Transgender rights discussion

Pexbo said:
I think conservatives have massively overestimated this culture war. Especially around the topic of genders.

There is a very intense argument online between the opposing factions on trans issues but if you speak to people that aren’t “very online” they don’t seem to have much of a clue about it and are generally of the opinion that they couldn’t care less how trans people live and basically leave them get on with it.

So the idea that the parties on the right are going to bring this to elections as key issues and somehow that’s going to ignite their base seems fanciful at best.
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Culture war is all the Tories have left. They have nothing else to offer. Their record in power is just so bad. That’s why they’re spewing out so many provocative policies that are directly aligned with “always online” hot topics. Refugee boats, paedophile gangs and now this trans stuff.

I think you’re probably right in that they’re overestimating how much “normal” people care about all this shit but it’s all they have left to offer, so they’re going all in. It’s absolutely insane to watch it happen. Almost surreal.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Maybe Denmark should stop being so pervy and let folks have a little privacy before going for a swim.
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It’s the same in Iceland. I was told that the weird fetish for personal hygiene via naked peer pressure was down to the occasional filthy loner who would use a public bath after spending the winter in isolation, without bothering to wash themself at all. They have big diagrams in the shower rooms before you can enter the baths, reminding you to scrub your cock and balls.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
I seem to recall it being similar in Canada, too.
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No idea, i didnt really think about it untill my uk visiting female cousins expressed aversion to our customs before going in for a swim.
 
stepic said:
the stupidest part is that if you force trans men to use women's spaces, then you essentially allow all men access. which is ironically the exact fear based nonsense terfs go on about.
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I can easily see that bloke in the tweet entering a woman's bathroom and the husband of a woman inside trying to stop him. Tensions rise, you'll have fights outside bathrooms.

The cynical in me thinks these lawmakers really want to create some chaos, which will essentially result in violence, so they can pass even harsher laws against transgender folks.
 
Bari Weiss' The Free Press has published yet another harrowing tale about medical overreach, written by Emily Yoffe: ‘I Felt Bullied’: Mother of Child Treated at Transgender Center Speaks Out



The story is that a woman's 14 year old son is put on puberty blockers. The result was a "devastating decline in his mental and physical health" and school grades in free fall. The mother demanded that the treatment was stopped, but the doctors disagreed. The article also includes an interview with the son, who is called Casey for privacy. .

In reality, Casey is called Alex and goes by either they/them or she/her. After the publication, Alex felt the need to tell their own story in a 10 part Twitter thread, because they were disgusted by Yoffe and their mom, and surprisingly the picture differs.

 
NotThatSoph said:
Bari Weiss' The Free Press has published yet another harrowing tale about medical overreach, written by Emily Yoffe: ‘I Felt Bullied’: Mother of Child Treated at Transgender Center Speaks Out



The story is that a woman's 14 year old son is put on puberty blockers. The result was a "devastating decline in his mental and physical health" and school grades in free fall. The mother demanded that the treatment was stopped, but the doctors disagreed. The article also includes an interview with the son, who is called Casey for privacy. .

In reality, Casey is called Alex and goes by either they/them or she/her. After the publication, Alex felt the need to tell their own story in a 10 part Twitter thread, because they were disgusted by Yoffe and their mom, and surprisingly the picture differs.

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Bari Weiss is quite simply a bad person. That’s all there is to her.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Bari Weiss' The Free Press has published yet another harrowing tale about medical overreach, written by Emily Yoffe: ‘I Felt Bullied’: Mother of Child Treated at Transgender Center Speaks Out



The story is that a woman's 14 year old son is put on puberty blockers. The result was a "devastating decline in his mental and physical health" and school grades in free fall. The mother demanded that the treatment was stopped, but the doctors disagreed. The article also includes an interview with the son, who is called Casey for privacy. .

In reality, Casey is called Alex and goes by either they/them or she/her. After the publication, Alex felt the need to tell their own story in a 10 part Twitter thread, because they were disgusted by Yoffe and their mom, and surprisingly the picture differs.

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They are quite articulate.

Some of the replies are absolutely infuriating.
 
NotThatSoph said:
Bari Weiss' The Free Press has published yet another harrowing tale about medical overreach, written by Emily Yoffe: ‘I Felt Bullied’: Mother of Child Treated at Transgender Center Speaks Out



The story is that a woman's 14 year old son is put on puberty blockers. The result was a "devastating decline in his mental and physical health" and school grades in free fall. The mother demanded that the treatment was stopped, but the doctors disagreed. The article also includes an interview with the son, who is called Casey for privacy. .

