Television True Detective | Season 2 Spoilers

I don't mean bollocks as in you can't prove it, or I don't believe it, I mean bollocks as in over indulgence on the part of the writer. It felt like trying too hard. Like I say though, it was nicely offset by Hart's reactions, and eventually I settled into the character just being like this, rather than the writer trying to be clever.
 
Mockney said:
I don't mean bollocks as in you can't prove it, or I don't believe it, I mean bollocks as in over indulgence on the part of the writer. It felt like trying too hard. Like I say though, it was nicely offset by Hart's reactions, and eventually I settled into the character just being like this, rather than the writer trying to be clever.
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yeah, it definitely help to have another characters reacting to him in the same way normal or average people watching this might be thinking. With no one calling him nuts or telling him he is just gibbering, it would clearly be more closer to a case of cheap over intellectualism.
 
Woah. Aren't we missing the point in that present day Cohle is deliberately playing up that stuff to pull the wool over the eyes of the detectives interviewing him?
 
George Owen said:
he talks crazy shit not only to them... (i'm not saying what you are saying is wrong)
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Does he?

His views in the flashbacks on religion, human consciousness and the nature of male/female relationships are hardly what I'd call 'crazy' and more to the point they're entirely fitting with the trauma suffered by his character in the past.
In fact the 'time is a flat circle' idea was brought up by Ledoux who was abruptly told to "shut the feck up".
 
i'm referring more to the "crazy***" way he talks rather than the content. Whatever he says, no matter the subject, its like a quote from a old book... and some people might think that's not "real life" way of talking, so i'm saying that some people do talk like that and that Hart way of doing stuff is more like average/normal people, making the show work.

*** with a lot of 10 dollar words like Hart told him.

ps. but yeah, i might have lost for a moment the perspective of his gibbering with the detectives and mixed it with someone i met long time ago, that was similar to the "interview room" Rust in real life
 
There's a bit in the first episode where he's describing the town as the shadow of a bad dream or something (it's not that, but ish) to which my immediate reaction was "poncy writer" before Harrelson immediately said "Who the feck talks like that?"
 
hungrywing said:
Watched the first five eps last week after the bajillionth person saying it's the best thing since swiss cheese ice cream.

Overall a bit 'meh'. The latest in a line of 'dark-gritty-deep' shows worshipped by pimple-faced kids and a generation of lapsed (insert religion here) who don't realize why they so gravitate towards these shows. But technically it's very well-executed, so I poked around and read a few articles and two things stuck out.

First was an interview where the writer seemed to imply that they're out to sublimate crime show cliches; there's really only one way you can do that - and even that's a bit hackneyed. Long story short it points to X-Files-ing the ending. Fair enough. If they're going where I think they're going, the last ep is going to be a visual feast. These kidults are going to go absolutely nuts, foaming at the mouth and climbing over each other to proclaim it as the bestest thing evar. Also then 'the affair' isn't just a link in the paint-by-numbers chain. It heavily influences the finale.

Second was an interview where the writer says - with a straight face - that McConaughey's monologues are 'so much more than bland freshman year dorm room discussions' (paraphrased). Now that is an absolutely monumental red flag, considering A. his description is exactly what those monologues are, and B. that sort of gaffe is a classic symptom of the Lindelof generation. They put up their hands and say "No, seriously, you're not hearing me; this shit is, like deep." I doubt very much HBO would let stuff like that slide without having a kick-ass ending, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Hope they finish strong but that second quote is more than a bit troubling.
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Such an over the top criticism of the show. I find with Rust's monologues that they were probably borne of cogent, well-thought philosophical dispositions but they get distorted by Pizzolatto's style of shrouding them in all this weird drawling metaphor in an attempt to poeticise it. Rust's rather blunt antinatalism is hardly dorm room shit.

To suggest that we watch TV to fill this "moral vacuum" in our lives strikes me as being far more sophistic and airy-fairy than anything that has ever come out of Rust's mouth. I watch the show because the dialogue is good, the interplay between the two main characters is good, the mystery is good and the pacing is brilliant. Not because deontology and utilitarianism can't quite fill the hole.
 
Mockney said:
There's a bit in the first episode where he's describing the town as the shadow of a bad dream or something (it's not that, but ish) to which my immediate reaction was "poncy writer" before Harrelson immediately said "Who the feck talks like that?"
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Agreed. The show is excellent and I find Rust to be a great character but at certain points the monologues have suffered from being purple.
 
Mockney said:
There's a bit in the first episode where he's describing the town as the shadow of a bad dream or something (it's not that, but ish) to which my immediate reaction was "poncy writer" before Harrelson immediately said "Who the feck talks like that?"
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Ah yeah. ".. faded memory of a town."

Sounds like something Cormac Mccarthy might come out with. Definitely belongs in print (if it wasn't lifted from there already).

Reminds of me of someone's end of year uni project I had to act in. One of the lines I had to deliver was "it feels like I'm stuck in a dream". Eurgh. Always makes me cringe when I remember it. Literally nobody has ever said those words aloud in that order.
 
hungrywing said:
Watched the first five eps last week after the bajillionth person saying it's the best thing since swiss cheese ice cream.

Overall a bit 'meh'. The latest in a line of 'dark-gritty-deep' shows worshipped by pimple-faced kids and a generation of lapsed (insert religion here) who don't realize why they so gravitate towards these shows. But technically it's very well-executed, so I poked around and read a few articles and two things stuck out.

