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Im pretty sure I thought I was a Power Ranger or a Hero Turtle, to fecking long ago I forgot.
How do school sports work in the US? Surely you have teams for everyone? B and C teams etc? Or do kids only play for the A team or not at all?
No need for that, let's clarify it right now. Should teenage transgender girls be able to complete in girls sports in school? Yes or no?
If you don't see the difference between telling a kid they failed at a goal and that's why they can't get in or telling a kid he can't get in because of who they are, then I guess that's that.
Depends on the size of the school and participation level within the sport... but generally, yes, there is a Varsity team, fed by a JV team, fed by a C team, fed by a D team. Smaller schools might only have a Varsity or Varsity & JV while large schools might have all 4.
Have they been diagnosed? Do you even comprehend how big a surgery is? This isn’t a case of having a hair cut mate, at some stage we need to look after our children, proper diagnosis, proper care and yes if it’s found they NEED transition, do it. It’s not a fecking raffle. We are doing more and more of no care, pop a pill and see you after school.
if you are born a different sex than that you identify with, there is a problem. That doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with them but if we take that as a *normal* thing we are letting ourselves down as a society.
What? I'm talking about this:
Don't you think those kids look happy, even the little girl?
What?
No, they should participate by competing for the male teams.
The same thing, by the way, that girls have had to do before a team got enough participation for a full squad.
If you don't see that you're being completely hypocritical and moving the goal posts regarding what's meritocratic and exclusionary, then I guess that's that.
Mate, I just said these kids aren't undergoing surgery, just stuff like puberty blockers that can be reversed later on if necessary. What are you on about?
We know full well the girls will never accept sharing locker rooms with boys or the humiliation of having other decide who they are so yeah, you can pretend all you want you're giving them a choice, but you know you're not. That's even worse then outright denying it.
So talk about hypocritical I guess...
really? You dont it’s ok to block, u block puberty and not see any problems? I’ve been on anxiety meds for 5 years and honestly they feck you right up; no hormones involved.
what about the boys?
That part isn't true. The reality of the matter is that we don't know how puberty blockers affect kids and we don't know if the potential effects are reversible. We are using actual kids as guinea pigs.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/
It's what the kids what, it helps their mental health, and if they decide later on they fecked up, it is reversed. I see no problem in that. These things are followed by professionals, kids don't do it on their living room if they're bored because the wifi is off.
Same thing. I focus on transgender girls because that's normally the focus of these discussions, but all I say applies to both.
My 2 kids want cola ice pops one day and strawberry the next day, I’m their dad, it’s my responsibility to say feck off and leave me alone.
I'm not a doctor, so I won't get into this debate in any serious way. I don't have the knowledge for it. Plenty of places say they are reversible, but anyway.
They work as a treatment that probably saves countless lives.
Where do you get your information from about this topic? Care to share some links?
I'm sure plenty of parents of kids who committed suicide over this are really happy they had your mindset.
So - for argument's sake, you would have no issue if a school authority made a wheelchair bound female basketball team play against an able bodied female team?
Says who?
And again, they might be both women with regard to gender, but not necessarily in a biological sense.
You don't seem to have a firm grasp on school sports then. There is a mix of competitive and recreational sports in schools.
You keep repeating that there will be no options for these children to take part in any sporting activity, but this is blatantly false when recreational sport (and mandatory physical education) will always be there. I'd wager the majority of any cohort do not participate in competitive sports inside or outside of their school environment.
Competitive sports (including those in schools) will always be at least somewhat exclusionary. Interest in a sport is not enough to necessitate an individual's participation in a competitive version of it.
Additionally, there are plenty of schools where, for a variety of reasons (including a lack of numbers), certain sports are simply not on the table for their pupils.
It's not perfect, but these things seldom are.
Anecdotally, my primary school used to beg boys to take part in netball because not enough girls were interested to even run proper practice sessions, let alone play competitively against other schools.
There were also girls (in my opinion, unfairly) "banned" from playing football after a certain age because it was no longer considered safe for them to play with boys, but a severe lack of girls teams in the area meant either quitting or travelling an obscene distance to find a new team, unless they were talented enough to be picked up by a proper academy.
