Transfer Tweets - Summer 2015 | Stop Spamming - Discussion Should Relate to Tweets

[dannyrhinos89]

And we're supposedly looking at Kane for £40 - £50 mil?? Why do we always get our pants pulled down over transfers?!?

Because we're Man Utd the biggest club in the world financially whenever we get involved in a transfer the price immediately goes up by 10-20 million because clubs know we would pay it

 

[pacifictheme]

And we're supposedly looking at Kane for £40 - £50 mil?? Why do we always get our pants pulled down over transfers?!?

Hernandez coming off two shit seasons compared to Prince Harry? Those fees seem about right to be honest.

Not saying i want kane. Would happily take 8m for hernandez though.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

A goalkeeper is a goalkeeper. I for one am not bothered whether or not my keeper is good with his feet as long as he keeps the ball out of the net.

Yeah but you don't pick the team.

 

[KM]

I fecking hate how every player has to be "Van Gaal ready" in order to sign for us. What happened to the days when we signed goalkeepers who could keep, strikers who could score a bucket load, defenders who can defend and weren't chosen because of their preferred foot & wingers who had pace and created chances for our strikers.

Having every fecking player in this specific mold just sounds like an early excuse for future failure when you can't find him.

Yeah absolutely ridiculous we are looking for players who'll fit our manager's tactics and gameplan.

 

[Varun]

I fecking hate how every player has to be "Van Gaal ready" in order to sign for us. What happened to the days when we signed goalkeepers who could keep, strikers who could score a bucket load, defenders who can defend and weren't chosen because of their preferred foot & wingers who had pace and created chances for our strikers.

Having every fecking player in this specific mold just sounds like an early excuse for future failure when you can't find him.

What makes you believe Van Gaal wants a GK that can't keep but is simply good with the ball at his feet? He wants one who's good with his feet on top of being a good GK as his teams are possession based. Surely that makes sense or do you just want the GK to lump it forward everytime he gets it?

The same goes with the rest of your post. What makes you believe he wants strikers that cant score or defenders that cant defend or wingers that dont have pace and create chances?

 

[NL Max]

Because first and foremost a keeper in the PL must be able to dominate his box and aerial threats, it's irrelevant if he can run out and kick a ball like Baresi if he can't do the above.

And a keeper who's a good sweeper/can pass a ball is incapable of learning this? Also, how do you think Cech would cope with our high defensive line?

 

[Varun]

A goalkeeper is a goalkeeper. I for one am not bothered whether or not my keeper is good with his feet as long as he keeps the ball out of the net.

It matters when the team is designed to keep the ball and pass it around. You cant have a GK that lumps it every damn time in such a system.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

Yeah but you don't pick the team.

I don't? Well I'll be damned.

Point is, I'd rather a great shot stopper in goal rather than a keeper who can pass. I doubt I'm the only one either.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

It matters when the team is designed to keep the ball and pass it around. You cant have a GK that lumps it every damn time in such a system.

So the likes of Cech, Bekovic for arguments sake aren't able to pass the ball out to our defenders and for that aren't deemed good enough despite being excellent shot stoppers?

 

[JPRouve]

I don't? Well I'll be damned.

Point is, I'd rather a great shot stopper in goal rather than a keeper who can pass. I doubt I'm the only one either.

I suppose that you are thinking about dominating the box and being comfortable with high balls, because otherwise we already have a better shot stopper and a better ball player in Valdes.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

I suppose that you are thinking about dominating the box and being comfortable with high balls, because otherwise we already have a better shot stopper and a better ball player in Valdes.

I'd be willing to give Valdes a chance, he is a fantastic shot stopper, commands his area well and has vital experience which can only benefit our young defenders.

I am more interested in goalies keeping the ball out the net though rather than their ability to pass and do Cyruff turns inside their own area.

 

[Insanity]

Yeah absolutely ridiculous we are looking for players who'll fit our manager's tactics and gameplan.

We signed 6 last summer; have sent one back home, are looking for upgrades for Blind and Rojo, and di Maria doesn't fit - that shows to me that there is no clear direction to what fits the tactics and game plan. Why do we want a "left sided" central defender if we already bought Rojo to fit the masterful game plan? Why do we need a better, right sided DM now?

What makes you believe Van Gaal wants a GK that can't keep but is simply good with the ball at his feet? He wants one who's good with his feet on top of being a good GK as his teams are possession based. Surely that makes sense or do you just want the GK to lump it forward everytime he gets it?

