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Transfer Tweets - Summer 2017 | Keep it on topic
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It really is embarrassing the media love in for Pep, he has literally achieved nothing so far whilst spending a ton of money.
Why is he allowed time to build his team whilst the likes of Jose get hammered every week for the minor of things?
Of course, the difference on the pitch between both teams was Messi, and in 2009 prime Rooney and Ronaldo barely sniffing the ball was a sign of what? Tactical genius by Ferguson?
The same thing you can say for Ferguson, without Cantona he had to spend for Yorke and Cole, without Nistelrooy he had to change for Rooney, Ronaldo or Tevez, and guess what, without Ronaldo or Tevez the performances from United in the Champions League were not at the same level.
It happens to everyone, call it Ferguson, Cruyjff, Guardiola, Mourinho, Benitez, Lobanovsky, Del Bosque.
You can train the same players with good metodology, with the best assistants, scouts, analysts, but you cannot turn Bacary Sagna to Daniel Alves, John O'Shea to Jaap Stam, or Gary Cahill to Ricardo Carvalho, they call it football.
It's a convenient excuse. I'm sure he'd be wanting to leave even if they finished 4th.
Of course if he wants to come to united it's all good.
Good old 'Arry.
Pep's a good coach. He's just not as good as many made him out to be when he was at Barca. Having Messi, Xavi, Iniesta et al makes a massive difference.
Better than Mou.
Better than Mou tbh
We already said the same thing at the same moment.Shit, even LVG or moyes could probably build a league winning side with half a billion pounds.
People always say Pep's a fraud because of the team he had but when he took over at Barca but they had just finished 3rd without a trophy and within 18 months they were La Liga, Copa del Rey, Champions League, Spanish Super Cup, European Super Cup and World Club Cup champions. His 2011 Barca team is the greatest club team in history. There's no way he wasn't behind all of that.
The City job is his hardest challenge and yes he had and always has had a lot of money at his disposal but so do all the great coaches these days. For me such a great manager is not suited to such a shite club and that might be a possible reason he could fail.
Anyway, sorry for the diversion. Transfer Tweets...
The City job is his hardest challenge and yes he had and always has had a lot of money at his disposal but so do all the great coaches these days. For me such a great manager is not suited to such a shite club and that might be a possible reason he could fail.
Anyway, sorry for the diversion. Transfer Tweets...
ExactlyBased on what? Jose has won the Champions League with two unfavoured teams. Pep has won it with possibly the strongest club side ever.
He's at Rangers for now.
In my opinion there is 0% chance Guardiola to be coach of Spain ever. He is one of the leaders of Catalunya independence movement. Brazil is a nice option, he would like to do it but i think its impossible for foreigner to take charge of their team. Quatar for the World Cup in 2022? Or FC Girona, owned by his own brother?! Only time will tell but, yeah, Guardiola will stay at least 5 years at City, thats for sure.
PS- Is it possible this discussion about Guardiola to be moved to a separete topic, couse here is after all the transfer forum?
I should have corrected to current Mou.
Why?
Because current Mourinho is not the same Mourinho between 2002/2010. Carrer Mourinho on that period for me was more impressive than Guardiola, Guardiola post 2010 is better than Mourinho imo.
Nothing you said was wrong, problem is when Guardiola did it with Barcelona he did it with a lot of unknow players at the time too, but sure Mourinho with Porto, first time Chelsea and Inter for me was the best.
Current Mourinho, sorry, for me not even best portuguese coach atm, but if this season he improves the quality of play I will be the first 1 to come here and say I was totally wrong.
And tbh, I too think Guardiola is going on the same direction as Mourinho, not on the way they see football, but not building teams with players relatively unknown, just overspending to win.
Not necessarily better, just different. Mourinho has won European cups with far lesser teams than Barca.
With other words I said the same as you in previous posts, I only said current Mou, not carrer Mou, just imo.
You missed the point, didn't you? The difference is so far Pep has been only winning when his squad is indisputably better. Mourinho, Ferguson, even FSW... at times did it against the odd when their teams were considered underdog in the competition.Of course, the difference on the pitch between both teams was Messi, and in 2009 prime Rooney and Ronaldo barely sniffing the ball was a sign of what? Tactical genius by Ferguson?
The same thing you can say for Ferguson, without Cantona he had to spend for Yorke and Cole, without Nistelrooy he had to change for Rooney, Ronaldo or Tevez, and guess what, without Ronaldo or Tevez the performances from United in the Champions League were not at the same level.
It happens to everyone, call it Ferguson, Cruyjff, Guardiola, Mourinho, Benitez, Lobanovsky, Del Bosque.
