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MkPaul said:
Didn't they break Van Gaal to us though?
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Most speculation articles from them are 'if we can believe the Daily Star then..', I can't remember them ever calling a transfer correctly before. They're a shite newspaper but an even worse sports paper. If they're right about something it's usually been reported elsewhere or they guessed correctly like Blind to us (which they reported before we even made contact with Ajax :lol:).
 
FromTheBench said:
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Can this just be a lesson to people that criticise Woodward for not getting his players for cheap.... if you bid below what the selling club want, you get the bid rejected. It's very basic economics.
 
Pexbo said:
Can this just be a lesson to people that criticise Woodward for not getting his players for cheap.... if you bid below what the selling club want, you get the bid rejected. It's very basic economics.
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I think their general point is that we seem to bid amounts that we all know will be rejected. Southampton are never selling Schneiderlin for anywhere near £20 mill.
 
cope are also saying that RM won't force a move for ddg and that ramos won't be included in any deal for him.

edit: nvm im late.
 
pocco said:
I think their general point is that we seem to bid amounts that we all know will be rejected. Southampton are never selling Schneiderlin for anywhere near £20 mill.
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Isn't it pretty basic negotiating to go in first with a lower bid you know will be rejected as a baseline to work up from to a meeting point between your intial bid and their valuation? It would be silly if we just went straight in with their intial asking price as either they then ask for an even higher amount as we clearly have the money, or they accept a value higher than what could have been haggled down to. theres no winning with it.

There's constant complaints about Woody overpaying, but when he goes for a standard (but slower) method of lowering a price, people complain because they're impatient and want their toys now now now.
 
pocco said:
I think their general point is that we seem to bid amounts that we all know will be rejected. Southampton are never selling Schneiderlin for anywhere near £20 mill.
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So what do you think would happen if we opened the bidding with £25m?
 
vodrake said:
Isn't it pretty basic negotiating to go in first with a lower bid you know will be rejected as a baseline to work up from to a meeting point between your intial bid and their valuation? It would be silly if we just went straight in with their intial asking price as either they then ask for an even higher amount as we clearly have the money, or they accept a value higher than what could have been haggled down to.
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Woodward just ends up paying what they want/the release clause anyway. We just go through the song and dance before agreeing to their demands later on.
 
DesiBD said:
They can get fecked then. Let's make this super awkward for DDG, so he extends his contract out of pure embarrassment.
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Think it just means that any deal for ramos will be cash only, that is if he doesn't extend his contract.
 
Someone mentioned it before but Southampton reject United bid for Shaw (£27 Million) then 2 weeks later accepted it.

Same could happen here(It might just be about settling bonus and the little stuff rather than the actual fee)
 
Levy going to put Atletico in their place with some tough negotiation skills.

 
pocco said:
They might say yes? As I just said, we pay what they want anyway eventually. Why not get deals done and allow the players to settle over the summer?
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You're talking about sloppy business if you just go straight in for the asking price when you have the player set on moving to you. "They might say yes", sure, but they could also say no and think they could get a few million more out of you.

Nothing wrong with starting at £20m here, testing their resolve and then working up towards the fee and with a bit of luck only reach it with add ons.
 
Pexbo said:
You're talking about sloppy business if you just go straight in for the asking price when you have the player set on moving to you. "They might say yes", sure, but they could also say no and think they could get a few million more out of you.

Nothing wrong with starting at £20m here, testing their resolve and then working up towards the fee and with a bit of luck only reach it with add ons.
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Meh, who knows. Each situation is different. All I know is Woodward hasn't managed to get us a good deal on any player yet and has overpaid at least once.

No other club has such difficulties in getting a good deal on a player that is set on joining them.
 
pocco said:
Meh, who knows. Each situation is different. All I know is Woodward hasn't managed to get us a good deal on any player yet and has overpaid at least once.

No other club has such difficulties in getting a good deal on a player that is set on joining them.
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We're uber-rich, do you expect teams to just give players to us?

Madrid pay a big premium for that reason. As did Chelsea and City over the years. It's just how it is.
 
DesiBD said:
They can get fecked then. Let's make this super awkward for DDG, so he extends his contract out of pure embarrassment.
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Due back on monday I think, can't see anything happening before then, much as I think Ramos wants an extention I can't see Madrid just caving in straight away.

Two unhappy players could be going on their respective tours, quite funny really.
 
pocco said:
Meh, who knows. Each situation is different. All I know is Woodward hasn't managed to get us a good deal on any player yet and has overpaid at least once.

No other club has such difficulties in getting a good deal on a player that is set on joining them.
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That's so wrong though. De Gea had been set to join Madrid for months. It hasn't been easy, though. Chelsea are regarded as some kind of transfer market heroes. Let summer they were set to sign Costa for months, yet it only actually happened once they paid full whack.
 
Pexbo said:
We're uber-rich, do you expect teams to just give players to us?

Madrid pay a big premium for that reason. As did Chelsea and City over the years. It's just how it is.
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That's where Woodward is supposed to earn his crust. Just because we have money, doesn't mean we should just give it away. Madrid are daft but those other teams still get good deals done.
 
MDFC Manager said:
That's so wrong though. De Gea had been set to join Madrid for months. It hasn't been easy, though. Chelsea are regarded as some kind of transfer market heroes. Let summer they were set to sign Costa for months, yet it only actually happened once they paid full whack.
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They paid his release clause 2 days after the World Cup was done and dusted.