The same goes with the rest of your post. What makes you believe he wants strikers that cant score or defenders that cant defend or wingers that dont have pace and create chances?

That's what I keep reading from the philosophy experts - how X or Y are going to fit.

Is Cech a goal keeper who just lumps it forward?

Van Gaal himself wasn't clear what type of striker he wants as he said after the pre-season that Welbeck isn't a striker he wants as he doesn't score enough and then a few months later he said that scoring goals is not all he wants from his strikers.

He name checked Di Maria before we bought him and then a few months later didn't know how to best use him.

I am all ears if you have the explanations.

 

[Varun]

So the likes of Cech, Bekovic for arguments sake aren't able to pass the ball out to our defenders and for that aren't deemed good enough despite being excellent shot stoppers?

Cech is fine as far as I'm concerned as his all round quality makes up for not being great with the ball, he's decent enough at it anyways. Begovic isnt good enough at all.

In general, yes, when a team is setup the way we are, having a keeper that's comfortable passing the ball around is required. Passing it more than 5 yards to the nearest CB.

 

[Varun]

That's what I keep reading from the philosophy experts - how X or Y are going to fit.

Van Gaal himself wasn't clear what type of striker he wants as he said after the pre-season that Welbeck isn't a striker he wants as he doesn't score enough and then a few months later he said that scoring goals is not all he wants from his strikers.

He name checked Di Maria before we bought him and then a few months later didn't know how to best use him.

I am all ears if you have the explanations.

A player fitting in to the style of the team and what the manager wants should be obvious though, why does it surprise you?

He didnt rate Welbeck enough to keep him, his time at Arsenal has proved him right, what's the issue there?

He name checked Di Maria as a winger. As he had been brilliant as a CM for Real, he tried him there but it didnt work out as he didnt like the number of risks he took I think. Young and Mata both being very good left him on the bench, a manager that values performances over big names, surely that's a good thing again? Or should he just play him because he's the bigger name even though 2 other players have done better out wide?

 

[JPRouve]

I'd be willing to give Valdes a chance, he is a fantastic shot stopper, commands his area well and has vital experience which can only benefit our young defenders.

I am more interested in goalies keeping the ball out the net though rather than their ability to pass and do Cyruff turns inside their own area.

I don't see what is your problem then, because the reason why I think Cech isn't the right candidate is because we have Valdes. There is no point purchasing a 32 years old goalkeeper who doesn't suit perfectly our system when we already have someone who does.

In my opinion Van gaal is after a goalkeeper that can do what Valdes does and also have the potential to dominate the box.

 

[NL Max]

We signed 6 last summer; have sent one back home, are looking for upgrades for Blind and Rojo, and di Maria doesn't fit - that shows me that there is no clear direction to what fits the tactics and game plan. Why do we want a "left sided" central defender if we already bought Rojo to fit the masterful game plan? Why do we need a better, right sided DM now?



That's what I keep reading from the philosophy experts - how X or Y are going to fit.

Van Gaal himself wasn't clear what type of striker he wants as he said after the pre-season that Welbeck isn't a striker he wants as he doesn't score enough and then a few months later he said that scoring goals is not all he wants from his strikers.

He name checked Di Maria before we bought him and then a few months later didn't know how to best use him.

I am all ears if you have the explanations.

We have one left sided CB if Evans leaves, he wants 2 players per position.
LvG has a clear direction, that you can't see it yet doesn't say much. I can see it.
Carrick is 33 and can't be relied on a whole season, the Caf general consensus has been that we need a player in that position and van Gaal agrees.
He wants a complete striker, a prime RvP or a Lewandowski. That's his type of striker: score goals and contribute footballing wise.
He has used Di Maria at different positions, shocker. LvG likes multifunctional players and he's tried him at several positions before he used him as winger only at the end of last season and that's also the position he namedropped him as.

More questions?

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

I don't see what is your problem then, because the reason why I think Cech isn't the right candidate is because we have Valdes. There is no point purchasing a 32 years old goalkeeper who doesn't suit perfectly our system when we already have someone who does.

In my opinion Van gaal is after a goalkeeper that can do what Valdes does and also have the potential to dominate the box.

My problem is that I think to much is being made about what a keeper can do with his feet rather than his keeping ability or so it seemed.

 

[theyneverlearn]

A bit quiet in general for tweets today.

Journos are too busy with the qualifiers to make up transfer stories to sell papers.