You can train the same players with good metodology, with the best assistants, scouts, analysts, but you cannot turn Bacary Sagna to Daniel Alves, John O'Shea to Jaap Stam, or Gary Cahill to Ricardo Carvalho, they call it football.
Every coach/manager need his players, that's true. However, to come in & decide to "change the play field" by brute forcing with spending while shitting on the squad inherited from previous regime is Moyes esque. Don't forget that squad achieved more the prior season than Pep with his new signings last season. That squad doesn't not lack experience of winning. Compare to SAF especially bringing the Cantona era in to compare is a joke. That United team severely lack winning mentality & that need a wholesale change in mentality without betraying club tradition. SAF succeeded. Running away from club with too much pride due to the pressure then picking a club with little tradition to upheld with plenty of financial flexibility is the definition of opportunistic.
SAF didn't run his mouth to become managerial legend even a decade into his career. Mourinho for his arrogance deserves the stick, but that's fair. However, for Pep to smooth sailing is strange when he is not too subtle about his ambition.
Making a squad player feel they're part of the team to achieve thing is also considered as good team building. O'shea, Cahill... may not be great as your cherry picking comparison, but do they feel they & the coaches make them feel they are less worthy to be in the winning teams. That's football too.
If you're just cherry picking "trend" like our infamous Tottenham fan then it works both way. Despite coming into last season with better squad at least on the paper, current Pep just came off a trophyless season. Take one year trend, then Maureen is better...
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No one cares about City. If pep were here, he'd be slaughtered.
Just my opinion
Everyone has their own opinion. I would say Pep is better than current Mou
No, you just missed my point tbh, I am not going to reply the same thing I said on previous posts, this is a transfer tweets thread, not City vs United, Mourinho vs Guardiola, sick and tired of these discussions, Ronaldo vs Messi and all that.
Nobody has the same football tastes, for you Alex Ferguson can be the better of all times, and I can counter argument and say to you why not Lobanovsky? Or Sacchi? Why Cruijjf?
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, just it is normal for United fans to say Pep only wins because he spends, just as Liverpool fans can point the fingers to say Mourinho spent more money on Pogba and Lukaku than Klopp in 2 seasons, and finished behind them.
I am out of this discussion for now mate, enjoy and don't take this very seriously, it is just football
Just to point we have similar opinions but we are not the same person
Martial would be great and we'd have finished higher than 6th
Just to point we have similar opinions but we are not the same person
These days is difficult to counter argument against popular opinion, just imagine having to discuss here in Portugal why I think Fernando Santos winning was a tragedy for the portuguese NT, everyone thinks this guy is crazy
Moving goal post (after starting the discussion)?No, you just missed my point tbh, I am not going to reply the same thing I said on previous posts, this is a transfer tweets thread, not City vs United, Mourinho vs Guardiola, sick and tired of these discussions, Ronaldo vs Messi and all that.
Nobody has the same football tastes, for you Alex Ferguson can be the better of all times, and I can counter argument and say to you why not Lobanovsky? Or Sacchi? Why Cruijjf?
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, just it is normal for United fans to say Pep only wins because he spends, just as Liverpool fans can point the fingers to say Mourinho spent more money on Pogba and Lukaku than Klopp in 2 seasons, and finished behind them.
I am out of this discussion for now mate, enjoy and don't take this very seriously, it is just football
Nothing to do with football taste. It's clear Pep won with the best team in the competition while in cases it's a clear punching above weight for other coaches. Counter argue that without football taste reasoning please.
L'pool fans can feel free to point fingers & say anything about league position but they're to play CL qualification while United is already officially in CL group stage in second pot after adding a trophy into club collection.
Better not coming back into this with some off mark point then you don't feel sick and tired of discussion, on a forum playing opinion game!!!
Such a genius. So he would have spent close to £400million by the end of this summer since he took over. It's so funny how only jose is termed as a cheque book manager yet this maniac is continuously spending crazy money.
And trust me , the team he is building is hardly anything great. They will still have stones and otamendi leading their back line. And have no proper holding midfielder bar fernandiniho , who is also ageing.
Starting what? I don't discuss, I only give my opinion, is it ok for you?
Really? So what, can I ask?
Not so clear for me that Barcelona 2009 had a better squad than United tbh.
Were my arguments all so bad, that nothing sounded reasonable to you? Sad.
Ah, now you counter argument, why can't I do the same?
Is that your best argument or don't you understand when you are on a forum, as such you don't insult personally no 1, you are free to say what you think. They used to call it Democracy
Is this the come n get me we all hoped for?
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Why do you need Mahrez? You have better players than him.
He's the last player our attack needs. We need pace and power.