Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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You're assuming Trump has a clue about history or just about anything.
They're going with the "burn it all down" strategy... always has a great long-term outcome.
I'd call complete bs on that considering Nunes' late night trips to the White House in the past. There is no way Trump would not have either had a say in the contents of the memo or at least ok-ed it in secret before this. I'd like to think things are suddenly done cleanly but that clearly hasn't been the modus operandi.
The obstructionists are going to be fuming if anything in the memo gets redacted.
The best thing the Dems can do right now is campaign hard for an investigation into the allegations in the memo. Be completely open about it and present it in a bipartisan way.
“If you’re confident this memo is true, then we must open an investigation into the crimes alleged in it. ”
That way the investigation will have no choice but to subpoena all the underlying classified evidence and prove once and for all whether there is anything illegal or whether it’s all constructed.
If it’s all constructed, an investigation should then be launched into why Nunes constructed the memo and who he worked with. If they can prove it was with Trump, they can add it to the obstruction charges.
This is arguably the dumbest bunch of aspiring dictators and henchmen, ever.
Terrible idea. They'd appoint a stooge who would spend a year or two dragging the FBI through the media, stretching the investigation into the Clinton's and giving the impression that Mueller has no legitimacy.
I agree with all of this whilst all the while believing it'll never happen cause nobody knows what they're doing including the democrats.
I dont get why people in the WH are leaking stuff related to the Russia probe and wanting it published just hours before the speech.
To be fair, Dworkin said at the weekend that there were due to be numerous Russian stories dropping before his SOTU address.
And the shit now has truly hit the fan hasn't it.
You dont need to be Sherlock Holmes to make that kind of prediction. We've been getting new stories on a daily basis in recent times.
Yes agreed, but the stories were pretty specific so It's clear that things are being leaked before they are being leaked if that makes sense? He said about the second document that corroborated the Steele memo AND the Nunes story too. It really is evident there are still people inside the White House who want to take Trump down from the inside or at least cause him as many problems as possible.
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I can't wait for the movie.
Yep, but the sources that are being used will have a good idea when the stories get published. If they're not happy with the release date, then they can tell the journos to delay for a day or two.
I reckon a lot of this is being leaked with Trump's blessing. One example is that the story about Trump trying to fire Mueller came from the WH counsel's office but no one has been fired/resigned, which suggests Trump gave the go ahead for that leak.
Yeah I have thought that for a long time. He's definitely been leaking stories just to call them Fake News a day or so later.
Cant he subpoena him? He is not a monarch.
Not entirely sure. There seems to be a bit of a gray area in this regard since, unlike in the 90s when Ken Star was the actual independent council who was regulated by a law that has since expired, Mueller is currently operating under the auspices of the Department of Justice which Trump is technically in charge of. So there's confusion as to whether Mueller can subpoena him when Trump could easily ignore the subpoena.
Ok, if he commits a felony in a public fashion, can he be arrested before he is impeached?
Apparently he doesn't have to enforce the laws passed by Congress either. These rules are ultimately only as good as the people in power. We've counted on things like decorum, personal responsibility, and a sense of duty to get this far - don't think the Founding Fathers ever envisioned this group of cnuts making their way to the top.
I'm pretty sure he can't be arrested.
It's the natural consequence of American culture; Trump is America squared.
So effectively he is above the law, while in office. Although I am sure that immunity is not explicitly specified in the Constitution. The fact that impeachment process is slow, and the 25th may not be very rapid either, indeed there is a possibility for some significant damage should he decide to act in a 'scorched earth' manner.
Yes and no. He can be implicated in criminal act (possibly even indicted) and be impeached by Congress. After he leaves office, he can be prosecuted for anything both at the federal or state levels.
By scorched earth I meant he knows he is going down and wants to take as many people with him as possible. The fail safe of the 25th amendment requires action by people appointed by him. I guess this is part of a larger topic namely '''Can the US become a dictatorship while abiding the Constituion"
Yes, I've been reading on leftist social media about the prospect of Fox News leading a revolt against the FBI and CIA
President Grant was arrested for a minor offense once. Noone seemed to think it was a problem back then.
No secret service back then.
Which shouldn't effect the constitutionality or not of arresting a president.
Yes. It simply means even if some local DA is willing to commit a career suicide and attempt it, it won't be allowed.
But they would've prevented the POTUS from being hauled in for a drunk and disorderly behind a local tavern.
(Note: this statement is not intended to be historically accurate.)
I'm not sure they would have back then. This idea of presidents being treated like monarchs is relatively new. When Grant was arrested he was driving a buggy alone through the streets of Washington. Presidents only started being shut away from the people much later, and as a result this aura of being above the laws and conventions of society sprang up, and courts started interpreting the constitution in ways that were clearly never intended. If they had been intended, then Presidents would always have been treated that way, and they demonstrably were not.
Seeing increasing stories looking at Nunes having actively coordinating with the WH.