In reality, Casey is called Alex and goes by either they/them or she/her. After the publication, Alex felt the need to tell their own story in a 10 part Twitter thread, because they were disgusted by Yoffe and their mom, and surprisingly the picture differs.

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What, this Emily Yoffe?

"College Women: Stop Getting Drunk," reads the title of a Wednesday piece by Slate's Emily Yoffe. "It’s closely associated with sexual assault," the headline continues. "And yet we’re reluctant to tell women to stop doing it."

 
BEST No7 said:
Brainwashed people like you, who thinks it's fine to champion something that's utterly wrong. The human race would cease to exist. Would you marry a transgender?
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If your partner sat you down tomorrow and said that they had been born a different gender, would you leave them?

I’m not mature enough to go on further dates with someone I was attracted to, if they told me that they were a pre op transsexual. I’d struggle if they were post op. That’s on me. I’m 40 and don’t think I could wrap my head around it and that feels uncomfortably comfortable.

But if my current partner told me that they were born a man, I think I’d have it within me to carry on loving them, Fcuking them and living a life with them.

Drawing binary lines in the way that you do, makes you sound so stunted. It’s just love and sex and identity and it doesn’t sound like you have a command of your own place in the world.
 
stepic said:
the stupidest part is that if you force trans men to use women's spaces, then you essentially allow all men access. which is ironically the exact fear based nonsense terfs go on about.
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Might have written this here before… Not a hypothetical as I’ve seen weird men make weird calls. Almost always.

But imagine that you (as I do) have a daughter. What toilet do you take them to?

I took my daughter to the women’s toilets. 100% of the time. Every single woman in every single toilet was receptive to that as process.

The kind of men that get their pants in a knot about a transgender woman using women’s toilets… are EXACTLY the same people that take their young daughters to men’s toilets when they need to go.

So… the exact same people that are losing their minds about the infinitely small number of transgender women using women’s toilets… ROUTINELY take their daughters into men’s toilets. With urinals and cocks out and the absolute stench and shit on the seats and coke everywhere. Those are the people that have a problem with people they will never meet, taking a shit in a cubicle in a space that they can feel safe. Why? It’s so stunted.

Anyone arguing about toilets is beyond saving. It’s wees and poops. That’s it. Grow up everyone.
 
BEST No7 said:
Brainwashed people like you, who thinks it's fine to champion something that's utterly wrong. The human race would cease to exist. Would you marry a transgender?
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That might be the most stupid thing I have ever read.
 
The issue isn't really that anyone seriously thinks there are a disproportionately high number of trans people who are sexual predators. It's the notion that it puts more women and girls at risk if the sight of a male-born person stops becoming in women's spaces stops being something that sets alarm bells off and starts being something people just ignore as it just being that persons right to identify as a woman .
 
stw2022 said:
The issue isn't really that anyone seriously thinks there are a disproportionately high number of trans people who are sexual predators. It's the notion that it puts more women and girls at risk if the sight of a male-born person stops becoming in women's spaces stops being something that sets alarm bells off and starts being something people just ignore as it just being that persons right to identify as a woman .
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I think part of the issue is that in the 21st century, its now entirely subjective what a woman or a man is, or its become a discussion. Im old school, I go by the defintion that a woman is someone who is born a girl and now grown up into a woman and vice versa with boys and men. Gender in Danish is literally translated to Køn(which means biological sex). And I do know that lots of posters could show me pictures of transgender babe women and ask me and tell me thats not a women, but im sorry, for me there is a limit. A poster in this thread made a post saying that believing that transwomen arent real women is the same as believing that black people werent real humans and if you ask me that is such a disingenuous case of trying coherce people into believing an ideology. On the other hand it doesnt mean that we as a society shouldnt try to make life as easy as possible for a tiny minority of people, it just comes with a series of obstacles that in some cases are difficult to get around, such as same sex spaces in certain contexts, in medical language, in professional sports, prisons etc.
 
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NotThatSoph said:
He was fighting for the survival of the human race, apparently. Can't use the Caf when you're dead!
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He was fighting for free speech, dammit! In the same way that sticking your finger into a bowl of ice cream is fighting for the right to sing showtunes on Broadway completely in the nip. That doesn't work either, believe me. fecking police arrest you all the same.
 
A person who has transitioned in my view is different to someone who has simply declared their wish to identify as the opposite gender.

It's no coincidence that pushback really didn't come to the fore until this idea of self-identifcation became a thing, moreover when entitlement to women's spaces became demanding based on self-identification alone .
 
