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Transgender rights discussion
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a side benefit of employer power and/or the PC mob.
The letter opens with the statement "Today, J.K.Rowling re-stated her position on transgender lives."
When did she restate her position? Is this just meant to mean the release of her newest book?
https://www.genderhq.org/blog/2020/8/31/oe82n853k6ms9w1mmaj95qp1cn8u2b
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Worse is that they always present themselves as experts in that field. Me, a nobody knows better than to write something that could offend publicly, surprised that people in the spotlight don't know any better.
Summary of the responses to a post about trans people self-harming and attempting suicide:
- A woman helped her trans daughter get SRS in Thailand.
- If it's bad that Rowling being a transphobe is making people attempt suicide, isn't it bad to point out that her transphobic statements are hurting trans people?
- Is it true that Rowling has restated her views (with a provided link from a terf organization, of course)?
To reiterate, this is apparently what we should focus on when the topic is self-harm and suicide attempts. I fecking hate the Internet sometimes.
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Looks like all the kerfuffle hasn’t harmed the book sales one bit. Probably helped them?
To conclude, the freak out on Twitter about this book hasn’t stopped it becoming a number one best seller and Mermaids are claiming that the more coverage Rowling’s alleged transphobia gets in the media, the more harm is done to the mental health of trans men and women. So this #ripjkrowling campaign has been spectacularly self-defeating.
To conclude, the freak out on Twitter about this book hasn’t stopped it becoming a number one best seller and Mermaids are claiming that the more coverage Rowling’s alleged transphobia gets in the media, the more harm is done to the mental health of trans men and women. So this #ripjkrowling campaign has been spectacularly self-defeating.
Why do I get the feeling that you'd be happy if this were the case?
Rich woman getting richer won’t fill me with joy, no. But I guess it is good to see Twitter hysteria backfire. Just a terrible shame that there are real casualties here (if we believe Mermaid’s version of events).
That shirt is from a shop that sells loads and loads of anti trans stuff. https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09...ns-online-store-14-million-twitter-followers/
She’s just a hateful person.
At least a few Caftards have found a new place to do some online shopping.
She’s really niggling the trans folk.
“feck your pronouns” is one badge that stood out from their items.
Are there alternative versions that question the charity's reporting?
Are we judging the merits of a campaign on the success of its outcomes then, or saying that trying to draw attention to the discriminatory behaviour by someone who also happens to be a hugely successful seller of books, is worthy of derision, just because that person sold some more books?
Trump is the biggest winner in the world. In money and politics he beats all his critics. Does that undermine the validity of the criticism or discredit the rape allegations?
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Rowling looks to be stuck in that same masochistic cyclone that swallowed Glinner up. There's only so many times you can shoot yourself in the foot and still manage to walk away from it.
Is getting attention really this important. Surely she must have people around her to convince her to simply stop making a fool of herself?
Don't worry, someone will be in here to defend this shortly and talk about how this is all the fault of the twitter pile on and she's being perfectly reasonable.
The more she goes down this road the more disgusted I've become with her. That's saying this as someone that loved and grew up with her Harry Potter books, it's almost painful that I'm reaching a point where I can't stand her.
I love books and I like harry Potter. I won't hesitate for one second to state that she is seriously misguided here.
What's a good to read about the arguments of both sides - Rowling and her critics, which isn't presenting the same thought an obvious agenda?
From the initial bits I read I felt her view was understandable and that the criticism was well over the top. And from what I read here she's being blamed for people harming themselves? Again, seems a ridiculous accusation to make. But I'd like to properly understand both sides on this one.
From the initial bits I read I felt her view was understandable and that the criticism was well over the top. And from what I read here she's being blamed for people harming themselves? Again, seems a ridiculous accusation to make. But I'd like to properly understand both sides on this one.
Are you saying that it's ridiculous to believe Mermaids, or that it's ridiculous to put some amount of blame on Rowling just because some people have harmed themselves and attempted suicide because of Rowling?
I think Rowling has indulged in transphobic speech both in her tweets and in the long essay she published. But I also believe there has been no clear call of violence against trans people in either domain by her. The issue then is do we qualify anything adjudicated to be transphobic as hate speech on par with someone saying N word or anti-semitic remarks? In fact even if it qualifies as hate speech (I personally don't think any of Rowling's utterances on this subject qualify as such), establishing it as a causation of self harm by others is a reach since generally harm by others is accepted as a consequence of hate speech. I understand that due to discrimination and lack of acceptance, trans folks especially young ones are susceptible to such behaviours but you can not ban any kind of debate or discussion on this subject all together due to this reason.
