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[Silverman]

If it were to happen, it would obviously be because Strootman himself wants the move - because of his relationship with Van Gaal. Roma would have a difficult time keeping him if he asks to leave.

I agree. If Strootman wants the move then there isn't a lot Roma can do to keep him happy.

 

[FromTheBench]

Would you prefer...

A. Di Maria and bargain CM
Or
B. Vidal and bargain winger?

B for me.

Vidal for me is different level as a CM to Di Maria as a winger (Whose best season has come central as well) even plus a bigger upgrade obviously. He isn't a ideal partner for Herrera but in a 3-5-2 it could work pretty well.

And though Strootman is pretty good and a better fit with Herrera he is a even bigger injury risk at the moment. (ACL injury can take out a lot and take time to get back at times) plus Vidal is on a different level to him as a Overall player anyway.

 

[Macabre Wolf]

If it were to happen, it would obviously be because Strootman himself wants the move - because of his relationship with Van Gaal. Roma would have a difficult time keeping him if he asks to leave.

Hopefully because otherwise Roma are going to be asking silly money for him as we will have wasted this window to bring in a midfielder just to wait for his recovery, seems a dangerous game to play.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I'll go for Di Maria. Haven't actually seen that much of Vidal to be so sure of him being brilliant for us. The. There's the knee issue and he's older.

 

[Moonred]

Strootman has had an worse injury than vidal, and January will not give enough time to judge his recovery. The same concerns that people have about Vidal will appear again. On top of that Roma will price him really high.

 

[SirAF]

Would you prefer...

A. Di Maria and bargain CM
Or
B. Vidal and bargain winger?

B. BUT, I'm very vary about Vidal's knee..

 

[Raoul]

Hopefully because otherwise Roma are going to be asking silly money for him as we will have wasted this window to bring in a midfielder just to wait for his recovery, seems a dangerous game to play.

Strootman to United is written in the stars imo. Not if, but when.

 

[bosnian_red]

Yeah because Strootman is soooo sure, I'm sure Roma will just let him go easily too especially in the middle of the season. Makes sense.

Strootman isn't a key player for Roma really so that's why. I mean he's a very good player and had a really good season, but Pjanic, de Rossi, benatia, totti all are more important for them. They also have Nainggolan and Keita for back ups to strootman if they need it.

 

[FromTheBench]

Probably more realistic than Vidal given Van Gaal's connection with Strootman.

Not sure he'd have recovered fully from his ACL by January as in back to 100% form plus if Roma are still in CL and making a real run at the Serie A title they won't wanna sell for obvious reasons and he might not wanna leave till the summer.

Remember Herrera for example saying last summer when our move fell through that he won't leave in January as to finish something he started first.

We'd have to pay a King's ransom anyway to get him in January unless Roma think he is expendable for some reason already.

 

[RDCR07]

Strootman's is a one off in jury. Vidal's sound to be persistent injuries. I did say we need a CDM too so we won't be left with just Fletcher and Cleverley.

Vidal's injury is persistent? Where did you get that from? This is his injury record:
Season 13/14:
Knee Injury: May 7 - June 7
Hamstring Injury: Nov 10 - Nov 18

Season 12/13:
Nov 28 - Dec 1

Season 11/12:
Muscular injury: Oct 19 - Oct 24

Season 08/09:
Concussion: Mar 9 - Apr 6

Season 07/08:
Torn Ligament: Nov 27 - Jan 8

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arturo-vidal/verletzungen/spieler/37666

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Past injury record doesn't matter. If you are a United player you are injury prone.

 

[Raoul]

Not sure he'd have recovered fully from his ACL by then as in back to 100% form plus if Roma are still in CL and making a real run at the Serie A title they won't wanna sell and he might not wanna leave till the summer.

Remember Herrera for example saying last summer when our move fell through that he won't leave in January as to finish something he started first.

Yeah anythings possible. A lot will depend on his injury recovery. He's apparently well ahead of schedule in that regard.

 

[bosnian_red]

Strootman has had an worse injury than vidal, and January will not give enough time to judge his recovery. The same concerns that people have about Vidal will appear again. On top of that Roma will price him really high.

