Transgender rights discussion

Trump won me over when he talked about the Sex of humanity. Only two sex and that's male or female you're either that or you're mentally Ill.

Anyone who disagrees with that can get feck for all I care.
Great and nuanced take, this.

Well done.

The mentally ill should feck off anyway. Bunch of whingers, the lot of them.


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Is that really the big problem in the world today? You’d be willing to sacrifice everything else just for this culture war debate.

Well it's a big problem when they are confusing kids globally.
 
Well it's a big problem when they are confusing kids globally.
Who are confusing kids? How are they confusing kids?

How many kids? What are they confused about? How big of an issue is this really?

Could you argue this is actually helping them not be confused?

Is this more important than other issues?
 
Well it's a big problem when they are confusing kids globally.

If you haven't even heard of intersex people, a very commonly known fact, how do you feel you're qualified to identify what kids are getting confused by globally, and what effect that has on them?

It seems like something you should consider leaving up to professionals to figure out.
 
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Who are confusing kids? How are they confusing kids?

Is this more important than other issues?
Yes it's as important as any issue you can think of...

You have teachers encouraging kids in schools it's okay to perform gender surgeries.
 
Well in my life time I've never come across that, is it scientifically proven that from birth a baby had the female organ and the male organ?
Unless you are examining every person you meet , you don't know whether you have came across "that".
 
Read up about it mate: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

There's lots of different conditions that give people different sexual characteristics to the norm. Typically you wouldn't know from looking at them without seeing their bits. You've probably met a fair few people with these conditions in your life.
You mean to tell me that as babies, when the doctor brought them out of their mothers womb they had male and female Genitalia?

I don't believe a word written on there.
 
Trump won me over when he talked about the Sex of humanity. Only two sex and that's male or female you're either that or you're mentally Ill.

Anyone who disagrees with that can get feck for all I care.

See everbody, that's the target group we're talking about. If you try to win people with such reasoning over with logical arguments about complex situations, you're automatically in for a disappointment. It simply won't work.

If liberals around the world want to win those voters back, they should take a very close look at how populists wrap up their 'arguments'. If you have the facts and logic on your side, it is very tempting to bring those up to convince the opposite that you're objectively right but that's simply not how many people work. Republicans approach campaigning like advertisement while Democrats approach it as if they were in a debating club. But if the people who voted for Trump could ve convinced with arguments, they'd never have voted for him to begin with. You need to pick your instruments according to the target group and in such cases, you're better off repeating easy to grasp catch phrases and strawman arguments time and again and leave facts and arguments aside.
 
Yes it's as important as any issue you can think of...

You have teachers encouraging kids in schools it's okay to perform gender surgeries.
What are they telling them? Like what does that part of the curriculum look like? I genuinely don’t know by the way, it’s such a complex discussion that I don’t have massively strong views.
 
Stupid people like this this poster, not sure of their gender so I’ll call them they/them, are allowed to vote. There’s no arguing with them. No critical thought, just read something somewhere and that’s that. Save your fingers and leave them to it.
 
Stupid people like this this poster, not sure of their gender so I’ll call them they/them, are allowed to vote. There’s no arguing with them. No critical thought, just read something somewhere and that’s that. Save your fingers and leave them to it.
Attac the post not the poster or something.
 
See everbody, that's the target group we're talking about. If you try to win people with such reasoning over with logical arguments about complex situations, you're automatically in for a disappointment. It simply won't work.

If liberals around the world want to win those voters back, they should take a very close look at how populists wrap up their 'arguments'. If you have the facts and logic on your side, it is very tempting to bring those up to convince the opposite that you're objectively right but that's simply not how many people work. Republicans approach campaigning like advertisement while Democrats approach it as if they were in a debating club. But if the people who voted for Trump could ve convinced with arguments, they'd never have voted for him to begin with. You need to pick your instruments according to the target group and in such cases, you're better off repeating easy to grasp catch phrases and strawman arguments time and again and leave facts and arguments aside.
This is a slippery slope towards a world where nothing matters anymore. If you don’t have the literal facts and logic then what’s the bloody point.
 
This is a slippery slope towards a world where nothing matters anymore. If you don’t have the literal facts and logic then what’s the bloody point.

I mean that's already the case, you have millions of people who are already rejecting facts and logic.
 
Trump won me over when he talked about the Sex of humanity. Only two sex and that's male or female you're either that or you're mentally Ill.

Anyone who disagrees with that can get feck for all I care.
You are conflating biological sex (which is mostly binary except when it isn't) with gender which is a social construct related to biological sex, but nor defined by it.
 
You are conflating biological sex (which is mostly binary except when it isn't) with gender which is a social construct related to biological sex, but nor defined by it.
They are not, as is evidenced by the complete trainwreck posts that followed.
 
You mean to tell me that as babies, when the doctor brought them out of their mothers womb they had male and female Genitalia?

I don't believe a word written on there.
Approximately 1.7% of people are not strictly male/female genetically. That does not mean that most of these people have both male and female external genitalia. If you had done the most basic research you would know that.
 
Approximately 1.7% of people are not strictly male/female genetically. That does not mean that most of these people have both male and female external genitalia. If you had done the most basic research you would know that.
There's no research to be done if you don't believe a single words that's written on those websites
 
So why make it millions more.

There is no benefit to playing by the rules, when one side has openly embraced alternative facts. Trying to appeal to people's common sense clearly isn't working.
 
Yes it's as important as any issue you can think of...

You have teachers encouraging kids in schools it's okay to perform gender surgeries.
He’s right here. I’m a school principal and I make sure to meet all my teachers every morning to remind them to really focus on Maths, literacy and how it’s okay to perform gender surgeries.
 
Trump won me over when he talked about the Sex of humanity. Only two sex and that's male or female you're either that or you're mentally Ill.

Anyone who disagrees with that can get feck for all I care.
This in a nutshell is who voted for trump.
You are conflating biological sex (which is mostly binary except when it isn't) with gender which is a social construct related to biological sex, but nor defined by it.
They do the same with climate and weather. trump's whole existence is based on misinformation and posters like the one above are sooo easy to convince. You can't even reason with them.