The fact is that Mermaids has released a statement that they as an organization have been in contact with trans people who say they have have self-harmed and/or attempted suicide because of what Rowling is saying about them.
We have a few alternatives here:
1) This is true.
2) Mermaids UK are lying.
3) The trans people lied to Mermaids UK.
4) The trans people are not lying, but they are wrong about why they are engaging in self-harm or attempting suicide.
We're not talking about hypotheticals here, we are talking about specific people who have been in contact with Mermaids UK for support. It's only a reach to establish a causation if you think 1) is false.
I don't think anyone is talking about hate speech or bans, especially not Mermaids UK. If you actually read their statement and their letter to Rowling I'm sure you'll agree.
A clinician from Tavistock (a trans youth clinic in the UK) has formerly said " “Mermaids push simplistic views, emotional blackmail and conscious misinformation at parents. They do so much harm.” from https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e0c5692e-8f8d-11e9-845f-5fdba6fd3f52
Personally I feel there is a level of emotional blackmail in the mermaids open letter to J.K Rowling however I find her linking merchandise to a antitrans shop in very poor taste. I'm not going to defend her.
Personally I feel there is a level of emotional blackmail in the mermaids open letter to J.K Rowling however I find her linking merchandise to a antitrans shop in very poor taste. I'm not going to defend her.
Or even if there are people who causing self harm, they /their families cannot be allowed to attribute it to a writer who has a differing view?
I do think there should be an open and free debate on these topics which is free from hate, abuse hurling and demonising. But to be honest I haven't kept up with this thread and it's hard to tell who exactly is being demonised. When I read Rowling's initial blog post it didn't seem anything out of the ordinary and yet people went mental over it becuase.. Harry Potter is our childhood ,or something. Not sure if she's lost the plot since then but the above post by this Mermaid entity seems to be telling her to temper things without highlighting at which point she crossed the boundaries she shouldn't have , which makes it a bit confusing. What did Rowling say for people to be able attribute their actions and struggles on her?
There is no or, 1-4 are the only alternatives. You might claim that trans people who self-harm and/or attempt suicide shouldn't be allowed to open their mouths about why they are doing it if it's because of Rowling, or that even if they should be allowed to that it's morally wrong for them to let anyone know what the reason is, but if it's because of Rowling then it is because of Rowling.
I did not dispute any of this in my post. My point even if it comes across as too crass is that if trans folks for any reason are facing mental health issues due to raging debate caused by Rowling being an out and proud TERF then the solution for that can not be curbing any speech by Rowling on this issue. Solution might be not indulging her anymore because the increase attention to her tweets on this subject fuels the fire more and more. It is clear she is not going to back down on this issue so either go full "cancel culture" which frankly is not feasible given the legacy of Harry Potter series, or might as well let her be rather than highlighting every month as to how she has been transphobic in the latest instance.
If your issue is that Rowling herself should see that young trans folks are not harming herself due to this controversy, I am certain her stance would be that if trans activities had not hounded her and made this into a controversy then there would not be an issue. If she feels strongly about gender critical/TERF issue then it is not feasible to expect her to not espouse it anymore given that she seems to be the kind of celebrity who is willing to let go of the normal PC facade for her beliefs.
I responded to you calling it a reach to establish causation. I don't see how that can mean anything other than disputing 1), but if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
I don't see anyone curbing Rowling's speech, or even trying to, so I don't know what you want me to say here, sorry.
Here on the CAF or in the general public/social media?
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I have a couple of thoughts about Mermaids on this issue.
First of all, the direct link to suicides and Rowling’s tweets seems tenuous. With all the shit a trans person must have gone through in order to decide to end their life, it seems unlikely (and unfair) to blame their death on Rowling. If nothing else, making unsubstantiated (and unsubstantiatable?) accusations like this will harm their own credibility.
Secondly, I found it strange when they released a press release - which was obviously intended to get as much exposure as possible - the gist of which was that this “debate” in the media is causing undue stress to young trans people. This was in response to a media storm about her new book that Rowling hadn’t contributed to at all, which was starting to die down when they issued their press release. If their primary concern was getting Rowling and her opinions off the front pages, why issue a press release with her name in the title?!
These two issues aside, I don’t have any strong opinions on their broader strategies and goals. I’m sure they do a lot of good work and I don’t have any problem with their criticism of Rowling’s opinions. I just think the tactics we’re discussing here could have been thought through a bit better.