First was an interview where the writer seemed to imply that they're out to sublimate crime show cliches; there's really only one way you can do that - and even that's a bit hackneyed. Long story short it points to X-Files-ing the ending. Fair enough. If they're going where I think they're going, the last ep is going to be a visual feast. These kidults are going to go absolutely nuts, foaming at the mouth and climbing over each other to proclaim it as the bestest thing evar. Also then 'the affair' isn't just a link in the paint-by-numbers chain. It heavily influences the finale.

Second was an interview where the writer says - with a straight face - that McConaughey's monologues are 'so much more than bland freshman year dorm room discussions' (paraphrased). Now that is an absolutely monumental red flag, considering A. his description is exactly what those monologues are, and B. that sort of gaffe is a classic symptom of the Lindelof generation. They put up their hands and say "No, seriously, you're not hearing me; this shit is, like deep." I doubt very much HBO would let stuff like that slide without having a kick-ass ending, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Hope they finish strong but that second quote is more than a bit troubling.
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DJ Jeff said:
Such an over the top criticism of the show. I find with Rust's monologues that they were probably borne of cogent, well-thought philosophical dispositions but they get distorted by Pizzolatto's style of shrouding them in all this weird drawling metaphor in an attempt to poeticise it. Rust's rather blunt antinatalism is hardly dorm room shit.
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All due respect. Depends on your dormroom. Multiple people in this very thread who have proved their intelligence on the caf have called it out as sounding such. As for it being over the top, that post was more for the people in the thread who've implied that they're familiar with the nuts and bolts aspects of storytelling and would pick up on all the stuff between the lines. At least one did, so I don't think it was too far off the mark.

To suggest that we watch TV to fill this "moral vacuum" in our lives strikes me as being far more sophistic and airy-fairy than anything that has ever come out of Rust's mouth. I watch the show because the dialogue is good, the interplay between the two main characters is good, the mystery is good and the pacing is brilliant. Not because deontology and utilitarianism can't quite fill the hole.
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As for the bolded part, no one ever suggested that. I made very specific mention how crime shows - not TV in general - deliver a very particular mechanism and how that was exploited during a particular era of TV. It's a pretty well-known thing in the field. Go to any film/TV market and it's sales companies waxing nostalgic how it's impossible to move dramas/family oriented product anymore. Interesting stuff if you're into that sort of thing.

If there's a better explanation for the rapid increase and sustained popularity of those shows during that period I've never heard it and would certainly welcome a fresh opinion. Most of the stuff in that post comes from discussions with people in that business. An outsider's opinion wasn't ever in the mix.

Wonder Pigeon said:
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Was it good for you, too?
 
hungrywing said:
It's long and boring, involving bloodlust and sacrifice and the history of television advertising and moral vacuum and collective unconscious. Okay maybe not that last one. I'll put the long version in a spoiler.

So short version, crime shows are very explicitly designed to deliver to the viewer a very particular 'morality'
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You said it here. I may be misreading you though.

Simply put, I get the whole culture industry shtick you're going with but I don't think it applies to TD. Or rather, I don't think the philosophy that permeates TD is so blunt as to be part of this concerted effort to "sell the show" to a market of people looking for quasi-intellectual television, and it certainly isn't so crucial to the show that it can't be done without either, in the case of Rust's pessimism.
 
Mockney said:
I really didn't like Marlo, but Mouzone felt like he was plucked from a completely different show.
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Yeah there was something a bit too 'stylized' about him (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for, but I'm sure you get my meaning.) On a show like The Wire, it was a bit awkward. Interesting fact though: Mouzone's right hand man (his name escapes me,) was played by Deandre McCullough, the real-life protagonist of David Simon's book, The Corner, which was obviously a major inspiration for The Wire.
 
FCBarca said:
Agreed. Although I found the asylum scene frustrating for the simple reason that I can't fathom how this girl couldn't have been asked these directed questions years ago already.

Apart from that, thought most of it was quite good, per usual. I don't think it will be Lost-esque in that reason & logic will be thrown into the bin so the resolution should be both plausible and apparent to viewers. That being said, lawnmower man does seem to move to the front of the queue although I have a hard time believing some lawnmower guy is at the center of a massive coverup that involves Tuttle, the police et al. Feels a bit more like a red herring or at best, just a member of this killing cult
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Maybe she was in a much worse state that we saw and didn't even answer to the questions. She was younger and probably in an even bigger state of shock.
 
So I assume the format of the last two episodes will be Marty and Rust sitting in the pub with beers discussing their lives of the past ten years (with flashbacks), and then the last episode will be mostly set in 2012 as they try solve the case.
 
I mean it's great and all but no way can I suspend my disbelief enough to buy that Woody Harrelson is getting off with Michelle Monaghan, Alexandra Daddario or Lili Simmons.
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
I mean it's great and all but no way can I suspend my disbelief enough to buy that Woody Harrelson is getting off with Michelle Monaghan, Alexandra Daddario or Lili Simmons.
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Clear abuse of his producer role imo.
Must've thought "if he's getting all the best lines I need to get something out of this."
 
Called the killer back in page 3. Go me.
 
Can't wait for he finale now, really love this show. Anyone know if they're planning other seasons with other people, but like a similar style? I can't imagine it'd be able to sustain this seasons quality.
 
Shinjisan said:
@fishfingers15
Bernie, Killer Joe, Mud...it has been building up to this for a couple of years. I have been a fan since David Wooderson..alright, alright, alright..
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I've always liked him, but I thought he had some terrible movies in between (Fool's Gold, what the hell was he thinking) Good to see him back.

Somehow this looks a lot more cinematic.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I've always liked him, but I thought he had some terrible movies in between (Fool's Gold, what the hell was he thinking) Good to see him back.

Somehow this looks a lot more cinematic.
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Lot of crap in between to be fair. I guess somethings you have to do keep a paycheck coming and remain relevant.
 
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