If you are better than other players at MUFC playing in your position and proving it on a daily basis then you will start. If I were Moyes thats the only clause I´d accept
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The more important point is what clause will Thiago accept, and how desperate are us to get him and/or do we have a backup plan. While a contract similar to that of Barca wouldn't be a problem at all, cause he's good enough to play in 60% minutes of our game, it could set a wrong precedent. Anyway, I hope that the deal is concluded, cause I think that regardless of the clause, he will play more than 60% of available minutes.
The problem is that other players might start to demand similar clauses in their contracts though. What if Cleverley, Thiago and Carrick all demand to play 60% of our games? Or RvP/Rooney/Hernandez/Welbeck? It's a team game, and the squad is heavily rotated during a season so the team can perform over the course of a season. Obviously it's about developing players as well, but not if it's going to cost the team as a whole. Thiago should get on the team, and prove that he should play as many games as possible, not having to demand it in a contract.
The difference being Dos Santos was an overrated poser who was never going to make it at Spurs.
We are Manchester United, the fecker needs to realise that. We don't do bullshit clauses.
Strange timing Graham. Did he ever say personal terms were fully agreed? If not then he isn't bullshitting. If so, then I'm not sure why he's mentioning it now. Isn't Mazinho back in Spain?
he could've made it if he was actualy given a chance I think...he might've been overrated, but right now it seems like he's underrated...I always wondered why he never got any minutes at Spurs, especialy since they don't really have/had another player of his ilk, meaning he'd give them a different (new) dimension if used properly.
He never said they were agreed. Just that it was close.
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Then he isn't bullshitting and people are getting confused with other news outlets who said we have agreed terms. This may be the one snag that is indeed holding up the deal. This is truly agonising. I need a smoke.
feck that fat bastard, make Thiago your priority Moyes!
I´m sick and tired of the feckin rotation, play the ones in form and rest them when they are feckin out of form. They do a couple of trainings, skip the training if you are tired or do a real job ffs. I´m sorry but how can NHL players cope going all over USA playing every other day and we have to rest players.
Utd don't have the same depth of competition in cm as he faces in Barcelona. Why would they balls things up asking for something they don't need and that Utd would not stand for as there is no precedent and presumably no wish to set one. Sounds like a load of shite to me.
He mentioned something about this on MUTV today, though a meeting between the two parties has been speculated on since the season ended - only Moyes' continuing round the world trip has held things up from happening I guess.
I agree we overdo the rotation side of things but NHL probably allows for that schedule with the constant substitutions they have, I have little experience of the sport but wouldn't it be less tiring skating on ice than running on grass?
Mundo Deportivo seem to confuse themselves too.
It's back on.
First they claim Barca won't offer a new contract. Then they say Barca will offer him double up and lastly they go back to the initial report which was, Barca won't offer him a new contract.
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Moyes doesn't need to worry about Thiago, that's all settled. He's got to sort out bog brush head though.
That's the way the muppet in me sees it...
That's the way the muppet in me sees it...
Watch. Tomorrow they will go back to Barca will offer new deal. Rumours will continue to pour in until this situation is clear.
By the way, I think Thiago hasn't made his decision yet as according to Hunter, he hasn't spoken to Moyes in person.
It's ok though - Moyes apparently used telepathy to convince Thiago that he's the new Arteta.
Jona has been like a groupie, club couldn't get rid of him for over a year now - rebuffing loans at several clubs. Some see it as admirable the way he stuck with it at the club but, personally, I see an ungrateful player who was shown loyalty when he hit a personal low after the prostitute debacle. Club could've kicked him to the curb but they stuck by him and instead of taking their advice and accepting a loan where he'd actually play, he's been planted on the bench collecting a paycheck for 18 months. He's simply not good enough for Barcelona's first team.
Club can decide if they're worth it. Carrick of course that won't ever ask for a similar clause, but if younger player asks (and who is to say that they won't regardless of Thiago's case) then we can decide if that is acceptable or not. If Thiago's offer is either the clause or he's not coming, I think that the answer shouldn't be as simple as No, but more likely they need to decide if they can find another player as good as him, with as many potential and that will cost relatively the same as him. Or someone not as good or cheaper. Or someone more expensive. A lot of options, and if the other options are not as good then Thiago (or at-least not near it), then it's fair to suggest that we should eat a bit of our pride and sign him. If they decide that they can find someone similar, then fair enough, we go for him.
It's hilarious that some of us are just saying we should say just No, we are Man United etc etc. Thiago had that clause in Barcelona, a team that has an infinitely better midfield than us. It is expected that he could ask for a similar clause. And then it all comes how desperate are us to sign him, and how good al alternate options.
That would not be an issue, as they could all play 66%
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On Evra I'm told it's his decision to leave and Utd's bid for Baines is a reaction to that. Not a case of Evra being pushed.
On Evra I'm told it's his decision to leave and Utd's bid for Baines is a reaction to that. Not a case of Evra being pushed.
I suppose if we set the release clause a little higher so we would make a profit it wouldn't be so bad but I guess it also depends on how strict it is. Does it allow for injuries? That's the minimum you'd need in that case, like make it based on a percentage of games he's available to play. Even then though its always worrying given if he's playing poorly or struggling to adapt/needs to be eased in then depending on the terms we could just lose him or leave ourselves open to that possibility. But it is true we may be getting him as a direct result of that same clause at barca so suppose we have to accept some risk.
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Both Real Madrid and Man City have met Julian Draxler's £40m buy-out clause, but he doesn't want to move. http://bit.ly/18laLmz #RMFCIf true, it probably means the Monaco rumours are true. Hard to begrudge him a move back there given how well he's done for us and the project they've got going at Monaco. I'm sure he'll get one last big contract in an area they consider home.
Yeah, and it provides Moyes with the perfect opportunity to bring in one of his own players - arguably the only one who is United quality.
It sort of hurts if Evra does want to move. It seems like everyone is leaving
Yup! Potentially without Evra, Nani, Rooney, Anderson to add to the loss of Scholes, Fergie and the backroom staff going into next season, with Ferdinand, Giggs and possibly Fletcher not having long either. A lot of change in the next two or three years!
On the pitch, Evra is not a huge loss, but it feels as though he's one of those players who adds so much to the team off the pitch. He seems like a model pro, yet he also seem to get along with everyone on the team and is a character in the dressing room. Much like Anderson, his (current) football ability will not be impossible to replace, yet it's still a massive loss for the club in my opinion. Though if he wants to move back to France for his last few seasons as a footballer, it's perfectly understandable. Still a huge shame though.
I dont think we'd miss Anderson much. I wouldnt classify it as a massive loss at all. Evra will definitely be a loss due to the very factors you mentioned though. Getting someone of Baines's quality would be a big boost though.
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