Not really. Most people recover from acl injuries without any problem and the fixed knee often tends to become stronger then it was before if properly recovered. Meniscus injuries can be a simple procedure but if they don't recover properly or they rush back too quickly, it can give future problems.

 

[Infra-red]

Would you prefer...

A. Di Maria and bargain CM
Or
B. Vidal and bargain winger?

A.

Agree with those who've said De Jong or similar actually makes a lot of sense at this point.

 

[Silverman]

Vidal's injury is persistent? Where did you get that from? This is his injury record:
Season 13/14:
Knee Injury: May 7 - June 7
Hamstring Injury: Nov 10 - Nov 18

Season 12/13:
Nov 28 - Dec 1

Season 11/12:
Muscular injury: Oct 19 - Oct 24

Season 08/09:
Concussion: Mar 9 - Apr 6

Season 07/08:
Torn Ligament: Nov 27 - Jan 8

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/arturo-vidal/verletzungen/spieler/37666

I said it sounds to be persistent as I didn't know his injury record. I did say in my original post that IF Vidal's injury was as bad as everyone said we would be better of with Strootman so maybe they are not. My brother has actually done a worse injury then what Strootman did playing Gaelic Football. He tore his cruciate ligament, his medial ligament, ruptured his meniscus, and dislocated his knee and knee cap. He is out of football for around seven months but he is recovering and getting stronger and the surgeons even said people come back stronger from those injuries.

 

[Lennon7]

Would you prefer...

A. Di Maria and bargain CM
Or
B. Vidal and bargain winger?

Depends who the bargain players are, but probably B

 

[RDCR07]

Did we actually think signing Herrera was going to fix our midfield problems? If we had signed Kroos ahead of Herrera, our problems would still exist. I can't believe we have gone two summers without fixing this problem. This "no value" or "hard to sign players" is bullshit. When other teams are signing players, why can't we?

 

[FromTheBench]

Not really. Most people recover from acl injuries without any problem and the fixed knee often tends to become stronger then it was before if properly recovered. Meniscus injuries can be a simple procedure but if they don't recover properly or they rush back too quickly, it can give future problems.

I don't know the technical details but Vidal doesn't really have a history of persistent knee injuries and i seem to remember another player who transferred recently mentioned having a similar problem. (Forgotten his name Though treatment is issue here.)

As for ACL it varies from player to player and type of injury as well. Not lookning far Will Keane for example hasn't been the same player till now after a ACL.

 

[Silverman]

I don't know the technical details but Vidal doesn't really have a history of persistent knee injuries and i seem to remember another player who transferred recently mentioned having a similar problem. (Forgotten his name Though treatment is issue here.)

As for ACL it varies from player to player and type of injury as well. Not lookning far Will Keane for example hasn't been the same player till now after a ACL.

If people work hard in their rehab (which professional footballers should) then they are expected to come back stronger than before.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Did we actually think signing Herrera was going to fix our midfield problems? If we had signed Kroos ahead of Herrera, our problems would still exist. I can't believe we have gone two summers without fixing this problem. This "no value" or "hard to sign players" is bullshit. When other teams are signing players, why can't we?

We're too reluctant for some reason. In every other position we sign players with a regularity but in this one position there has been inactivity. Now, just one simply can't make up for that inactivity.

 

[Jev]

Some people seem to be missing that Di Maria just had the best season of his career while playing in midfield.

 

[Silverman]

Did we actually think signing Herrera was going to fix our midfield problems? If we had signed Kroos ahead of Herrera, our problems would still exist. I can't believe we have gone two summers without fixing this problem. This "no value" or "hard to sign players" is bullshit. When other teams are signing players, why can't we?

I agree. Herrera, Kroos etc are creative midfielders and won't provide the steel we need. We need some steel in the centre of midfield.

 

[bosnian_red]

I don't know the technical details but Vidal doesn't really have a history of persistent knee injuries and i seem to remember another player who transferred recently mentioned having a similar problem. (Forgotten his name Though treatment is issue here.)

As for ACL it varies from player to player and type of injury as well. Not lookning far Will Keane for example hasn't been the same player till now after a ACL.

