Nobody is attacking you personally and this is hardly a conspiracy theory, is it? It's an ongoing investigation headed by a man who served as the FBI director for over a decade which has already brought charges and pending indictments to some key people. If you don't want to follow this then leave the thread.
Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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fecking PM me then, I was wondering what your beef is
True. I'll be spending time reading the entire report I posted a few posts up today.
No chance in Kremlin kompromat hell that I'm reading the whole transcript, so if anyone is similarly lazy here's a long twitter thread
I'll check it out. I wasn't referring to this transcipt btw. I was talking about the Senate Foreign Relations Committee report on global Russian election interference (the link i posted above).
I read it all last night. There's not much there that is genuinely new (apart from the disclosure that there may have been in internal white house FBI mole). Most of it just fills in small blanks and explains how things went down chronologically. Also some interesting insights into how these research firms operate.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
The only way it will lead to impeachment is if the Dems have a stranglehold on both houses. The Republicans aren't going to impeach.
Sneaky Dianne...that's just lame
If Trump's campaign members are charged of collusion and obstruction of justice it wont lead to impeachment but what happens if Trump himself is charged of those things along with money laundering?
He has the brain of a five year old and the hands of a three year old. What did you expect?
Can he be charged? If he is charged and he contests their right to charge him what happens when he throws that right up to The Supreme Court that he has helped mould?
There is no charge for collusion. The crime here would be Conspiracy against the United States. Obstruction of Justice would be a completely separate charge, as would Perjury, as would Financial Crimes like money laundering.
At that point impeachment would be likely. And before some pre-defeatist bedwetter claims the GOP Congress would never do such a thing, well you would be wrong. Politicians are ultimately interested in one thing above all else - self-preservation, and very very few Republicans would want to be tarred with the feathers of Trump's corruption in the lead up to their own next election campaign.
I don't know many people who voted for her who didn't view her as a flawed candidate. But of the likely winners, they saw her as the best option to do the actual job of the President. With Trump voters, I saw far more who viewed him - despite his far greater flaws - as their guy. Some may have been reluctant but for most, he truly represents them and what they see as important. That more people didn't come out to vote against that is the biggest problem IMO.
I think the stories about potential Alzheimer and memory loss are the stalking horses here and will be activated if there is a genuine threat of impeachment. It will be the obstruction of justice that will surely be the game changer. Money laundering, meeting Russians, will be "explained away" by the republicans if they have to and they can hide behind vague definitions / complex financial matters excuses.
Obstruction of Justice is pretty cut and dry and if Trump is involved they will cut him loose, rather than run the risk of a Trump witness statement where he could decide to just pull others into it just for gits and shiggles. He will get retired superfast in that scenario.
Obstruction of Justice is pretty cut and dry and if Trump is involved they will cut him loose, rather than run the risk of a Trump witness statement where he could decide to just pull others into it just for gits and shiggles. He will get retired superfast in that scenario.
Congressman Issa is retiring. The coward has bottled it as he knew his seat was one of the most likely to flip to the dems.
Read it and unless I'm missing something it doesn't seem to say anything of note other than 'Trump went to Russia quite a few times' and Manafort meeting with Russian businessmen.
Yeah I think Bannon must have been making up his names for him.
It's so easy to come up with something better. Devious Dianne for example would have been a vast improvement and that's without even trying.
Devious Don & the Kollusion Krew.
That thread isn't supposed to contain the information it sounds like you're looking for.
Blimey, it's Obi Wan muller.
" & the Kremlin Krew.
Interesting perspective. Dunno, but this last set of strange events feels like something has changed, a worm has turned. Bannon gone, hamfisted attempts at bipartisanship, Trump about to be questioned. Is the whole project quite a marshmallow at the core?
Yep, that's better.Gambit said:
It all hangs on the outcome of the Mueller investigation. If it reveals any of the four things in my previous post then Trump is finished. Trump may of course finish himself with his base before that by agreeing to immigration policies the right wing approve of, but that's another topic.
You must mean the right wing dis-approve of?
Honestly given the hatred for Trump do you see a pardon realistically happening?
Especially if there's a Democrat as a President there'll be huge pressure on them not to pardon him.
Yep i meant disapprove
Thanks for this very enlightening summary. I'm just doing your four points in bullets so I can find them easily.
The Four Jumps of a horse called Trump, I think I will call them.
A Democrat probably woudn't pardon him (although its not as crazy a possibility as it sounds), but a Republican almost certainly would. The US elevates the office of President ridiculousy highly, and more importantly none of the establisment want a precedent of Presidents going to jail for crimes. They also tend to fall back on a desire (I've never been able to work out if its real or just bullshit) to 'heal the wounds' and 'fix the partisan divide' by finding soft ways out.
Assuming Simpson was truthful - and based on the transcript, I saw no reason to suspect he's lying - then the "Steele dossier" was not the basis for beginning an investigation into Trump-Russia connections. For those paying attention, the transcript goes a far way to undermine the talking points by GOP leaders who are seeking to attack the likes of Steele, Fusion GPS, etc. Of course, the whole point of that exercise is to make it seem like the basis for the Russia investigation is fraudulent but it pre-dates the dossier and is based on intelligence gather by the US and its allies.
That's why Feinstein released it, not as definitive proof that there are criminal Trump-Russia connections but rather to cut off the growing lies by GOP pols regarding the testimony itself and show that Steele and Fusion did have reason to be concerned by Team Trump's financial dealings, behavior, and lies. That concern reflected the feelings of the broader intelligence community, I think that much is clear.
In the end, it may just be that there was no criminal efforts by Team Trump to get Russia's help in the election (though I'd say the emails and testimony by Don Jr, Papadapolous, Carter Page, etc show otherwise). It may just be that Trump is a weird guy or that his ego didn't want it known that he wasn't as rich as he was. That's entirely possible with him. But his behavior suggests he has more to hide and that could be any number of things (money laundering, other financial crimes, pee tapes, etc). IF he went as far as obstructing justice when firing people, if he told people to lie, lying himself, etc, then you have to wonder why.
Good assessment.
he is getting a bit paranoid sounding
Very interesting. Wonder if adding a cyber specialist has anything to do with pursuing a specific cyber direction.