That wasn't the point at all. Just because someone causes themselves harm attributing it (supposedly) to Rowling doesn't necessarily implicate Rowling, was my point. It has to be seen whether there was substantial reason for their actions to be pinned to hers. Otherwise, anyone can clam their suffering is due to anyone and blame their troubles on them. I might commit suicide because I can't deal with work pressure, but that doesn't mean one instantly blames my colleagues. Of course if I knew people were troubled because of me, I'd probably stop what I'm doing/'saying, but I'm speaking in general terms here and as an outsider. I'd like read to read more about Rowlings statements to form a view.
The loathing of trans people (trans Women in particular) by a lot of rad fems emanates from a position of misandry, in Rowling's case this most likely grew out of her abusive relationship with her ex husband who is completely detestable. This then becomes the very thing they claim to be victims of, misogyny, when they attack trans Women (for not being effeminate enough, for being too effeminate, for being just a "man in a dress")...
The problem with Twitter is that opinions are already formed, people are on there to convince others, not have their own opinions changed. The ferocity and arguments used get more extreme on both sides in an effort to disprove the other person. Until the point whereby their original arguments are defunct and it's a concoction of extreme views and falsification - on both sides. As Friedrich Nietzsche said - 'He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.' Twitter is the abyss and these people spend all of their lives hitting refresh for the next battle.
Rowling has rather intelligently used this to spearhead her reputation as a writer, the rather ludicrous fallout over the character of a man who wore a dress to murder victims was the accumulation of an extremely calculated plan. The right people fell for it.
However, Rowling has now shown her full hand - Robert Galbraith, her rather unfortunate pseudonym, is steeped in historical anti gay sentiment. One of the real Robert Galbraith's was a pioneer of gay conversion therapy claiming to have successfully converted a homosexual man to heterosexuality using electroshock therapy to the brain.
Promotion of an online store which is steeped in misandry, with anti male bric-a-brac ("Dead Men Don't Rape!?") and transphobic paraphernalia has shown just how extreme her views have become.
However, people may and still do argue that her views aren't extreme, that Mermaids are wrong and that there hasn't been any damage whatsoever. It could be said, that her antics have proved to be diversionary. Hidden behind the Cold Twitter War something more sinister has happened, the reformation of the Gender Recognition Act was announced in England and Wales. Whilst everyone's attention was turned towards a character in a dress and the author's merciless barrage; behind the scenes the real issue of trans rights were being settled and the results were shocking - they slapped a discount on the process, keeping all that is wrong with it intact.
This folder is currently the most important part of my life right now, in fact it holds my life, held within are years of evidence to prove that I am who I say. In depth and deeply personal psychological assessments, dysphoria diagnosis reports, conversations between doctors, letters and payslips from work, job offers, redundancy correspondence and resignation acceptance.
Birthday and Christmas cards, utility bills, passport and drivers licence, letters from my oncologist, medical prescriptions and details of medical intervention.
Imagine if you had to collate evidence to present to a panel of judges whom you've never met, you'll never speak to, won't ask you questions or give you opportunity to answer, just to prove that you're you.
Just for legal recognition.
For me this is the difference between being able to do trivial things such as getting married as husband and wife.
It may not seem like much but for me it's my life, held in a case file, to be presented to the HM Courts & Tribunal Service.
Many trans people find the process invasive, costly and dehumanising, even more so than initial diagnosis. Applications can be rejected by mere technicalities such as dosages of medication being listed incorrectly - which is why less than 10% pursue it.
The government announced three years ago that they'd look at improving the process as one of their key policies in reforming and improving legal recognition for trans people but due to overwhelming pressure from all sides delayed announcement.
Scotland look set to follow other Countries such as Ireland and implement a much improved process (Ireland has better human rights for trans people than England and Wales, just think about that for a moment, a Country that was so late to the single sex marriage table). This would lead to a two tier process within the UK whereby trans people North of the border can achieve legal recognition without jumping through all the hoops.
Following a leaked report in June which showed that the UK government were actually looking to reverse and potentially revoke the Act which contains the process for legal recognition it is at least a relief that the government have now stated that there are currently no plans either way. There is currently a strong and growing resentment of the trans community in the UK, many of the extremes are pushing for revoking the Act completely, this would mirror what has happened this year with EU member state Hungary which revoked all legal recognition for trans people.
This would mean no legal protection, no human rights. The shop which Rowling has promoted even sells items calling for this.
They are calling for sex segregation because ya know, a hulk on testosterone is far safer than having myself use the ladies... I know who I am, on the third climb of a three peaks hike some ladies coming the opposite way exclaimed "she looks absolutely knackered!" gesturing towards me, my boyfriend turned to me with the biggest grin ever knowing I'd be brimming. No makeup, sweaty and they were correct, I was absolutely knackered, "I don't know whether to be offended or what" I laughed, they saw me for who I am.