Chelsea conduct transfer business very well. There is no arguing that. Particularly sales, they generate excellent income on many players even if they're not wanted.
 
Pexbo said:
You're talking about sloppy business if you just go straight in for the asking price when you have the player set on moving to you. "They might say yes", sure, but they could also say no and think they could get a few million more out of you.

Nothing wrong with starting at £20m here, testing their resolve and then working up towards the fee and with a bit of luck only reach it with add ons.
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A trained chimp would understand this logic.
 
MDFC Manager said:
That's so wrong though. De Gea had been set to join Madrid for months. It hasn't been easy, though. Chelsea are regarded as some kind of transfer market heroes. Let summer they were set to sign Costa for months, yet it only actually happened once they paid full whack.
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Madrid will probably get De Gea for well below his value. In such cases it's worth playing the long game. Chelsea have done some very good deals recently, especially at the time of signing. The likes of Schurrle, Zouma, Felipe Luis, De Bruyne, Fabregas etc. all signed for cheap. Fabregas for less than what we were apparently willing to pay.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
They paid his release clause 2 days after the World Cup was done and dusted.

Chelsea conduct transfer business very well. There is no arguing that. Particularly sales, they generate excellent income on many players even if they're not wanted.
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I'd be interested to see how their accounts look in regards to players in/out and wages.

They buy a lot of potential and no doubt offer them a fair lick to choose them over other clubs. Everyone froths over them getting £22m for someone like Schurrle but they paid £18m for him and paid over £6m in wages for the time he was there... and no doubt had to pay up some of his contract too when they sold him.

So they made a loss on him. Is that really great business?
 
pocco said:
Madrid will probably get De Gea for well below his value. In such cases it's worth playing the long game. Chelsea have done some very good deals recently, especially at the time of signing. The likes of Schurrle, Zouma, Felipe Luis, De Bruyne, Fabregas etc. all signed for cheap. Fabregas for less than what we were apparently willing to pay.
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How the feck is De Bruyne a good deal ? They sold him and now he's one of the most wanted players in Europe .

Felipe Luis has hardly played and is looking for a way out, Matic is a player who they had to buy AGAIN and let's not forget the mess that is Cuadrado. Chelsea are no better than any other team, it's odd people think differently.

Also United transfer under Van Gaal have been good(Even the Moyes signings turned out ok/good)
 
pocco said:
Yeah it's how it should work in theory. It doesn't work in practice for Edward Woodward.
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What are you even talking about? We've apparently bid £20m and had that bid rejected. What exactly is Woodward doing then?
 
These pauses the co-commentator makes in her sentences that somebody has just pointed out I'm starting to notice and it's happening too often and it's irritating.
 
pocco said:
Yeah it's how it should work in theory. It doesn't work in practice for Edward Woodward.
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This is the first summer that we are not buying from a position of confusion and chaos. You're taking a pop at Woodward for doing exactly what he should be doing in negotiation (if the £20 million bid is true). There's only so long you can bang on about past deals.
 
Pexbo said:
You're talking about sloppy business if you just go straight in for the asking price when you have the player set on moving to you. "They might say yes", sure, but they could also say no and think they could get a few million more out of you.

Nothing wrong with starting at £20m here, testing their resolve and then working up towards the fee and with a bit of luck only reach it with add ons.
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Kag said:
A trained chimp would understand this logic.
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pocco said:
Yeah it's how it should work in theory. It doesn't work in practice for Edward Woodward.
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And then...

pocco said:
Doing his usual posturing before paying asking price, most probably.
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What's the problem here? If he'd started with the 'asking price' they'd say "Nope, we want £28m. I reckon it's pretty seldom that a club slaps a half-decent bid on the table and the other club just goes "Sure".
 
NL Max said:
Don't worry de Telegraaf isn't reliable at all, compareable to the Daily Mail.
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Sorry, didn't see your other post before I posted Max. I was wondering if there might be truth in as De Vrij is pretty good on the ball and that seems to be what LvG wants to partner what we have, as only Rojo is good on the ball of our CB's.
 
vk20legend said:
There was a time when I just used to visit United official website or BBC Sport and find out who we signed..
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The day after Andy Cole was signed I was on a bus to work and read it across the bus on the back of someone elses newspaper.
 
Devil may care said:
Sorry, didn't see your other post before I posted Max. I was wondering if there might be truth in as De Vrij is pretty good on the ball and that seems to be what LvG wants to partner what we have, as only Rojo is good on the ball of our CB's.
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Out of the Dutch players we get linked with de Vrij indeed isn't a bad shout. He was good at Feyenoord and has clearly made steps at Lazio, he does have potential to be a good passer but when I've seen him he's not good enough yet. He's an all round defender and has good potential but is still young. I don't think he's ready for the absolute top yet, given I haven't seen him that much at Lazio.

I'm pretty sure van Gaal won't sign him though, he isn't ready.
 
moses said:
The day after Andy Cole was signed I was on a bus to work and read it across the bus on the back of someone elses newspaper.
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NL Max said:
Out of the Dutch players we get linked with de Vrij indeed isn't a bad shout. He was good at Feyenoord and has clearly made steps at Lazio, he does have potential to be a good passer but when I've seen him he's not good enough yet. He's an all round defender and has good potential but is still young. I don't think he's ready for the absolute top yet, given I haven't seen him that much at Lazio.

I'm pretty sure van Gaal won't sign him though, he isn't ready.
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Do you think LvG will be content with Otamendi when the Ramos stuff eventually comes to nothing?
 
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