Transgender Athletes

[Shamwow]

Isn't it morally bankrupt to force biological females to compete against biological males?

Personally I don't think it automatically is, no.

 

[Carolina Red]

I think excluding people is pretty morally bankrupt to be honest.

So you think there should just be 1 league for everyone for every sport?

 

[Alex99]

Winning a game of sport is immaterial and inconsequential in the great scheme of things.

But it isn't when your performance in said sports are how you earn the money to put food on the table, and it's absolutely laughable that someone who was going on about elitism earlier is dismissing this just because they know little about it.

How on earth is someone's career and livelihood remotely immaterial and inconsequential?

If it's so immaterial, surely Laurel Hubbard would be content with her career as a male?

 

[oates]

You are and you can please stop engaging with me now because youre just as bad as him to be honest. Aren't you meant to be a mod or something?

WTF are you on about? If you'd bothered to ask I'd have given you a little insight into what it takes to train in a competitive sport whilst coming from a deprived background and no, does it say Staff next to my name?

 

[ChaddyP]

So you think there should just be 1 league for everyone for every sport?

and we all get an inclusion medal

 

[Shamwow]

So you think there should just be 1 league for everyone for every sport?

I think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.

 

[VorZakone]

Personally I don't think it automatically is, no.

Why not?

 

[Shamwow]

WTF are you on about? If you'd bothered to ask I'd have given you a little insight into what it takes to train in a competitive sport whilst coming from a deprived background and no, does it say Staff next to my name?

The situation described to me wasn't a deprived background.

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

I think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.

ding ding ding

 

[oates]

The situation described to me wasn't a deprived background.

We all have problems, we don't all have the same ones but you feel it is okay to gob off because yours was a certain type of problem.

 

[Carolina Red]

I think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.

Yeah, and you’ve argued against them.

 

[Shamwow]

Why not?

Because it doesn't show a complete lack of morals? Because it's not a black and white issue where all trans women are winning all the time?

 

[Shamwow]

We all have problems, we don't all have the same ones but you feel it is okay to gob off because yours was a certain type of problem.

What gobbing off are we talking about here? I'm just putting things into a different perspective.

 

[ChaddyP]

I think there is a solution somewhere that would be fair and inclusive. Many sports are already broken down by more than gender so its obviously not the only division possible.

would a transgender division make sense? Like the have the Paralympics . Always wondered why that isnt a thing

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

Because it doesn't show a complete lack of morals? Because it's not a black and white issue where all trans women are winning all the time?

As a biological male would you feel comfortable competing against women and beating them ? If you knew you were a whole other level would you still want to compete with the weaker folks because you're guaranteed to win ?

 

[VorZakone]

Because it doesn't show a complete lack of morals? Because it's not a black and white issue where all trans women are winning all the time?

Why do you think it's a lack of morality to avoid biological females competing against biological males? Seems like a stretch to me.

If a man wants to become a woman, fine. But your choice has consequences for other women. Don't be surprised if they don't want to compete against you. Women can flip the morality argument at you too, you know. Why do you want to compete with me?

 

[VorZakone]

would a transgender division make sense? Like the have the Paralympics . Always wondered why that isnt a thing

Probably not enough trans athletes? But long-term this is the way.

 

[Shamwow]

Why do you think it's a lack of morality to avoid biological females competing against biological males? Seems like a stretch to me.

If a man wants to become a woman, fine. But your choice has consequences for other women. Don't be surprised if they don't want to compete against you. Women can flip the morality argument at you too, you know. Why do you want to compete with me?

"if a man wants to become a woman, fine"

Aight I'm done with getting ganged up on by thinly veiled transphobes who have no issue with gross ableist jokes whilst lecturing me on morality, civility and fairness.

 

[VorZakone]

"if a man wants to become a woman, fine"

Aight I'm done with getting ganged up on by thinly veiled transphobes who have no issue with gross ableist jokes whilst lecturing me on morality, civility and fairness.

What's transphobic about that comment? I literally said it's fine.

 

[ChaddyP]

Probably not enough trans athletes? But long-term this is the way.

Build it and they will come I say.

Imagine being a transperson and hearing there is a specific division for you now where you can compete fairly on the world stage. You know you can train and compete against others fairly and openly and will lead others to try and train for it. I think it would actually help bring along the trans community in the long run.

 

[Jippy]

"if a man wants to become a woman, fine"

Aight I'm done with getting ganged up on by thinly veiled transphobes who have no issue with gross ableist jokes whilst lecturing me on morality, civility and fairness.

Chill, incel.

 

[marukomu]

If I stick my wife's knickers and bra on and say I am female, could I compete?

 

[Shamwow]

Chill, incel.

Ah, the mods have arrived.

 

[P-Ro]

Chill, incel.

Leave it out mate. He once had a stroke.

 

[arnie_ni]

What's transphobic about that comment? I literally said it's fine.

I have no idea

 

[oates]

Great innit? If you don't happen to agree with someone you're a transphobe (sic).

 

[arnie_ni]

If I stick my wife's knickers and bra on and say I am female, could I compete?

No need for this one right enough

 

[ChaddyP]

If I stick my wife's knickers and bra on and say I am female, could I compete?

I think you would need to do it for a year while maintaing 290 Ng/dl total test

 

[Carolina Red]

thinly veiled transphobes

Oh for fecks sake. This is bullshit

 

[NotThatSoph]

As a biological male would you feel comfortable competing against women and beating them ? If you knew you were a whole other level would you still want to compete with the weaker folks because you're guaranteed to win ?

We should probably wait until trans women start winning at least semi regularly before saying that they're guaranteed to win.

 

[Carolina Red]

Probably not enough trans athletes? But long-term this is the way.

This is how women’s wrestling was in the US a couple decades ago. Now it is one of the fastest growing sports in America.

Build it and they will come I say.

Bingo

 

[Shamwow]

Well this thread is a shining example of the shit hole this place has become.

We should probably wait until trans women start winning at least semi regularly before saying that they're guaranteed to win.

Let's not let reality get in the way of bigotry now.

 

[arnie_ni]

Well this thread is a shining example of the shit hole this place has become.


Let's not let reality get in the way of bigotry now.

No one here is being a bigot or transphobe

 

[oates]

Oh for fecks sake. This is bullshit

No no no no no. It's bigotry I tells you.

 

[Shamwow]

Oh for fecks sake. This is bullshit

There's a guy in here wondering why it might be transphobic to say a trans woman is a man who wants to become a woman.

 

[Carolina Red]

Well this thread is a shining example of the shit hole this place has become.

Yeah, and look when the thread took a bad turn.

 

[Shamwow]

No no no no no. It's bigotry I tells you.

Why don't you take the piss out of my stroke again.

 

[Carolina Red]

There's a guy in here wondering why it might be transphobic to say a trans woman is a man who wants to become a woman.

Don’t try that shit. You are calling people who have a legitimate disagreement with you on scientific grounds transphobic because you don’t like what they’re saying. It’s simple as.

 

[Shamwow]

Yeah, and look when the thread took a bad turn.

The point someone said something gross to another member and the mods just stood by or even joined in?

 

[arnie_ni]

There's a guy in here wondering why it might be transphobic to say a trans woman is a man who wants to become a woman.

Thats not what he said