What the rad fems don't seem to understand is that if they got their way it'd be just as easy for an effeminate male predator to claim to be a biological Woman on testosterone to enter their toilets as it is the other way around. You tell me who should be where and who would be safer in which toilet if this is how you see us, considering how uncomfortable others using them may be:
They are calling for the new legislation which is being discussed regarding making misogyny a hate crime to exclude Trans Women, almost as though we ourselves aren't subjected to it. I can categorically state I am.
They call on outlawing surrogacy because gay Men don't make good parents and "wombs aren't for sale", completely missing the fact that straight couples also use surrogacy.
Let's be clear, like in Hungary the reversal of trans rights didn't just affect trans people. There are now LGBT free areas. Women's rights have taken massive steps backwards. The attacks on trans people aren't just a concerted effort to demean and eradicate trans people's legal rights, trans people are just the easier target. They're not just coming for my rights, they'll be knocking on your doors as Men, Fathers, Husbands and Homosexuals. They are the personification of a Karen.
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The loathing of trans people (trans Women in particular) by a lot of rad fems emanates from a position of misandry, in Rowling's case this most likely grew out of her abusive relationship with her ex husband who is completely detestable. This then becomes the very thing they claim to be victims of, misogyny, when they attack trans Women (for not being effeminate enough, for being too effeminate, for being just a "man in a dress")...
The problem with Twitter is that opinions are already formed, people are on there to convince others, not have their own opinions changed. The ferocity and arguments used get more extreme on both sides in an effort to disprove the other person. Until the point whereby their original arguments are defunct and it's a concoction of extreme views and falsification - on both sides. As Friedrich Nietzsche said - 'He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.' Twitter is the abyss and these people spend all of their lives hitting refresh for the next battle.
Rowling has rather intelligently used this to spearhead her reputation as a writer, the rather ludicrous fallout over the character of a man who wore a dress to murder victims was the accumulation of an extremely calculated plan. The right people fell for it.
However, Rowling has now shown her full hand - Robert Galbraith, her rather unfortunate pseudonym, is steeped in historical anti gay sentiment. One of the real Robert Galbraith's was a pioneer of gay conversion therapy claiming to have successfully converted a homosexual man to heterosexuality using electroshock therapy to the brain.
Promotion of an online store which is steeped in misandry, with anti male bric-a-brac ("Dead Men Don't Rape!?") and transphobic paraphernalia has shown just how extreme her views have become.
However, people may and still do argue that her views aren't extreme, that Mermaids are wrong and that there hasn't been any damage whatsoever. Hidden behind the cold Twitter War something more sinister has happened, the reformation of the Gender Recognition Act was announced in England and Wales. Whilst everyone's attention was turned towards a character in a dress and the author's merciless barrage behind the scenes, the real issue of trans rights were being settled and the results were shocking - they slapped a discount on the process, keeping all that is wrong with it intact.
This folder is currently the most important part of my life right now, in fact it holds my life, held within are years of evidence to prove that I am who I say. In depth and deeply personal psychological assessments, dysphoria diagnosis reports, conversations between doctors, letters and payslips from work, job offers, redundancy correspondence and resignation acceptance.
Birthday and Christmas cards, utility bills, passport and drivers licence, letters from my oncologist, medical prescriptions and details of medical intervention.
Imagine if you had to collate evidence to present to a panel of judges whom you've never met, you'll never speak to, won't ask you questions or give you opportunity to answer, just to prove that you're you.
Just for legal recognition.
For me this is the difference between being able to do trivial things such as getting married as husband and wife.
It may not seem like much but for me it's my life, held in a case file, to be presented to the HM Courts & Tribunal Service.
Many trans people find the process invasive, costly and dehumanising, even more so than initial diagnosis. Applications can be rejected by mere technicalities such as dosages of medication being listed incorrectly - which is why less than 10% pursue it.
The government announced three years ago that they'd look at improving the process as one of their key policies in reforming and improving legal recognition for trans people but due to overwhelming pressure from all sides delayed announcement.
Scotland look set to follow other Countries such as Ireland and implement a much improved process (Ireland has better human rights for trans people than England and Wales, just think about that for a moment, a Country that was so late to the single sex marriage table). This would lead to a two tier process within the UK whereby trans people North of the border can achieve legal recognition without jumping through all the hoops.
Following a leaked report in June which showed that the UK government were actually looking to reverse and potentially revoke the Act which contains the process for legal recognition it is at least a relief that the government have now stated that there are currently no plans either way. There is currently a strong and growing resentment of the trans community in the UK, many of the extremes are pushing for revoking the Act completely, this would mirror what has happened this year with EU member state Hungary which revoked all legal recognition for trans people.
