Did you not see that Arsenal team?
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I did. Did you see the United team? Its basically the same team we're calling crap today.
It is crap.
Different teams at different times. We had players who were in form and fearless, where as Arsenal had a load of young guns who at the time were, as Paul Merson put it so hilariously on the day "slaughter to the lambs". On paper now the Arsenal team will read better than United's but at the time their team was full of unproven youngsters who are just now finding their feet, whereas our teams was consistent and in good form - it showed.
It's half the problem we have now, we have no form and even the best sides can look terrible if they're on a bad run.
EDIT: Even on paper now Arsenal's team looks weak, even with players that have developed over the last few years - Ox for example only played half an hour, it shows how dilapidated that squad was. You play it again now with their squad then against the same United XI now and it would be something like 3-1 or 4-1, it just so happened that we had a squad that were high on confidence and on a roll and they were at their bare bones - a freak result really. What Liverpool, Chelsea and City did to them at their respective grounds last season is more impressive given that Arsenal were at relatively full strength.
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To be fair, I'll still back us to beat Arsenal. Even with the team that played Swansea.
So its all basically down to Fergie? And the strength of the opposition team had nothing to do with it?
It doesn't really matter when considering the wider point it's trying to make. The team Arsenal put out was no worse than Swansea who apparently look at United's first eleven 'licking their lips'.
That team was typical of the whole season really, and we only missed out on the title due to goal difference despite a ridiculous number of injuries in comparison to City. We were United, and under Ferguson the individuals didn't really matter.
I'm actually more amazed at how little we've progressed since that 8-2 game. I mean nobody at the time would've called that a vintage United side and the hope would have been to improve on those options in the coming years so that we became a great side again. Yet, looking at that side, it seems as if very little progression has actually occurred for all the money we spent.
That's without even going into how those particular individuals have failed to progress or the damage done by the departure of SAF.
You just have to look at that Arsenal side for comparison. They've managed to catch up with us since with better players and a better team while we've stagnated.
That's without even going into how those particular individuals have failed to progress or the damage done by the departure of SAF.
You just have to look at that Arsenal side for comparison. They've managed to catch up with us since with better players and a better team while we've stagnated.
I dont understand how clubs talk to agent or the player without agreeing a fee with the club first? That is what causes unsettling and the player slowly starts making noises about leaving and before you know you are losing your player for like half the price.
In terms of the transfer fee, the selling club holds the best cards when you get to this late in the window.
Not necessarily. Take the Lescott situation for example. City signed him in the last week on the window and paid £22m. Although that is a lot of money for Lescott, weren't Everton holding out for something closer to £30m if Im not mistaken? They had to lower the price because he was desperately to leave and didn't put in an effort in his last game for them.
Far too inconsistent for my liking. He probably wasn't doing what LVG asked of him in training and that's why he's off.
It can also be a good way for him to go back to his roots and rediscover his form and play. Only if he takes it in the right sense.
Then we got utterly twatted by City and stopped playing decent football but grinded out results. Hence the massive mess we're in.
The good ole days, before Kevin Davies tried to break Cleverley's leg out of frustration of being outshone by a 21 year old. At times, still some of the most entertaining football United have played in a while
Also, that was a time when the young Phil Jones was being compared to Duncan Edwards by highly respected posters on here
Here here, hes scored some really important goals for us and his confidence has been shot for about 2 years now, If he can get it back over there Id love to see an in form Nani tear some defences apart next season
Young and Valencia have saved themselves with are lack of fullbacks
Wow! No buzz regarding Rojo's signing.. Shows how tiring the last few weeks have been w.r.t transfer rumors. I think this has been one of the most frustrating transfer windows to date, lets hope the next 10 days are better than the last 50..
Don't get your hopes up. If we sign anyone else, it'll be Blind or someone totally out of left field. Squad is pretty rubbish. It's not as bad as some are making it out but we have too many average players on big money. Chelsea, Arsenal and City all have comfortably better squads. Liverpool's is marginally better just because it is more balanced and the players are knitted together in their system well. All 4 of those teams will probably finish above us if nothing changes. Despite having a great strike force, we are at Spurs/Everton level right now because the deficiencies in our midfield are having a deleterious effect on the other parts of the team. No proper protection for the defence, poor supply to the forwards and wide players, an inability to transition from defence to attack efficiently and/or quickly and trouble winning back possession when lost. This has the potential to be an ugly season again. All that can change that is some miracle in the transfer market or just genius management from Van Gaal.
Let's not forget that, Welbeck aside, we have absolutely no pace in the team whatsoever. You have to have pace in the modern game.
Fake?? I wouldnt say so. We all know Woodie is slow as feck...maybe hes so slow that he goes back in time.
I have a gif somwhere with our Barca like passing in the opponents half. Triangle merchants...
The good ole days, before Kevin Davies tried to break Cleverley's leg out of frustration of being outshone by a 21 year old. At times, still some of the most entertaining football United have played in a while
Also, that was a time when the young Phil Jones was being compared to Duncan Edwards by highly respected posters on here
That also came from SAF's comments about him potentially becoming our best ever player.
The only slow players in our team is Mata, Fletcher and RVP. At the minute we don't have a unit but its only bloody August. LVG wasnt going to get it right after 6 weeks... He said so himself. Give the team bloody time.
LVG said he needs 3 months for the players to fully adjust to his system. Yet, there's panic after one game.
Bellion, Obertan and Bebe have/had pace to burn.
I remember lot of German based journo's saying that united fans should expect a lot of tough results till about Dec/Jan.. Van Gala takes time to instill his philosophy and once everything clicks, the momentum just builds.. I'm not expecting much this season tbh, we'd do well to get 4th place if Woodward doesn't sign someone like Vidal/Di Maria.
Need to give Van Gaal and the players the time to get used to the new style of football
Need to give Van Gaal and the players the time to get used to the new style of football
This is the better one I thought. Beating Arsenal with a midfield of Gibson and O'Shea with the twins as our wingers.
And because we are a bit shit, i'm sure that had an impact on his decision.
The point I'm making is that the fee they want might not be "fair" at the moment.
You're right though, it's a risky way to do business.
Are you being sarcastic or are you just very hypocrotocal and fickle? How did you go from the oh so sensible block of posts that everyone was praising you for a few days ago to this
One game made you change your tune so fast?My god, I think about 250 players rejected us if we were to believe all the shit out there.
Yup. Basically whichever plays anywhere in the world and who is not on payroll of Manchester United has rejected us if we are to believe twitter and media.
Won't be surprised if Reus and Mueller stuff is true at least. We need players in those positions, they are highly rated players in that area and we would have offered them big wages to tempt. But Mueller probably doesn't want to leave Bayern and got a new contract IIRC, and Reus will leave next summer.
The media are just loving it.
So rejecting us is like turning your head away when naked Angelina Julie come straight to you. Why is that a news in the first place?
The good ole days, before Kevin Davies tried to break Cleverley's leg out of frustration of being outshone by a 21 year old. At times, still some of the most entertaining football United have played in a while
Also, that was a time when the young Phil Jones was being compared to Duncan Edwards by highly respected posters on here
That was so surreal. I remember one of Jones' first games for us; he did well enough but Evans was different class. I pointed out as much in my ratings and some yahoo replied something along the lines of "Evans might have had the better game but Jones still looked like a much better player, if you know what I mean." That post got plenty of positive feedback. This place and it's shiny, new toy-ism. Crazy.
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