Suarez had the same surgery. And I'm not saying Vidal does have problems, but the injury happened at the end of the season, rushed back to the World Cup and now we're 3 and a bit months since he had it done and he's still icing it - it's not looking great. Suarez also rushed back but he'll have 4 months of not playing, and I think his tear wasn't as big as Vidal's anyways.

 

[Moonred]

Not really. Most people recover from acl injuries without any problem and the fixed knee often tends to become stronger then it was before if properly recovered. Meniscus injuries can be a simple procedure but if they don't recover properly or they rush back too quickly, it can give future problems.

I think i read this in the Vidal thread, and did some casual reading. Basicaly, both can recover and both can cause complications, it really depends on a lot of factors. The rehab time for ACL is always much much longer and can take upto 2 years for 100% recovery in many cases. The thing is though, no matter what it is, there will still be the same apprehension and remember Strootman will only be back playing competitively from December. Hardly enough time to judge him I would think.

 

[RDCR07]

We're too reluctant for some reason. In every other position we sign players with a regularity but in this one position there has been inactivity. Now, just one simply can't make up for that inactivity.

I know right. I just can't wrap my head around it. Its mind boggling that a top team like United haven't fixed their main problem in midfield for a good while now. Also why haven't we gotten rid of deadwood? I know the World Cup was a hindrance but a month and a half is plenty of time to assess your squad and bring in new players.

 

[FromTheBench]

Some people seem to be missing that Di Maria just had the best season of his career while playing in midfield.

When you say midfield he was still playing as the most advanced of 3 in midfield.

I am really confused by people saying he is a CM now. It's like saying Park was a CM.

 

[bosnian_red]

I think i read this in the Vidal thread, and did some casual reading. Basicaly, both can recover and both can cause complications, it really depends on a lot of factors. The rehab time for ACL is always much much longer and can take upto 2 years for 100% recovery in many cases. The thing is though, no matter what it is, there will be still apprehension and remember Strootman will only be back playing competitively from December. Hardly enough time to judge him I would think.

Yeah I know, I had acl reconstruction myself a couple of months ago. Most people say it takes about a year to get back to playing sports for average people, athletes are more like 6-9 months. If the rehab is done properly though then there is a smaller percentage chance to re-tear it compared to your normal knee.

Meniscus injuries I don't know as much about, but I had that done at the same time as well, but from what I gathered it's the cartilage between the knee joint and prevents friction between the bones, and also prevents arthritis and stuff later on. It's like a padding, or a cushion, but when it tears, they just stitch it into place and remove the torn bits, so there isn't as much cartilage as there was before to protect the knee. If there's a doctor here they could say more about it of course but that's pretty much what I gathered. Meniscus. Repairs are like temporary fixes and there isn't as much cushion as before, acl repairs are replacing the ligament.

 

[Elliott]

I said it sounds to be persistent as I didn't know his injury record. I did say in my original post that IF Vidal's injury was as bad as everyone said we would be better of with Strootman so maybe they are not. My brother has actually done a worse injury then what Strootman did playing Gaelic Football. He tore his cruciate ligament, his medial ligament, ruptured his meniscus, and dislocated his knee and knee cap. He is out of football for around seven months but he is recovering and getting stronger and the surgeons even said people come back stronger from those injuries.

Even in this day and age a knee will never be a hundred percent after ACL reconstruction. It's not uncommon for athletes to lose a bit of explosiveness and dynamism. As for pure strength, a study of NFL players showed that a year after ACL surgery about 80% of pre-injury quad strength had been restored.

 

[Damien]

I know right. I just can't wrap my head around it. Its mind boggling that a top team like United haven't fixed their main problem in midfield for a good while now. Also why haven't we gotten rid of deadwood? I know the World Cup was a hindrance but a month and a half is plenty of time to assess your squad and bring in new players.

Problem is a lot of our deadwood are on wages that many clubs can't afford.

 

[RDCR07]

Some people seem to be missing that Di Maria just had the best season of his career while playing in midfield.

So are you trying to say you want him to play in midfield for us?

 

[Browniee]

I know right. I just can't wrap my head around it. Its mind boggling that a top team like United haven't fixed their main problem in midfield for a good while now. Also why haven't we gotten rid of deadwood? I know the World Cup was a hindrance but a month and a half is plenty of time to assess your squad and bring in new players.