This would mean no legal protection, no human rights. The shop which Rowling has promoted even sells items calling for this.
They are calling for sex segregation because ya know, a hulk on testosterone is far safer than having myself using the ladies... What they don't seem to understand is that it's just as easy for an effeminate male predator to claim to be a biological Woman on testosterone to enter their toilets as it is the other way around. You tell me who should be where and who would be safer where...
I know who I am, on the third climb of a three peaks hike some ladies coming the opposite way exclaimed "she looks absolutely knackered!" gesturing towards me, my boyfriend turned to me with the biggest grin ever. No makeup, sweaty and absolutely knackered, "I don't know whether to be offended or what" I laughed. That is me.
They are calling for the new legislation which is being discussed regarding making misogyny a hate crime to exclude Trans Women, almost as though we ourselves aren't subjected to it. I can categorically state I am.
They call on outlawing surrogacy because gay Men don't make good parents and "wombs aren't for sale", completely missing the fact that straight couples also use surrogacy.
Let's be clear, like in Hungary the reversal of trans rights didn't just affect trans people. There are now LGBT free areas. Women's rights have taken massive steps backwards. The attacks on trans people aren't just a concerted effort to demean and eradicate trans people's legal rights, trans people are just the easier target. They're not just coming for my rights, they'll be knocking on your doors as Men, Fathers, Homosexuals. They are the personification of a Karen.
Great post. You’re dead right about the misandry that permeates a lot of the TERFy rage. I’ve been a fascinated onlooker to the eternal Twitter war and that’s an element that really stands out.
Also, fair play to you for sharing so much of your own journey on here. It’s a great learning experience for auld cnuts like me, who are the wrong side of a generation gap in all of this.
The loathing of trans people (trans Women in particular) by a lot of rad fems emanates from a position of misandry, in Rowling's case this most likely grew out of her abusive relationship with her ex husband who is completely detestable. This then becomes the very thing they claim to be victims of, misogyny, when they attack trans Women (for not being effeminate enough, for being too effeminate, for being just a "man in a dress")...
The problem with Twitter is that opinions are already formed, people are on there to convince others, not have their own opinions changed. The ferocity and arguments used get more extreme on both sides in an effort to disprove the other person. Until the point whereby their original arguments are defunct and it's a concoction of extreme views and falsification - on both sides. As Friedrich Nietzsche said - 'He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.' Twitter is the abyss and these people spend all of their lives hitting refresh for the next battle.
Rowling has rather intelligently used this to spearhead her reputation as a writer, the rather ludicrous fallout over the character of a man who wore a dress to murder victims was the accumulation of an extremely calculated plan. The right people fell for it.
However, Rowling has now shown her full hand - Robert Galbraith, her rather unfortunate pseudonym, is steeped in historical anti gay sentiment. One of the real Robert Galbraith's was a pioneer of gay conversion therapy claiming to have successfully converted a homosexual man to heterosexuality using electroshock therapy to the brain.
Promotion of an online store which is steeped in misandry, with anti male bric-a-brac ("Dead Men Don't Rape!?") and transphobic paraphernalia has shown just how extreme her views have become.
However, people may and still do argue that her views aren't extreme, that Mermaids are wrong and that there hasn't been any damage whatsoever. Hidden behind the cold Twitter War something more sinister has happened, the reformation of the Gender Recognition Act was announced in England and Wales. Whilst everyone's attention was turned towards a character in a dress and the author's merciless barrage behind the scenes, the real issue of trans rights were being settled and the results were shocking - they slapped a discount on the process, keeping all that is wrong with it intact.
This folder is currently the most important part of my life right now, in fact it holds my life, held within are years of evidence to prove that I am who I say. In depth and deeply personal psychological assessments, dysphoria diagnosis reports, conversations between doctors, letters and payslips from work, job offers, redundancy correspondence and resignation acceptance.
Birthday and Christmas cards, utility bills, passport and drivers licence, letters from my oncologist, medical prescriptions and details of medical intervention.
Imagine if you had to collate evidence to present to a panel of judges whom you've never met, you'll never speak to, won't ask you questions or give you opportunity to answer, just to prove that you're you.
Just for legal recognition.
For me this is the difference between being able to do trivial things such as getting married as husband and wife.
It may not seem like much but for me it's my life, held in a case file, to be presented to the HM Courts & Tribunal Service.
Many trans people find the process invasive, costly and dehumanising, even more so than initial diagnosis. Applications can be rejected by mere technicalities such as dosages of medication being listed incorrectly - which is why less than 10% pursue it.
The government announced three years ago that they'd look at improving the process as one of their key policies in reforming and improving legal recognition for trans people but due to overwhelming pressure from all sides delayed announcement.