I have a reasonable amount of experience with junior football coaching, and particularly in the younger age groups, almost every club is well oversubscribed in terms of interest versus the number of available spaces on each team, and this includes clubs with as many as six teams in an age category. These clubs will be almost guaranteed to see a fall in interest and participation as the teams progress through the age groups, and despite a wealth of interested parents/children at the start, there will not be a replacement rate of new participants as the years go by. This, coupled with playing-squad numbers increasing through the age categories until they reach 11-a-side will often mean teams "merging" and in a lot of these cases, some children will be "cut" from the team. However, this doesn't stop these children from playing in a recreational capacity.
Simply put, not all school or junior sports are about "inclusion, team spirit and friendship". They will be a core principle behind a lot of junior sports, but will not be at the forefront of competitive junior sports, where fairness of competition will be far more of a concern.
America in particular, feed their kids pills. Bad behaviour, give them a pill.
We are now saying to a boy, *oh u are a girl, ok I will go get the knife*
Can’t concentrate, pill. Our kids are OUR kids, yes I have no doubt mixed up gender is real but surgery at 10 or 11…. feck me it’s barbaric.
What kind of nonsense is this?
So no links then?
Sorry to double quote you, but you've definitely referenced "plenty of studies" without actually providing any sources for these for some of your claims around puberty blockers and other related issues.
I'm interested in seeing these because my understanding is that there is a severe lack of studies on these issues and it's one of the major talking points for those opposed to children being medicalised too soon. One of the biggest criticisms and something that is essentially a scandal surrounding the UK's Tavistock Clinic is a lack of record keeping and a lack of supporting studies for the medical pathways they've been placing children on.
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Shit they wanted bubblegum?
Do you think excluding a kid because he's not good enough is the same as excluding a kid because of who they are? I mean, that's the crux of the matter.
I'm not arguing a kid banned from the school team will never be able to play sports again, I'm saying it's cruel to ban people based on who they are and it goes against what I believe should be the goals of sports in school.
Links to what? The internet is not god!
Very sad trolling on such a serious topic, especially to a post talking about children killing themselves. Anyway, you're a spurs fan, so I guess you're already being punished.
A question from an obvious troll? Really?
OK I will pretend you're really dumb for a minute. No, mate, having girls in wheelchairs competing against girls who are not on wheelchairs shouldn't happen. Sigh...
That's a really cool point!
They're too young to transition in any way and also if they don't transition that young, their growing advantages will stop them playing competitive sport.
If you have a child you know what they fell, it’s in you, even miles away you know. My kids are happy and if they needed to talk to me i would discuss it openly without any sign or feelinf of shame. You are posting like we shouldn’t have a discussion or understanding. You come across that this should be a normal thing to happen to a child. A kid wanting to transgender isn’t normal, but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing, but u need to understand we aren’t talking about changing a car here.
You're trolling, so I'm not replying to you anymore.
An obvious troll? I've literally never interacted with that poster on the forum before so whether he's a troll or not, it'll go over my head.
I'm assuming you're saying no because of the inherent advantage a person has over someone wheelchair bound in a game such as basketball. This same logic can be extrapolated to trans women in women sports re: there are inherent differences you can't get away from.
Im certainly not, if my kid came to me and said I wanna change gender at 11, I said yes it’s on me if he comes back in 5 years and says why did you let me do that? I’m responsible for them till they are 18, you make it sound like an oil change
That's a really cool point!
They're too young to transition in any way and also if they don't transition that young, their growing advantages will stop them playing competitive sport.
That's not a point but a question.
Just look at his posts in this last page of this thread. Pretty obvious, but I fell for it at first, so yeah...
I'm saying no because it would be impractical, not only because of the infrastructure necessary but also because the rules of the game are different. It would create a ridiculous scenario on the pitch with two teams playing two different sports.
Including a teenage transgender girl in a basketball team has nothing to do with the scenario you made up in your mind.