Indeed but let's not forget too that we're talking about a country where a huge amount of the population still believe that the bible is a sworn record of truth and that the world is only a couple of thousand years old. When you process that statement the stuff you mentioned starts to make sense more.
Trump and Brexit: What has happened to the world?
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Indeed but let's not forget too that we're talking about a country where a huge amount of the population still believe that the bible is a sworn record of truth and that the world is only a couple of thousand years old. When you process that statement the stuff you mentioned starts to make sense more.
My initial thought upon seeing that graph was that a huge portion of the lower earners demographic would have been voting for Clinton and typically votes Clinton. The difference between between the higher earners is not even that big.
In the same way that I take immediate post-match reactions here with a grain of salt, I'll give it some time post-election before most people start thinking straight again.
For some reason the right wing, EVERYWHERE, seems to have a persecution complex when it comes to media. In conservative rhetoric, media somehow always seems to be dominated by left-liberals. Even when that's blatantly, obviously not true. It's weird.
It's fecking barmy. They see reality through such a distorted prism, while simultaneously tub-thumping about how everyone else has the wool pulled over their eyes.
Anyone else up for a group watch of 'Idiocracy' later tonight?
Both papers sell way less than Mail, Sun, Telegraph etc
Unironically agree with him.
The Mexicans are the new Jews. Being blamed for anything and everything. Do they not realise how this makes them look?
Yes, but what choice do they have? Remember Occupy Wall Street? That was the warning that the establishment should have taken note of, but they didn't.
Revolutions start when the masses are fed up and feel they can't do anything but take things into their own hands. In this day and age this is probably the closest to a bloody mess without it being an actual bloody mess.
Again, that film is an optimistic scenario: they put the smartest man on Earth in charge to fix things!
I expect the left-leaning BBC is viewed by more than the combined totals. You did say 'media', not just newspapers.
The Beeb torture's itself to be neutral
Yeah, it's happening in Israel too.
Another thing that happen in the US elections and Brexit, and also Israeli elections in 2015, is the unability of pollsters to get it right. Seems like they can't get the right reading on the ordinary people away with the big cities. Maybe I'm generalizing it too much.
The choice to not vote for an ultra right-wing sociopathic idiot?
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Can we start another petition?
Aye, it's an easy choice, or at least should be.
My only hope is that the democrates will in future realise that when voters are so desperate for a "change" vote that they'll even vote a racist, sexist, sociopath if not offered an alternative.
Just can't shake the feeling Bernie would've walked this and today would have been an incredible day towards a new future, instead...
+ or - 3% can make a huge difference.
Technically a Poll showing Trump at 45% and Clinton at 50% would be in range. Trump got 47.8%. Clinton got 47.4%.
The 'well it can't get any worse' voters are about to find out whether they're right or not.
It's exactly this arrogant mentality that made Trump president ! Instead of offering solutions to the people, they are humiliated and told they are stupid and should vote Clinton because it's the right thing to do.
Desperation does things to people, thats the point many are missing.
Can't disagree with him, other than calling Brexit and Trump winning great revolutions.
People want hope, Trump offered that, Clinton offered a doomsday scenario if people didn't vote for her but did exactly give people a reason to vote for her. I didn't research any candidates policy in detail but I have no idea what exactly she was proposing, with Trump I know what he proposes to do. I've heard Clinton wanted to face Trump because she thought he would be easier to beat than Cruz and the other candidates, I hope now this is the end of Hilary's political career.
It will certainly be the end of her political career and the start of a new one ... in the courts !
Other than building a wall and removing Muslims, what exactly is he proposing to do?
I'm not looking for "fix X", I'm looking for the actual plan of what it is he will be doing.
Well you just named it, that was my point.
Eh?
Hilary outlined exactly what she was planning.
Trump has said, "it'll be great, great great great" and hasn't gone into detail about any policies whatsoever or how any of his promises of walls, banning Muslims or reopening the mines would be plausible in reality.
What? So those two 'policies' constitutes knowing what he plans to do?
Which was what. You have to think, the average American voter was probably someone like me who didn't bother to research either candidates manifesto. I'm fairly confident most of the population know about Trump's plans for building a wall, banning Muslims and deporting Mexicans. What exactly where Hilary's policies and how well advertised where they through this campaign. Disregard how bad Trump's policies are, they were marketed better and the American population bought into it.
Yes, whether or not he will be successful is a different matter. The people voted for him because they believe he will carry these measures out.
They're all related aren't they? So much for the American dream.....Ultimately it's up to the American people to enforce the change. Anyone can tell the truth, when you are seeking votes. Clinton would have been 10x worse but it's still up to the people. Anyone with questions regarding trump, why not send him a tweet?
There is truth in this
They're all related aren't they? So much for the American dream.....Ultimately it's up to the American people to enforce the change. Anyone can tell the truth, when you are seeking votes. Clinton would have been 10x worse but it's still up to the people. Anyone with questions regarding trump, why not send him a tweet?
That's how you end up on a list, lets hope he doesn't enact the libel laws he's proposed.
Well for example..
• Moving to a more renewable energy future and building the renewable plants in coal country.
Trump in turn says climate change is a hoax & wants to reopen the mines. He has given zero information on how on Earth this would be plausible, truth is... it's not.
• cooperation taxes- fairer tax system
• criminal justice system
• gun violence protection
Etc etc etc
If you watch any Hilary speech or any debate or just read the quick front page of her campaign, you know what Hilary is planning to do and more importantly how. Trump is promising things that make zero sense and hence can't go into detail on how he plans to keep these promises.
And fails to do so miserably.
Trump (and Brexit) appealed on a gloriously simplistic levels to two distinct demographics. People who want to turn the clock back to a time when life was simpler and better. And people who think that a protest vote is the first step to tearing the whole thing down and starting all over again. Nobody is interested in boring solutions to the woes of the world that actually reflect reality. Stuff like "it's complicated, we're not sure how to fix it or even if it can be fixed but let's at least try not to turn on each other". They want simple solutions and they want them now. Even though life doesn't work that way.
Add up the numbers of people who hold those two radically different world views and you can win a two horse race.
Of course, an inevitable consequence of selling people pipe dreams is the fact that people won't get what they voted for. Nobody can turn back time and helping power hungry megalomaniacs achieve their political ambitions is the worst possible way to try to take power away from the elite.
Add up the numbers of people who hold those two radically different world views and you can win a two horse race.
Of course, an inevitable consequence of selling people pipe dreams is the fact that people won't get what they voted for. Nobody can turn back time and helping power hungry megalomaniacs achieve their political ambitions is the worst possible way to try to take power away from the elite.
So they voted for a Billionaire who has a rich father and they were both part of the establishment... Yep makes perfect sense lol!
Polling problems are something else, a symptom of a broken system.
Polling now, largely belongs in the hands of vested interests (In the UK, mostly Tory Peers). Polling today is not about predicting a result, more about shaping it.
Polling has become a tool to shape events rather than report on them, with biased questions and skewed samples. A good example is during the recent labour leadership election, a poll result cam out saying that 70%+ of union members wanted Owen Smith. It turns out that the poll was taken on just 68 people, all of whom had identified as being conservative voters. Polls are designed to say whatever the pollster wants. This is why they get it so spectacularly wrong.
Times changing faster than people can adapt. Lots of frustration about not being able to compete internationally leads to calls for seclusion a la Brexit, Mexican Wall, etc.