Transfer Tweets - Summer 2015 | Stop Spamming - Discussion Should Relate to Tweets
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How do Guardiola amd Klopp not make sense in following on from LvG? Their brand of football, especially Pep's, would continue on naturally with the identity LvG is currently building.
I didn't even know he was still playing!
If he wants to leave and we pay his clause I guess he doesn't have a say. At least he can't be fishing for a new contract.
Selling De Gea to Madrid without getting Ramos would be a real kick in the teath. We'd basically be admitting their superiority.
Especially after having a pretty open stance about not selling without Ramos being involved. Unless they've offered a ridiculous fee which is extremely unlikely.
Nothing new there then, De Gea been very close to signing for RM since season ended
I said Mourinho or Simeone would not make sense. I agree that Klopp and especially Guardiola would be a natural succession plan. I am not sure if my post was misleading or if you did not read it properly.
The point I am trying to make here is that it's not strictly a question of past success or not, profile and footballing mentality is just as important. If we plan to play in a proactive style that aims at taking the initiative and imposing ourselves whether through possession or high pressing or whatever, the list should be made of managers who share those ideas, obviously the most successful like Guardiola and Klopp the better but we should not go for a totally different profile if they're not available. Doing that is the mark of a club with no plan or identity. It's a small time mentality that is only justifiable if you don't belong to the elite and merely desperate to join.
Exactly.
Not really. They hold all the cards here, unfortunately.
£50 mill for Di Maria, £20 odd mill for De Gea.
£70 million towards the Galactico?
Sorry, I must have misunderstood this part of your previous post.
I agree we need to try and maintain a continuity in terms of how we play, however there has to be a limit, for instance if we are down to a choice between Martinez and Simeone I think we'd have to be logical.
Great quote from Roy Keane about Di Maria potential move to PSG:
“It’s not a football move, it’s a lifestyle move. It tells me the player is weak and his wife runs his life.”
http://thefaithfulmufc.com/roy-keanes-cutting-comments-on-angel-di-marias-psg-move/?
“It’s not a football move, it’s a lifestyle move. It tells me the player is weak and his wife runs his life.”
http://thefaithfulmufc.com/roy-keanes-cutting-comments-on-angel-di-marias-psg-move/?
Either we let DDG go for free next summer or we get someone like Isco in return for him in this window.
That's what the Mail is good for, their impeccable Madrid sources
Always said that, first for breaking Madrid news is the Mail
Fake, had this this morning
Cowardly.
I dont think we will let ddg without getting ramos after maintaining our stance all of the time till now.
I wouldn't say so. The only difference is that Ramos has 2 years left on his contract compared to De Gea's one year and the club has already made it pretty clear that we're prepared to keep De Gea one more year at Old Trafford despite the probable financial loss next summer.
De Gea wants to join Real Madrid and Ramos wants to join United. Seems the same situation to me. If Sid Low is correct, Real Madrid have told Ramos they won't sell him under any circumstances, so we shouldn't bend over just because our hopes of getting Ramos are fading.
I'm far away from thinking that losing a transfer fee for De Gea is not that important, but the club have already taken that path and if we back down now, it'd make us a laughing stock and that utter cnut Perez would get his way for the millionth time. We've all been praising Woody for finally standing up to Madrid, so losing De Gea without getting Ramos wouldn't exactly improve our image. It'd be similar to Tottenham's strategy - acting tough until the last moment and then selling anyway. We aspire to be the biggest club in the world, so these situations are really fecking important, in my opinion.
We really are not lucky with those South Americans.
I think it would help if United offered a sun-bed to every new south American they want to sign.
No worries! Your scenario is a tricky one I admit. But I think it depends on where we are at the moment. If for example, we go 3 or more years without a league title, then I think we risk falling out of the elite club. In that case, I would think it's more necessary to simply win something just to maintain our status. However, if have enjoyed a reasonable amount of success prior, say like where we were in summer 2013. Then I think it is totally acceptable to gamble on a smaller name if they meet the right profile for the chance of winning with some swagger. Of course it may not work like us with Moyes or to a lesser extent with Barcelona and Martino but it's a risk worth taking if you are in a relatively strong position.
In our case at the moment, it's all about where were when LvG leaves. If we leaves in two years having won nothing and we're still scraping for a top 4. The selection should be made with one thing and one thing only in mind, instant success. We will be too desperate to be picky about style or brand of football as that would mean 4 or 5 trophy less years. If however, we win say a couple of leagues and cups, I think it is totally worth to give Giggs or whoever else a chance if they have the right mentality as we can then afford a bad season if the worst happens without any huge ramifications.
The thing is a lot of us don't really think Ramos wants to join us that bad. He might think it's a great opportunity and interesting adventure but it's not really a dream to be fulfilled or a family situation like De Gea or Di Maria.
Of course, it's not ideal for our image to lose De Gea but when Sir Alex tried to avoid buying players from outside of Britain and Northern Europe, a lot of our fans accused him of being stingy or lacking ambition. Maybe now, we can accept that he looked long term and knew that investments elsewhere meant there was always a good chance something like this will happen which will affect our team cohesion and image. The lesson is to focus on different markets and grooming our players more and not to fight a losing battle trying to keep someone who is simply not settled.
The guy who got the Schneiderlin info spot on now says he's heard we are in for Lukaku. He's a bit of an attention seeker but looking through his tweets he seems to have a genuine connection to someone at the club - or gets his info off RI.
Who else is there? Reus? Bale?
I feel there has to be a happy medium in terms of the choice, to hire a Giggs for instance would be much too far one way, he's never managed at all and no matter how ingrained he is at the club it's too much of a leap. I know Barca have made that work with Pep but he's the exception rather than the rule, and he inherited a team with an immense forward line and 2 of the greatest midfielders in the history of the game.
If LvG leaves us with a PL title or two in the bag I think we can cast the net wider if Klopp or Pep are not available, there are coaches around with good experience who follow the same footballing mindset and could be ready to step up.
Probably doing the washing up.
I can't really disagree with any of that. I never meant Giggs specifically as I have no idea about how he is as a coach. I don't think we should simply hire him because he is a club legend either. I am in total agreement with what you say in your last phrase really. My entire point is about what this classification of managers purely in terms of success when appointing a new man. I think big should focus on not only winning but winning with an identity which makes it necessary to look for a manager that is not only good enough but one that follows whatever identity that is. The idea of having a list of candidates made of Guardiola and Mourinho makes no sense whatsoever by this logic. I think we really have the same view but the key is in that "happy medium" and how we define it.
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