The only way his hardcore support will ditch him is if he turns "left" or cuddles up to what they perceive as the swamp.
Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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There's an easy get-out for Trump fans if he pardoned DTjr: "But it's his son!"
His hardcore support sure. I tend to look at Nixon for an idea of what percentage that is likely to be. Even when he resigned he retained 24% support. I'm treating that as a good indicator of Trump's likely hardcore.
Imagine if Gorsuch voted against Trump.
Do it Mueller you beautiful bastard you
Mueller subpoenaing (is that a real word) the president, suggests his investigation is at an advanced stage.
Gorsuch as no loyalty to Trump .Despite him thinking otherwise.
Trumps reaction to a potential sobpoena will be fascinatingly double edged. On the one hand if he submits to an interview he is absolutely bound to incriminate himself while on the other if he resists and even fires Mueller it's surely more evidence of obstruction. I still can't work out if Mueller has expertly manouvered Trump into this corner of if it's one very much of his own idiotic making. 
Trumps reaction to a potential sobpoena will be fascinatingly double edged. On the one hand if he submits to an interview he is absolutely bound to incriminate himself while on the other if he resists and even fires Mueller it's surely more evidence of obstruction. I still can't work out if Mueller has expertly manouvered Trump into this corner of if it's one very much of his own idiotic making.
I can imagine from Mueller's profile and history that he's been doing his best to piece together the truth and construct the edifice required to get it to an endgame, but I can also easily imagine Trump blundering into a trap of his own making and rendering what Mueller created unnecessary
The whole idea of an interview was Trump's initially wasn't it?
The triple finger tap on my laptop trackpad says yes.
I don't think so. Since the case of obstruction is relying heavily on intent an interview with the subject of the investigation is probably the most natural thing in the world. I'm not following the news in the US on a day to day basis but I think that there was always chatter about the possibility of an interview from the media to which Trump someday said he'd be ok with it or something.
So the release of the questions was obviously a Trump inspired ploy to lay the public groundwork for Trump rejecting an interview with Mueller
I've just read through Article 2 and I'm struggling to see how it can be interpreted to "the President’s unfettered power to fire anyone".
I mean it clearly states that appointments must be confirmed by the senate so that suggests the President does not have complete power.
He's generally full of it and it is probably listening to whatever spin his lawyers laid him him before the tweet was sent. If he doesn't want to talk then Mueller will subpoena him.
Are you suggesting that Trump of all people doesn't fully understand the Article 2 powers?
It's DiGenova he's quoting who I guess it more of a rent-a-quote than a constitutional lawyer.
I kinda feel like this has to happen so that the US can stop dancing around the vague reality of the President's power.
The biggest question has always been that we don't know if Mueller can charge a sitting President hasn't it? Why the hell not? Why the hell don't the best legal minds in the US know? Why doesn't anyone in the government or federal agencies know either?
It's about time we found out and the Americans defined it once and for all. Is he a God Emperor or is he a civil servant?
The biggest question has always been that we don't know if Mueller can charge a sitting President hasn't it? Why the hell not? Why the hell don't the best legal minds in the US know? Why doesn't anyone in the government or federal agencies know either?
It's about time we found out and the Americans defined it once and for all. Is he a God Emperor or is he a civil servant?
Do you also think that this could be the reason a lot of Republicans are choosing to step down or not run at all after the midterms. It seems like they know Trump is going down and don't wanna be a part of "The Republicans who aided and abetted Trump's coverups". My only question is if he's able to pardon his way out of this.
Agreed, it needs to be defined now, and once for all.
Yeah.
Agreed. If Gorsuch has loyalty to another branch (which I'd doubt) it'd be congress as they're the feckers that allowed him in. Plus he's relatively young so he'll see many presidents.
The Republicans who are stepping down are doing so because they don't think they can win in November, in the face of the a potential blue wave that may take place. Some of them are obviously also tired of the constant gridlock and the direction the GOP is moving in during the Trump era.
I don't think he will be able to pardon his way out of this, especially if the Dems retake both houses of Congress. The pressure at that point will be immense.
Are they on to win both houses?
I bet he didnt even the word 'unfettered' existed.
Good chance of winning the house. Senate is going to be very hard to win since there are a lot of Dems up for reelection as well. If however, Trump does something to annoy voters even more than they are now, then the Senate could be in play.
Yeah that was what I thought. Here's hoping he has a melt down just before the mid terms.
Just winning Cruz's seat would be enough for me. I'd have a delicious wank to his concession speech.
I think it will be largely dependent on whether more people show up to vote than normal for a midterm. If more non-active voters come out, they'll almost certainly be doing so to vote against Trump and the GOP. That's who Democrats need to be working to convince to get to the ballots. Of course the GOP know this and have been working overtime to make it more difficult to exercise the right to vote.
I fully agree with you but I think it's a can of worms they're desperately trying to avoid opening. If the President can be indicted for crimes, they're going to be under threat of criminal investigation for the decisions they make (in an ideal world, in good faith) on behalf of the country.
I think traditionally, it's been recognised that the job is a difficult one with no right answers. It's not binary at all in terms of good and bad and some of the work they have to do happens behind the scenes rather than in formal legislation.
So consider the scenario where a President negotiates with a corporation that if they can have a tax break and cut 5000 jobs to keep the business in the United States rather than move it abroad. The President's point of view is that it's best to have them stay and pay some taxes than leave and pay none. How about the 5000 that lost their job? What if they all sue the President for cutting a deal against their interest? What if he gets bogged down in a criminal investigation which seeks to establish if his actions were legal?
Then you have the issues of a prosecutor potentially being above the President in the Executive branch and the potential politicisation of that.
I think that's why historically they've tried to give the President immunity. The issue with Trump is that he's an absolute scum bag with apparently a very long list of criminal behaviour.
They've now got to decide which is the worst precedent to set - Allowing a President to be indicted or allowing a criminal to cheat their way into office and being free when they get there.
Good post, I agree.
Whenever I hear Meadows, Jordan, Gaetz, DeSantis, or Nunes' names - I know someone is up to no good.
Could perhaps the answer be to impeach him and then charge him once he’s an ordinary citizen.
http://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sto...obe-after-trump-administration-gave-it-908322
Ukraine stopped helping Mueller after Trump gave it weapons. Shit, does this work? Hey Mueller I've got dossiers!
*emails trumps lawyers list of demands*
Ukraine stopped helping Mueller after Trump gave it weapons. Shit, does this work? Hey Mueller I've got dossiers!
*emails trumps lawyers list of demands*
I'd imagine Mueller already has most of what he needs about Manafort.
Getting the questions out in the public domain also weakens the news impact of future inditements, and new disclosures.
I'd join along too if that happened.