Scotland look set to follow other Countries such as Ireland and implement a much improved process (Ireland has better human rights for trans people than England and Wales, just think about that for a moment, a Country that was so late to the single sex marriage table). This would lead to a two tier process within the UK whereby trans people North of the border can achieve legal recognition without jumping through all the hoops.
Following a leaked report in June which showed that the UK government were actually looking to reverse and potentially revoke the Act which contains the process for legal recognition it is at least a relief that the government have now stated that there are currently no plans either way. There is currently a strong and growing resentment of the trans community in the UK, many of the extremes are pushing for revoking the Act completely, this would mirror what has happened this year with EU member state Hungary which revoked all legal recognition for trans people.
This would mean no legal protection, no human rights. The shop which Rowling has promoted even sells items calling for this.
They are calling for sex segregation because ya know, a hulk on testosterone is far safer than having myself using the ladies... What they don't seem to understand is that it's just as easy for an effeminate male predator to claim to be a biological Woman on testosterone to enter their toilets as it is the other way around. You tell me who should be where and who would be safer where...
I know who I am, on the third climb of a three peaks hike some ladies coming the opposite way exclaimed "she looks absolutely knackered!" gesturing towards me, my boyfriend turned to me with the biggest grin ever. No makeup, sweaty and absolutely knackered, "I don't know whether to be offended or what" I laughed. That is me.
They are calling for the new legislation which is being discussed regarding making misogyny a hate crime to exclude Trans Women, almost as though we ourselves aren't subjected to it. I can categorically state I am.
They call on outlawing surrogacy because gay Men don't make good parents and "wombs aren't for sale", completely missing the fact that straight couples also use surrogacy.
Let's be clear, like in Hungary the reversal of trans rights didn't just affect trans people. There are now LGBT free areas. Women's rights have taken massive steps backwards. The attacks on trans people aren't just a concerted effort to demean and eradicate trans people's legal rights, trans people are just the easier target. They're not just coming for my rights, they'll be knocking on your doors as Men, Fathers, Homosexuals. They are the personification of a Karen.
Good post on the heart of the matter.
Thanks for the time and the emotional energy you put into that.
The loathing of trans people (trans Women in particular) by a lot of rad fems emanates from a position of misandry, in Rowling's case this most likely grew out of her abusive relationship with her ex husband who is completely detestable. This then becomes the very thing they claim to be victims of, misogyny, when they attack trans Women (for not being effeminate enough, for being too effeminate, for being just a "man in a dress")...
The problem with Twitter is that opinions are already formed, people are on there to convince others, not have their own opinions changed. The ferocity and arguments used get more extreme on both sides in an effort to disprove the other person. Until the point whereby their original arguments are defunct and it's a concoction of extreme views and falsification - on both sides. As Friedrich Nietzsche said - 'He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.' Twitter is the abyss and these people spend all of their lives hitting refresh for the next battle.
Rowling has rather intelligently used this to spearhead her reputation as a writer, the rather ludicrous fallout over the character of a man who wore a dress to murder victims was the accumulation of an extremely calculated plan. The right people fell for it.
However, Rowling has now shown her full hand - Robert Galbraith, her rather unfortunate pseudonym, is steeped in historical anti gay sentiment. One of the real Robert Galbraith's was a pioneer of gay conversion therapy claiming to have successfully converted a homosexual man to heterosexuality using electroshock therapy to the brain.
Promotion of an online store which is steeped in misandry, with anti male bric-a-brac ("Dead Men Don't Rape!?") and transphobic paraphernalia has shown just how extreme her views have become.
However, people may and still do argue that her views aren't extreme, that Mermaids are wrong and that there hasn't been any damage whatsoever. Hidden behind the cold Twitter War something more sinister has happened, the reformation of the Gender Recognition Act was announced in England and Wales. Whilst everyone's attention was turned towards a character in a dress and the author's merciless barrage behind the scenes, the real issue of trans rights were being settled and the results were shocking - they slapped a discount on the process, keeping all that is wrong with it intact.
This folder is currently the most important part of my life right now, in fact it holds my life, held within are years of evidence to prove that I am who I say. In depth and deeply personal psychological assessments, dysphoria diagnosis reports, conversations between doctors, letters and payslips from work, job offers, redundancy correspondence and resignation acceptance.
Birthday and Christmas cards, utility bills, passport and drivers licence, letters from my oncologist, medical prescriptions and details of medical intervention.
Imagine if you had to collate evidence to present to a panel of judges whom you've never met, you'll never speak to, won't ask you questions or give you opportunity to answer, just to prove that you're you.
