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What gave you that idea?
Carrick won us the league and European double.
Someone should dick slap you for making a stupid observation.
A statistical observation. 83% and 80% is not particularly good and makes a possession based game that much more difficult. I don't play FM so I don't know what their attribute numbers are like, but the real world statistics make me think passing as a combo might be a worry.
If anything, that would be RvP and Ronaldo respectively.
But anyway, my nan would play better than Carrick of last season (13/14), imo he is finished and shouldn't be a starter for us again. Still, he probably had a good pass completion ratio which is what matters right?
What you're failing to take into account is that not every player is the same or needs to be the same.
Herrera and Vidal (in particular) offer things that other midfielders in Europe can't. Things that can have just as much impact on a big game as passing accuracy.
Did Javi Martinez' passing accuracy stop him playing his part in thumping Barcelona off the park?
Did the increased emphasis on passing accuracy from Guardiola make Bayern better in Europe or worse?
On his own.
I've watched bits of them, but not enough to make a definitive judgement. That's why I only said they didn't look the best combo on paper. Are they really that good at passing?
He's evidently a good enough passer, despite not being an FM favourite.
Or, you know, you could watch them play and know that Herrera is a really good footballer with a perfectly good passing range, and Vidal is the best midfielder in the world.
feck what it says on paper, football isn't played on paper. Go watch them play.
The first reply that actually eases my fears. The problem is that we'll occasionally need to keep the ball as well. Are the two of them good enough to do that for 90 minutes or is their pass selection more akin to Giggsy in his older days?
Have you taken playing styles of the teams into the equation, and the roles the players have within them? Or are you literally just looking at the numbers with no context whatsoever?
Have a look at our possession stats from last season - the numbers suggest we were a great passing side. Were we?
Gerrard and Lampard were amongst the best midfielders in the world at one point, but keeping the midfield passing ticking over was never their strong suit. That's why they shit for England even though people who actually watched them play thought they'd be good enough in combo.
I've never said either of Vidal or Ander would be shit. But would they work in combo? It looks iffy on paper. Can either control the possession like they'd be asked to in Europe?
No and yes. I want a discussion, you spackers. I literally know next to nothing about them.
Have you ever watched either of them play?
Christ, talk about exaggerating. Does what happened the season before last get completely disregarded because of a poor year in which the entire squad played like garbage?
You didn't present the information in that manner, though. It came across as intentionally and overly cynical.
To be fair, statistics out of context are pretty fecking annoying to read.
Priorities. CM for me is more important than a winger. I also think that Vidal has less suitors and thus easier to get, so if we can get him first, then it could draw in Sanchez. It'd be difficult to turn down the chance to play at United with one of your best mates having joined in the same summer.
Keeping the ball is down to the whole team, not just the two midfielders, as much as they're crucial.
No Herrera isn't as consistently accurate with his passing as Thiago, Koke or Busquets, but he's still very Spanish in his thinking and movement, and very capable of playing intricate stuff in tight areas, as well as spreading the ball about. He played his part in Bilbao running rings around us in the Europa League. He's a player who's willing to give it away every now and then by trying to do something a bit different (which he can pull off).
Vidal isn't a pass master. But we'd have enough to dominate the ball in the vast majority of league games. And for those when we can't (which will have to happen at some point) they'd both offer the energy to win the majority of 50-50s as well as the ability to move forward with the ball at pace. It wouldn't be a case of we don't have the ball as much as we're used to, so we'll just chase shadows. They'd put their other qualities to good use.
I'd much rather that than having a set of players who are great at passing accurately, but when they come up against someone who does it better, they don't know what else to do.
I could imagine us dominating the majority of our games and keeping the ball well with those two. And in the games when we can't, still having lots of other things to bring to the table.
They'd be extremely balanced. I could see us dominating the ball against City with those two, for example.
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We're spackers, when you're making dopey observations based on what it says on whopassed.com, instead of watching the players play football.
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Suarez announcement immenent?.
Cynical because Vidal in particular seems to be flavour of the month. Judging by the Chile games, he's too attacking to play behind someone Mata.
I wanted someone to rest my mind at ease with context. Instead I got posts about Leon Britton.
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If you know nothing about them then why would you say it doesn't look the best combo for a club with champions league inspirations.
Which is stupid in itself. Because I guarantee we'd achieve champions league and even challenge for the league with them two in midfield.
Which is stupid in itself. Because I guarantee we'd achieve champions league and even challenge for the league with them two in midfield.
Flavour of the month are you insane? Vidals been one of the worlds best all round CM's for the last few years and would instantly become our best midfielder by a distance.
Sounds like they're both risk takers.
I'm guessing we wouldn't be able to go toe-to-toe with any of the tiki-taka masters, which is a worry because we don't have a lot of pace for counter-attacking. Unless we buy someone like Sanchez or LvG can work his magic on Welbeck.
Vidal has been the best midfielder around for a while now, is a complete all rounder and can attack, defend and pass perfectly well. If we signed him he'd be superb in a two along with Herrera who is also very well rounded, and both are defensively sound enough to play behind someone more attack minded, like Mata.
And their passing is more than good enough to "win the passing".
Herrera will be superb for us, and Vidal, if he were to come, would take us to a whole new level completely, all by himself.
The stats, man. The stats!!!
Vidals just more direct, as is Herrera. Both have# lower passing percentages than Clev and Carrick but both Herrera and Vidal have more Key Passes than all 3 of Clev + Carrick + Fellaini combined. Gone will be the days of Zombie passing.
Herrera - 54
Vidal - 47
Clev + Carrick + Fellaini - 43
What's also important is Herrera and Vidals tackle numbers
Vidal - 130
Herrera - 103
Carrick - 61
Cleverley - 48
Fellaini - 44
However, if you look at Interceptions:
Carrick - 80
Vidal - 39
Cleverley - 34
Herrera - 33
Fellaini - 31
So basically, if the plan is to team Herrera and Vidal together, we'd have a quick, direct, tackling machine. They'd also both have a goal threat which is something we've been missing for ages. I'm all in favour of it.
Adding to this is their Dispossessed stats:
Herrera - 56
Vidal - 44
Fellaini - 23
Cleverley - 19
Carrick - 14
They'd be dynamite together. I can see them hunting down the opposition in midfield and totally bossing it.
Herrera - 54
Vidal - 47
Clev + Carrick + Fellaini - 43
What's also important is Herrera and Vidals tackle numbers
Vidal - 130
Herrera - 103
Carrick - 61
Cleverley - 48
Fellaini - 44
However, if you look at Interceptions:
Carrick - 80
Vidal - 39
Cleverley - 34
Herrera - 33
Fellaini - 31
So basically, if the plan is to team Herrera and Vidal together, we'd have a quick, direct, tackling machine. They'd also both have a goal threat which is something we've been missing for ages. I'm all in favour of it.
Adding to this is their Dispossessed stats:
Herrera - 56
Vidal - 44
Fellaini - 23
Cleverley - 19
Carrick - 14
They'd be dynamite together. I can see them hunting down the opposition in midfield and totally bossing it.
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Unless you use stats then I don't believe you! Watching football is so outdated, it's all about the stats now!
Without context, stats are meaningless
Not that we're going to get Vidal or anything but it amazes me that people are complaining about the possibility. He's the best midfielder in the world... madness.
Well, yeah, they are.Without context, stats are meaningless
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But...his name is Dante.....sigh
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