They threw their mate under the bus too.
Turning on Rangnick
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Only read the first and last pages but please tell me someone picked up on the glaring double entendres?
Don’t have any idea what he is like in the dressing room but someone needs to go in there “swinging” ala Keane.
People turning on Ralf have no idea!
Honestly there's not a manager in the world that could get a consistent performance from this lot.
This was my concern, under Ole they had no accountability, didn’t have to work hard and got praised for achieving nothing. Now they are being asked to do more and they don’t look interested. Even if we were to find a Klopp/Pep level of manager I’m not convinced anyone would have the talent, character and workrate to make it at the highest level.
It was an example of good wing play yes and guess what, they scored from it!
he was on the pitch a couple minutes and put in more crosses than either of our wide players.
Bruno came on and tried it but until he did it was AWB doing it, who is maybe the worst player in the league in the ball.
And yes matic mctom and Fred are average, city dodged a bullet with Fred.
Mate rashford was a striker than got shifted wide because he wasn’t good enough to stay a striker
Greenwood is a striker! We all know this, but is being played wide because there is no one else.
I class a winger as a creator, these players do not create for othera, rashford is the worst at this, he takes stupid shots at stupid angles, that’s not a management fault it’s a player fault.
No way can you actually believe this, and these players hit your criteria for playing well for their national teams as well.
I don’t understand the partisan nature of looking at the managers performance.
I want him to be a success. I’m not saying he won’t be a success.
i completely agree that he needs more time to put a stamp on the team, and the players need to play there part.
but it should also be an open forum to call a crap performance crap. And also criticise what from the outside look like poor management decisions.
I stand by the previous comments with how poor the majority of the football has been so far.
I want him to be a success. I’m not saying he won’t be a success.
i completely agree that he needs more time to put a stamp on the team, and the players need to play there part.
but it should also be an open forum to call a crap performance crap. And also criticise what from the outside look like poor management decisions.
I stand by the previous comments with how poor the majority of the football has been so far.
“We’ve “ haha Christ, and you’re wanting to punch people haha
Rangnick came in talking up a big game of a change of direction, hard work, pressing etc. It lasted one game. We played reasonably well Vs Palace and have stunk the place out in every other game since including Burnley who were just woeful and made us look half decent.
This guy is a Glazer yes man. A puppet. He still playing players who are crap. Still inexplicably doesn't put Donny on and nobody understands why.
This guy is a Glazer yes man. A puppet. He still playing players who are crap. Still inexplicably doesn't put Donny on and nobody understands why.
*Joel Glazer has left the chat*
Can only assume that he's got ideas for a big shake up if the squad.
Some players names you were linked with in the press would do a good job for you I think.
First name on my list would be Rice from West Ham.
Some players names you were linked with in the press would do a good job for you I think.
First name on my list would be Rice from West Ham.
We need hard working players.
RVN, Beckham, Keane, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Neville, Rooney, Scholes, Stam.
They all had ridiculous quality but were very hardworking players.
Our current crop don't put in the hard yards except for a few.
RVN, Beckham, Keane, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Neville, Rooney, Scholes, Stam.
They all had ridiculous quality but were very hardworking players.
Our current crop don't put in the hard yards except for a few.
He's gone from Klopp's guru and mentor to Captain Hans Geering in rapid order!
You want some?
If he can recover the painting of The Fallen Madonna With the Big Boobies it would be nice, I guess
Sadly, I think that ship sailed after René left the club....
Nah man you’ve simmered me down haha
I feel like I support Spurs 
Ralf was the wrong appointment all along. The Caf gets carried away whenever some hipster flavour of the week is mentioned. He hasn't managed any top side he hasn't won any big trophies, he's bit off more than he can chew simple as. We have no choice but to stick with him till the end of the season but you can kiss top four goodbye. If we had bought someone like Valverde or Conte ( doubt he would've accepted a caretaker role) we'd be in the top four race.
This is why I'm against Ten Haag as the permanent manager. The experts on caf have no clue what they are taking about.
This is why I'm against Ten Haag as the permanent manager. The experts on caf have no clue what they are taking about.
Much too early to judge him. You can’t look at a few shit performances and say he is a shit coach. Results over a long period is the only rational indicator.
The players are obviously very low; they went from genuinely optimistic and full of team spirit to hopeless fools without any fight, all in the space of a few months. I mean the wheels really came off at shocking speed. It is a big job just to get their chins off the deck.
I don’t think a major rebuild is required but a few new faces are needed to shake the squad up a bit. And bring some kids through.
The idea that RR is to blame or could be expected to do much better by this point is mad.
The players are obviously very low; they went from genuinely optimistic and full of team spirit to hopeless fools without any fight, all in the space of a few months. I mean the wheels really came off at shocking speed. It is a big job just to get their chins off the deck.
I don’t think a major rebuild is required but a few new faces are needed to shake the squad up a bit. And bring some kids through.
The idea that RR is to blame or could be expected to do much better by this point is mad.
They scored because the CB headed it back in a poor area, not because of some great wingplay.
And nearly all were useless.
The crosses were useless though if we can't do it consistently. The biggest problem was the intensity and tempo, by the time we crossed we had two players surrounded by four.
The manager is the one choosing the side, Bruno on the bench, VDB not getting a chance.
Rashford and Greenwood are wingers, those are the facts.
Your classification is irrelevant, what matters are facts not your head canon.
Rashford had 15 assists last season, so clearly hyperbole that he is worst at creating, also he has stopped taking those shots a long time ago. The fact that you are still regurgitating that cliche criticism just shows the nonsense being repeated.
And no, the fact we look clueless as a team is down to the management, not the player.