Just for legal recognition.
For me this is the difference between being able to do trivial things such as getting married as husband and wife.
It may not seem like much but for me it's my life, held in a case file, to be presented to the HM Courts & Tribunal Service.
Many trans people find the process invasive, costly and dehumanising, even more so than initial diagnosis. Applications can be rejected by mere technicalities such as dosages of medication being listed incorrectly - which is why less than 10% pursue it.
The government announced three years ago that they'd look at improving the process as one of their key policies in reforming and improving legal recognition for trans people but due to overwhelming pressure from all sides delayed announcement.
Scotland look set to follow other Countries such as Ireland and implement a much improved process (Ireland has better human rights for trans people than England and Wales, just think about that for a moment, a Country that was so late to the single sex marriage table). This would lead to a two tier process within the UK whereby trans people North of the border can achieve legal recognition without jumping through all the hoops.
Following a leaked report in June which showed that the UK government were actually looking to reverse and potentially revoke the Act which contains the process for legal recognition it is at least a relief that the government have now stated that there are currently no plans either way. There is currently a strong and growing resentment of the trans community in the UK, many of the extremes are pushing for revoking the Act completely, this would mirror what has happened this year with EU member state Hungary which revoked all legal recognition for trans people.
This would mean no legal protection, no human rights. The shop which Rowling has promoted even sells items calling for this.
They are calling for sex segregation because ya know, a hulk on testosterone is far safer than having myself using the ladies... What they don't seem to understand is that it's just as easy for an effeminate male predator to claim to be a biological Woman on testosterone to enter their toilets as it is the other way around. You tell me who should be where and who would be safer where...
I know who I am, on the third climb of a three peaks hike some ladies coming the opposite way exclaimed "she looks absolutely knackered!" gesturing towards me, my boyfriend turned to me with the biggest grin ever. No makeup, sweaty and absolutely knackered, "I don't know whether to be offended or what" I laughed. That is me.
They are calling for the new legislation which is being discussed regarding making misogyny a hate crime to exclude Trans Women, almost as though we ourselves aren't subjected to it. I can categorically state I am.
They call on outlawing surrogacy because gay Men don't make good parents and "wombs aren't for sale", completely missing the fact that straight couples also use surrogacy.
Let's be clear, like in Hungary the reversal of trans rights didn't just affect trans people. There are now LGBT free areas. Women's rights have taken massive steps backwards. The attacks on trans people aren't just a concerted effort to demean and eradicate trans people's legal rights, trans people are just the easier target. They're not just coming for my rights, they'll be knocking on your doors as Men, Fathers, Homosexuals. They are the personification of a Karen.
The reminder that it comes down to how we treat and respect people as individuals can easily get lost in twitter driven debate that often ends up focussing on extreme scenarios and hypothetical situations.
They seem delightful https://wildwomynworkshop.com/:
https://wildwomynworkshop.com/store...ranswomen-are-men-32mm-feminist-button-badge/
The antitrans merch isn't hidden, it's on their front page. There is no mistaking their raison d'etre, they are brazen.
For next time someone says they can't see how J.K Rowling's comments are transphobic.
https://wildwomynworkshop.com/store...ranswomen-are-men-32mm-feminist-button-badge/
The antitrans merch isn't hidden, it's on their front page. There is no mistaking their raison d'etre, they are brazen.
For next time someone says they can't see how J.K Rowling's comments are transphobic.
Well that was a very interesting websiteThey seem delightful https://wildwomynworkshop.com/:
https://wildwomynworkshop.com/store...ranswomen-are-men-32mm-feminist-button-badge/
The antitrans merch isn't hidden, it's on their front page. There is no mistaking their raison d'etre, they are brazen.
For next time someone says they can't see how J.K Rowling's comments are transphobic.
Thanks for sharing as always @Rudie.
The loathing of trans people (trans Women in particular) by a lot of rad fems emanates from a position of misandry, in Rowling's case this most likely grew out of her abusive relationship with her ex husband who is completely detestable. This then becomes the very thing they claim to be victims of, misogyny, when they attack trans Women (for not being effeminate enough, for being too effeminate, for being just a "man in a dress")...
The problem with Twitter is that opinions are already formed, people are on there to convince others, not have their own opinions changed. The ferocity and arguments used get more extreme on both sides in an effort to disprove the other person. Until the point whereby their original arguments are defunct and it's a concoction of extreme views and falsification - on both sides. As Friedrich Nietzsche said - 'He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.' Twitter is the abyss and these people spend all of their lives hitting refresh for the next battle.