The DM and Kid Rock are strange bedfellows.

 
stw2022 said:
A person who has transitioned in my view is different to someone who has simply declared their wish to identify as the opposite gender.

It's no coincidence that pushback really didn't come to the fore until this idea of self-identifcation became a thing, moreover when entitlement to women's spaces became demanding based on self-identification alone .
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This isn't accurate though. Self-ID used to be a uncontroversial acceptable position across the political spectrum. It has been in place in the Republic of Ireland for 7 years and was Conservative Party policy until about 5 years ago when they had their internal far-right coup. The reason the pushback has emerged now is because culture wars are 'in' and the bigots have managed to found a couple of spokespeople who have media connections and are capable of stringing sentences together without using slurs (generally older liberals who consider themselves "right-on" but haven't updated their world view since the 90s and generally hate every progressive movement that's happened since).
 
There are safe spaces for trans people. That's because trans people face discrimination and physical abuse. The idea someone who is cis could gain access to those spaces designed exclusively for trans people, simply by them declaring that they 'identify' as trans would be something that would understandably raise concerns

If we accept that why are women who want to keep men out of their spaces told self-declaration of gender identity is sufficient?
 
jeff_goldblum said:
This isn't accurate though. Self-ID used to be a uncontroversial acceptable position across the political spectrum. It has been in place in the Republic of Ireland for 7 years and was Conservative Party policy until about 5 years ago when they had their internal far-right coup. The reason the pushback has emerged now is because culture wars are 'in' and the bigots have managed to found a couple of spokespeople who have media connections and are capable of stringing sentences together without using slurs (generally older liberals who consider themselves "right-on" but haven't updated their world view since the 90s and generally hate every progressive movement that's happened since).
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Absolutely not. I feel, therefore I am, is an incredibly modern entitlement.

I know trans people and how they struggled with changing identity. The trauma, physical and emotional. The abuse. The isolation. Everything. And I have tremendous respect for them and wish them every right in the world. They are NOT the same as self-identifiyers who make up a sexuality (im rhombosexual, which means im physically attracted to men whose cock resemblesa rhombus), die their hair purple and decide a week by week basis if they're cis or trans and insist their pronouns resemble Sooty casting a magic spell (zim/zam/zee)

It actually pisses me off that, albeit well-meaning, progressives have decided the feck wits and their demands represent ordinary trans folk. The damage these entitled children are doing to the trans movement is disgusting and dangerous. Defenders of this shit would do well to actually get to know some real life trans people, not those cosplaying "trans queer" on Twitter because they've found an Instagram filter that makes them look feminine and really like knee-length white socks.

Because the lives of actual every day trans people is infinitely more shit because of them. What did they do to deserve being associated with people who declare themselves wolves and sexual attractions to cooking utensils?
 
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stw2022 said:
Absolutely not. I feel, therefore I am, is an incredibly modern entitlement.

I know trans people and how they struggled with changing identity. The trauma, physical and emotional. The abuse. The isolation. Everything. And I have tremendous respect for them and wish them every right in the world. They are NOT the same as self-identifiyers who make up a sexuality (im rhombosexual, which means im physically attracted to men whose cock resemblesa rhombus), die their hair purple and decide a week by week basis if they're cis or trans and insist their pronouns resemble Sooty casting a magic spell (zim/zam/zee)

It actually pisses me off that, albeit well-meaning, progressives have decided the feck wits and their demands represent ordinary trans folk. The damage these entitled children are doing to the trans movement is disgusting and dangerous. Defenders of this shit would do well to actually get to know some real life trans people, not those cosplaying "trans queer" on Twitter because they've found an Instagram filter that makes them look feminine and really like knee-length white socks.

Because the lives of actual every day trans people is infinitely more shit because of them. What did they do to deserve being associated with people who declare themselves wolves and sexual attractions to cooking utensils?
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And that's where you lost any and all credibility. Nice try, though.
 
Jippy said:
The DM and Kid Rock are strange bedfellows.

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I mean, it is pretty stupid that Nike, a well known sports brand, would pass on the many many female athletes (who probably use their sports bras) as an ambassador for a trans women who has no relevance in sport. The England women’s team who have won the Euros last year and the Finalissima last week could probably put forward 24 female athletes who would be better ambassadors than a trans actress/comedienne/YouTuber. On top of that, Dylan would have had breast surgery as well. If you’re promoting a sports bra, surely you’d want to showcase it for the many boob types/sizes that biological women have as opposed to someone who has had artificial surgery.

I’m sure there’s something ironic that the brand is named after the Goddess of victory / sport etc and it’s gone to a non-sports person as well.
 
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