Yes I can believe this, because it is true. Even our new manager believes in that clearly.
I mean not giving the guy the time to settle and criticizing would be harsh while seeing some kind of improvements. God knows even a tiny bit of improvement would be very obvious in our current situation.
But creative players being played out of positions and playing to be worse than under the sacked manager while not subbing obvious bad players during the game soon enough or at all are all legitimate concerns to me. You can blame as much as you want on the players. However, not sure manager being clueless during the game and failing to address issues is a sign of successful manager or any way to see he is getting the hang of it at this level. If we can't expect anything from an interim manager, the we might have as well saved the money and kept Carrick till the end.
But creative players being played out of positions and playing to be worse than under the sacked manager while not subbing obvious bad players during the game soon enough or at all are all legitimate concerns to me. You can blame as much as you want on the players. However, not sure manager being clueless during the game and failing to address issues is a sign of successful manager or any way to see he is getting the hang of it at this level. If we can't expect anything from an interim manager, the we might have as well saved the money and kept Carrick till the end.
+It's been a lot longer than that, even when SAF was here to paper over the cracks.
Is this a serious post?
Can't believe people are turning on him already. Nobody get half this lot playing at the moment. Top talent can't even do the basics right, now the issue is the attackers.
I'm backing the manager over then. Big big job needed here, give him everything he needs to either leave is sitting right for next manager, or him
To be fair he did drop Rashford. Credit where it’s due, right?
I don’t think the players are having him. They are the real problem, it’s a really poorly built squad, but Ralf’s 4-2-2-2 has been a mistake. I don’t know how he got them pressing in the first game, but not at all since. I also think the vagueness of his “consultancy” role is a major problem because the players don‘t think he has real authority. Ralf’s value would be in staying on and running recruitment/organisation rather than coaching. There needs to a massive cull and a much more ruthless approach to getting rid of players. I think Ralf would be the man for that but I don’t think he’ll be allowed to do it if the next few months go badly.
Is this a serious post?
Can't believe people are turning on him already. Nobody get half this lot playing at the moment. Top talent can't even do the basics right, now the issue is the attackers.
I'm backing the manager over then. Big big job needed here, give him everything he needs to either leave is sitting right for next manager, or him
Backing a manager who the club don't even want to give the job to? Hahahaha. He's babysitting them until they find someone they want. I'm not backing him one bit. Neither are the players evidently.
Deserved. But then gives Donny 6 mins in 5 league games.
Glazer puppet is all he is. Hasn't done what he said he'd do. He's just playing the same brand of rubbish football.
Is there much point in turning on an interim? He’s only here for 5 more months as manager.
He unfortunately is the sacrificial lamb for the board isn’t he? I do not understand why he plays certain players when they are miles off it completely and utterly. Somebody somewhere is telling this manager what to do. Brings on rashford who has been awful and takes greenwood off. Rangnick is trying to play a system that requires absolute effort from fresh young running legs. This system does not suit this lazy old squad so rangnick sort it out, look at the players change the system because these lot you are picking can’t play like you want to. If you want to implement the system play different players because it’s not working. We are a good 5 years off it if we start doing things correctly now.
There is something no we’re all missing here comes from the top down rotten, no way was that a rangnick team he is told what to do and who to play.
Rangnick is a good man and needs time, but he has an impossible job, look at the facts mourinho moyes van gaal nobody can do this job, the players aren’t good enough. Miles off.
There is something no we’re all missing here comes from the top down rotten, no way was that a rangnick team he is told what to do and who to play.
Rangnick is a good man and needs time, but he has an impossible job, look at the facts mourinho moyes van gaal nobody can do this job, the players aren’t good enough. Miles off.
Don't know how he's a Glazer puppet but what I will say is that I'm deeply diisappointed even he is not giving Donny a chance and keeps insisting on Scott Fred and Matic. I think Scott is suspended for the game against Villa and I bet he won't play Donny then either.
Of course he's a puppet. He's here for 6 months and wants the job FT. He's said so himself. He won't ruffle any feathers.
I don't blame this mess on him. This has been 8 years in the making. However he won't be our saviour.
What could we expect though in all honesty? The owners held on to Ole untill we dropped so many points we put ourselves in a real bad position to qualify for CL. They already thrown the season away because of their incompetence. Hopefully Ralf does good in his role upstairs but this season is already done.
What could we expect? Whilst I can't blame the utter mess this football club has become on him.....
Gerrard got Villa playing well within 2 games. Conte has Spurs 9 undefeated domestically.
He's either telling the players to do one thing and they are ignoring him or he's telling them to do the same thing Ole did. Either way that's not great leadership is it? No respect there. Probably because I bet half the squad didn't even know who he was.
True but we can't compare a serial winner like Conte to Ralf. Managerial wise Ralf has never really done anything impressive. We had the chance to get Conte but our owners are too afraid of someone who will be critical of them. I bet Spurs will end up 4th while we float around mid table.
I wouldn't turn on him but he needs to run half the squad out of the club. At least 6 of them players today (not including Maguire) shouldn't be at the club at all.
Overpaid, overhyped players unwilling to work, looking to clear out yet another manager.
Certain players should stick to getting fitter and dropping the pre match pies, before doing interviews.
Certain players should stick to getting fitter and dropping the pre match pies, before doing interviews.
it's going to take him time to sort out this bunch of Great pretenders. Phil Jones was our best player today. Yes the guy who hasn't kicked a football in the premiership in 2 years and yes he was our best player. The players attitude is a disgrace. Ralf will get the blame but for me the players need to stop giving lip service and actually step up. Cowards .