Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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Could Mueller use his son as a bargaining chip?
e.g insist the President speaks with him on Mueller's terms else Don jnr is up on all kinds of charges?
e.g insist the President speaks with him on Mueller's terms else Don jnr is up on all kinds of charges?
I don’t think he’d hesitate to throw Jr under the bus, the only person in the world he cares about (other than himself) is Ivanka.
He doesn't have to throw any of his family under the bus. He has unlimited pardoning power. Except Kushner. He will definitely throw him under a bus, or a train.
Kushner's far too pretty to go to prison.
If he pardons his son, his son can’t plead the 5th when charged by NY on state level crimes
He'll be going to a pretty prison anyway so his butthole will be air tight.
Pardon will be related to federal crimes only. So he will be able to plead the 5th at state level.
I’m not 100% sure that’s how it works. Anyway he can’t pardon state level convictions
No, he cannot that's why I mentioned it. However, Mueller is operating on the federal level.
Double jeopardy. If he’s already admitted guilt at federal level and been pardoned for it, he can’t be tried again for the same crime hence why he can’t plead the 5th.
What they can charge him on however is contempt of court. If he decides he doesn’t want to talk or tries to get away with lying, he can be charged for that.
Is double jeopardy even valid for federal/state crimes? I mean, aren't they actually different crimes?
I'm under the impression he works closely with the NY AG, there's probably a lot he can share
Most state laws mirror federal laws and therefore are considered the same crimes. There are certain crimes which could technically be pardoned at federal level and then with a bit of imagination tried under a different law at state level but it’s likely that it would go all the way up to the Supreme Court and they would have a strong argument that admitting guilt in return for accepting a pardon only to have that admission used against them at a later date would completely go against the spirit of the 5th amendment and the presidential pardon.
What’s to stop the presidential pardon being used as a trap to coax admissions of guilt if it happened even once?
there is more chance of Lord lucan or Shergar remains turning up in these coffins then fallen US soldiers. seemingly they have only one Soldiers tag coming home with them.
Not sure how credible this is, but it appears that currently the SC does allow prosecution in that case.
From: https://www.delsignoredefense.com/b...-same-crime-under-the-double-jeopardy-clause/
He'd drive the bus to prove that he caught the traitor and take all the credit.
The pardon power and double jeopardy clause are very interesting.
Some states have statutes that prevent state prosecution if you’re pardoned federally, but others do not.
Also, if you are pardoned before you stand trial at all, you’d definitely only be tried one time once it hits the state level.
I can't wait for the moment a desperate Trump hijacks Air Force 1 and demands to be flown to Russia.
Who does Steven Seagal play in this movie?
Who knows? I'll be watching All The Presidents Men II anyway
Paul Manafort
With all this talk of Seagal, this might be relevant to the thread..
This just makes me think of that TV show....Oz.
Hypothetically, if Trump is completely innocent, is there any good reasons why his lawyers would be against him talking to Mueller in that case?
LIBRUL MIND TRICKSSS (even though Mueller is Republican).
Sarah Huckerbee Sanders.
It's technically possible for an innocent person to be done on perjury.
You actually put some thought into it didn't ya?
damn rich people are stupid as hell
Dunno what the relevance is, but the prosecution has apparently had to justify it as the Judge told them to stop going down that route, as its not a crime to be rich.
Far more than was in any way justified..
You just opened a can of worms with @Eboue right there
♪See my vest♪
Like my hoodie?
It's a beauty
Os-ti-rich, no customs duty
Wire transferred fifteen thousand (it's excess)
So you can feck off, Bob. Mueller I'm gonna walk
See my vest, see my vest, see my vest....
that cnut needs executed just for that.