s. It was a 4411 (Cantona in the hole) or you could argue a 433 in the days of Sharpe and Giggs. Also I'm sure us and Roma were the first to play a 4-6-0 formation. Rooney-Ronaldo-Tevez etc.
Fergie was excellent tactically. Even in his last season he out thought Mourinho only for the Nani sending off the change everything. Basically, you don't stay at the very top for over 30 years if you're average/good tactically. You need to be amoung the best and constantly evolving.
He walked off on his own? Perhaps he was just celebrating a team mate's goal?
When was the last training session where Ronaldo didn't pick up a niggle?
100% agreed. Fan- bloody - tastic post. Sickens my hole when you hear Utd fans in particular talking Fergie's tactical acumen down. You'd swear he was an old codger who sent his teams out on a wing and a prayer like 'Arry does the way some people go on.
They are a bit late. De Gea said this 3 days ago!It's all very lol indeed. It's clear there are some people that will never be happy no matter who we sign or what we win. We can easily manage for half a season with "just " Bastian beside Clev or Carrick. Jesus, it'd be the bext CM pairing we've had since Moscow. Add Strootman in Jan and it'd be the best in the league, or close.
Good post. The man is a football genius and should be recognised as such
Highly doubt anyone knows our budget too be honest. If we are going to play 4-3-3 we need a fast winger and Sanchez fits the bill IMO.
Exactly!
Like most off us I will love to see Sanchez play for us. I think €100 mill is a reasonable budget, if we manage to sell the likes of chicha/Fellaini etc and add that to our budget aswell - enough to buy Sanchez and co
Yup I would love it so much too. Would love seeing United not succeed as a result of it. While we are at it I would love Van Gaal to sell DDG and Rooney as well. Would be so much fun to watch the meltdown and reaction on here.
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The meltdown on here if De Gea was sold, although I think many on this site myself included would love it if Rooney was sold haha
Exactly. Can never understand post like those. Wanting shit things to happen at the club you support to see random people on in the internet have a meltdown. Unbelievable.
Well said .
Well said mate.
Reminds me of that time he put out Rafael and Fabio wide midfield, with O Shea in centre mid (forget the other mid), and we comfortably outplayed an Arsenal team with a much stronger on paper midfield.
How can you forget the almight Gibson?
Excellent post by @simonch.
I just remember the 3 defenders in midfield shock. But yeah with Gibson, even more wow!
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Top rant mate. Well said.
I don't think SAF was the greatest tactician, per se, but he was one of the best around. Coupled with his extraordinary leadership, courage & motivational powers - it made him one of the greatest of all time.
Top rant mate. Well said.
I don't think SAF was the greatest tactician, per se, but he was one of the best around. Coupled with his extraordinary leadership, courage & motivational powers - it made him one of the greatest of all time.
We played 7 defenders that match iirc, crazy as hell and it was probably the best match I've seen from both da Silva brothers, some telepatic shit.
It would though. They're bringing in young players that are going to surpass Schweinsteiger very soon. You tell me who is in a better position.
I only slept for an hour last night. Then produced that rant. I've also been on fire at work today. People are looking at me like an oracle of wisdom and authority. Sleep deprivation has helped me unlock the best version of myself. Maybe it's because I'm less inclined to give a feck about people's sensibilities?
Or maybe I'm actually making a fool of myself and I won't know it until I get a proper night's sleep and come back to the office. Whichever it is, it feels real right now, so I'm gonna live today like my shit don't stink.
Or maybe I'm actually making a fool of myself and I won't know it until I get a proper night's sleep and come back to the office. Whichever it is, it feels real right now, so I'm gonna live today like my shit don't stink.
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