Rowling has rather intelligently used this to spearhead her reputation as a writer, the rather ludicrous fallout over the character of a man who wore a dress to murder victims was the accumulation of an extremely calculated plan. The right people fell for it.
However, Rowling has now shown her full hand - Robert Galbraith, her rather unfortunate pseudonym, is steeped in historical anti gay sentiment. One of the real Robert Galbraith's was a pioneer of gay conversion therapy claiming to have successfully converted a homosexual man to heterosexuality using electroshock therapy to the brain.
Promotion of an online store which is steeped in misandry, with anti male bric-a-brac ("Dead Men Don't Rape!?") and transphobic paraphernalia has shown just how extreme her views have become.
However, people may and still do argue that her views aren't extreme, that Mermaids are wrong and that there hasn't been any damage whatsoever. Hidden behind the cold Twitter War something more sinister has happened, the reformation of the Gender Recognition Act was announced in England and Wales. Whilst everyone's attention was turned towards a character in a dress and the author's merciless barrage behind the scenes, the real issue of trans rights were being settled and the results were shocking - they slapped a discount on the process, keeping all that is wrong with it intact.
This folder is currently the most important part of my life right now, in fact it holds my life, held within are years of evidence to prove that I am who I say. In depth and deeply personal psychological assessments, dysphoria diagnosis reports, conversations between doctors, letters and payslips from work, job offers, redundancy correspondence and resignation acceptance.
Birthday and Christmas cards, utility bills, passport and drivers licence, letters from my oncologist, medical prescriptions and details of medical intervention.
Imagine if you had to collate evidence to present to a panel of judges whom you've never met, you'll never speak to, won't ask you questions or give you opportunity to answer, just to prove that you're you.
Just for legal recognition.
For me this is the difference between being able to do trivial things such as getting married as husband and wife.
It may not seem like much but for me it's my life, held in a case file, to be presented to the HM Courts & Tribunal Service.
Many trans people find the process invasive, costly and dehumanising, even more so than initial diagnosis. Applications can be rejected by mere technicalities such as dosages of medication being listed incorrectly - which is why less than 10% pursue it.
The government announced three years ago that they'd look at improving the process as one of their key policies in reforming and improving legal recognition for trans people but due to overwhelming pressure from all sides delayed announcement.
Scotland look set to follow other Countries such as Ireland and implement a much improved process (Ireland has better human rights for trans people than England and Wales, just think about that for a moment, a Country that was so late to the single sex marriage table). This would lead to a two tier process within the UK whereby trans people North of the border can achieve legal recognition without jumping through all the hoops.
Following a leaked report in June which showed that the UK government were actually looking to reverse and potentially revoke the Act which contains the process for legal recognition it is at least a relief that the government have now stated that there are currently no plans either way. There is currently a strong and growing resentment of the trans community in the UK, many of the extremes are pushing for revoking the Act completely, this would mirror what has happened this year with EU member state Hungary which revoked all legal recognition for trans people.
This would mean no legal protection, no human rights. The shop which Rowling has promoted even sells items calling for this.
They are calling for sex segregation because ya know, a hulk on testosterone is far safer than having myself using the ladies... What they don't seem to understand is that it's just as easy for an effeminate male predator to claim to be a biological Woman on testosterone to enter their toilets as it is the other way around. You tell me who should be where and who would be safer where...
I know who I am, on the third climb of a three peaks hike some ladies coming the opposite way exclaimed "she looks absolutely knackered!" gesturing towards me, my boyfriend turned to me with the biggest grin ever. No makeup, sweaty and absolutely knackered, "I don't know whether to be offended or what" I laughed. That is me.
They are calling for the new legislation which is being discussed regarding making misogyny a hate crime to exclude Trans Women, almost as though we ourselves aren't subjected to it. I can categorically state I am.
They call on outlawing surrogacy because gay Men don't make good parents and "wombs aren't for sale", completely missing the fact that straight couples also use surrogacy.
Let's be clear, like in Hungary the reversal of trans rights didn't just affect trans people. There are now LGBT free areas. Women's rights have taken massive steps backwards. The attacks on trans people aren't just a concerted effort to demean and eradicate trans people's legal rights, trans people are just the easier target. They're not just coming for my rights, they'll be knocking on your doors as Men, Fathers, Homosexuals. They are the personification of a Karen.
I never realised there was this sub-culture of angry lesbians.
You've clearly never met my girlfriend.
But it's the people on Twitter who make her a horrible person! It's their fault!
“Dykes hate cops“, “Dykes on bikes”.
Just two of the huge banners you can see regularly in San Fran during Pride Week.
Those girls don’t mess around.
Why does her sharing links to that website make any difference to what caused her to be radicalised?