Bebe, Macheda, Nani, Buttner have all gone. And rumours Anderson and Fellaini will be next, not mentioning Hernandez. Think we've done alright with shifting some rubbish out

 

[An Irish Red]

Some people seem to be missing that Di Maria just had the best season of his career while playing in midfield.

Only because Real had Ronaldo and Bale. They have an embarrasment of riches, we unfortunately don't have that luxury. If he signs for us there's no way he's not playing out wide.

 

[Browniee]

So are you trying to say you want him to play in midfield for us?

He may have to with the fecking injuries we have.

 

[DWelbz19]

It was hardly him playing centrally, anyway. He'd drift out onto the wing when Ronaldo would have the freedom to move inward and occupy space with Benzema.

 

[RDCR07]

Problem is a lot of our deadwood are on wages that many clubs can't afford.

Yes a lot of reports are saying Young is on £120,000. Fine. That one is really hard to move on. But people like Cleverley? We want to give him a new contract worth £50-60k per week, which means he must be earning less than £50k. Anderson? Why sign Valencia to a new contract this summer?

Bebe, Macheda, Nani, Buttner have all gone. And rumours Anderson and Fellaini will be next, not mentioning Hernandez. Think we've done alright with shifting some rubbish out

When was the last time Bebe or Macheda even played for us? Buttner, yes! And we haven't moved Nani. We are still paying his wages for ffs! We still have to find a club for him next summer? Why sign him to a five year contract last summer? And regarding Anderson and the big lump, rumors doesn't equal they are moving.

 

[Stretch]

Yeah I know, I had acl reconstruction myself a couple of months ago. Most people say it takes about a year to get back to playing sports for average people, athletes are more like 6-9 months. If the rehab is done properly though then there is a smaller percentage chance to re-tear it compared to your normal knee.

Meniscus injuries I don't know as much about, but I had that done at the same time as well, but from what I gathered it's the cartilage between the knee joint and prevents friction between the bones, and also prevents arthritis and stuff later on. It's like a padding, or a cushion, but when it tears, they just stitch it into place and remove the torn bits, so there isn't as much cartilage as there was before to protect the knee. If there's a doctor here they could say more about it of course but that's pretty much what I gathered. Meniscus. Repairs are like temporary fixes and there isn't as much cushion as before, acl repairs are replacing the ligament.

The meniscus injury is certainly the less 'risky' of the 2. However, compare Suarez recovery to that of Vidal who both had ops around the same time. Suarez waited until it was safe for him to play. Vidal being Vidal and desperate to help his country played way too early after his op and had to take pain killing injections to allow him to play. If Chile delayed his come back he'd be 100% fine by now but his recovery was severely hampered and can cause issues going forward

 

[Damien]

Yes a lot of reports are saying Young is on £120,000. Fine. That one is really hard to move on. But people like Cleverley? We want to give him a new contract worth £50-60k per week, which means he must be earning less than £50k. Anderson? Why sign Valencia to a new contract this summer?

Anderson, we'll be very lucky to get anything for him. Cleverley's wages are probably close to 50kish and as for Valencia, Giggs rates him highly is my guess.

 

[Devil may care]

Di Maria would be ideal on the left of a diamond midfield.

 

[RDCR07]

The meniscus injury is certainly the less 'risky' of the 2. However, compare Suarez recovery to that of Vidal who both had ops around the same time. Suarez waited until it was safe for him to play. Vidal being Vidal and desperate to help his country played way too early after his op and had to take pain killing injections to allow him to play. If Chile delayed his come back he'd be 100% fine by now but his recovery was severely hampered and can cause issues going forward

I don't think so. Suarez was less serious of the two. Also Vidal has the surgery around May 8th or 9th and Suarez had his around May 23rd or 24th. Yet Suarez came back earlier than Vidal did to play in the World Cup. Two weeks makes a big difference.

 

[NK86]

Anderson, we'll be very lucky to get anything for him. Cleverley's wages are probably close to 50kish and as for Valencia, Giggs rates him highly is my guess.

I think Giggs is in the Fergie mould where he is tied to sentimentality. Like Rio said Giggs wanted him to stay and now giving Valencia a new contract.