They'll start again Monday.

 

[Insanity]

A player fitting in to the style of the team and what the manager wants should be obvious though, why does it surprise you?

He didnt rate Welbeck enough to keep him, his time at Arsenal has proved him right, what's the issue there?

He name checked Di Maria as a winger. As he had been brilliant as a CM for Real, he tried him there but it didnt work out as he didnt like the number of risks he took I think. Young and Mata both being very good left him on the bench, a manager that values performances over big names, surely that's a good thing again? Or should he just play him because he's the bigger name even though 2 other players have done better out wide?

What is the style of the team? So far what we have seen is that we like to pass it around the back before lumping it to Fellaini. Should we sign Peter Crouch or Andy Carroll to fit that style? Or are you talking about this mythical style that we are yet to see but will only be possible if we gets these Van Gaal players?

How does a direct player like Depay fit into this style?

The issue is that after sending Welbeck to Arsenal, he praised another striker for things that Welbeck is good at and told us to not only at this goal contribution.

He didn't know that Di Maria was a player who'll need to take risks to thrive? Did he only find out about that after the Argentine joined us? Why did he buy him when those things were fairly obvious to anyone who has seen Di Maria play.

And I am not being farcical with any of these questions. I really would like to understand the method behind the madness.

 

[KM]

We signed 6 last summer; have sent one back home, are looking for upgrades for Blind and Rojo, and di Maria doesn't fit - that shows to me that there is no clear direction to what fits the tactics and game plan. Why do we want a "left sided" central defender if we already bought Rojo to fit the masterful game plan? Why do we need a better, right sided DM now?

We signed 6 last summer and also let go of 18. Every top side needs two good players in each position.
We signed Rojo because we needed a CB or else our center back options were Evans, Smalling and Jones. We signed Blind because we needed midfield options or else our midfield options were Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini. Evans is going and Carrick can't be relied upon to be fit for a full season, that's why we're going for a left-sided central defender and right sided DM. It's called Squad building.

Just because you can't see any clear direction regarding the transfers doesn't mean there isn't any plan, it probably means that you're too short-sighted or biased to not see it.

 

[JPRouve]

My problem is that I think to much is being made about what a keeper can do with his feet rather than his keeping ability or so it seemed.

No, you are focusing on that too much, what people are saying is that since we have a goalkeeper we need to purchase the perfect specimen, what is the point in purchasing someone who doesn't suit us, when we already have someone?

Look it's like dominating the box, there is a lot of quality goalkeepers out there who can't do that but most people think that it's a requirement in the PL.

 

[RedMachine03]

 

[RedMachine03]

 

[izec]

FFS keep Gaitan please, nobody wants him.

 

[Insanity]

We signed 6 last summer and also let go of 18. Every top side needs two good players in each position.
We signed Rojo because we needed a CB or else our center back options were Evans, Smalling and Jones. We signed Blind because we needed midfield options or else our midfield options were Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini. Evans is going and Carrick can't be relied upon to be fit for a full season, that's why we're going for a left-sided central defender and right sided DM. It's called Squad building.

Just because you can't see any clear direction regarding the transfers doesn't mean there isn't any plan, it probably means that you're too short-sighted or biased to not see it.

Why didn't we sign a first choice CB back then? That is what I want to know. I think it would have been prudent to buy a proper CB who could have taken last season to fit in, then again going for a new CB and giving him time to adjust.

He hardly used Fellaini as a CM, he has been used in the more advanced positions. I don't mind the Blind signing, I am confused why we went for a squad player and not a starter.

Is it confirmed that Evans is going? Even if he is than we should be looking at a back up to Rojo now, right?

I am sorry, I don't have the foresight that you and some others posses. I guess, that I why I am asking the questions.

 

[Varun]

What is the style of the team? So far what we have seen is that we like to pass it around the back before lumping it to Fellaini. Should we sign Peter Crouch or Andy Carroll to fit that style? Or are you talking about this mythical style that we are yet to see but will only be possible if we gets these Van Gaal players?

How does a direct player like Depay fit into this style?

The issue is that after sending Welbeck to Arsenal, he praised another striker for things that Welbeck is good at and told us to not only at this goal contribution.

He didn't know that Di Maria was a player who'll need to take risks to thrive? Did he only find out about that after the Argentine joined us? Why did he buy him when those things were fairly obvious to anyone who has seen Di Maria play.

And I am not being farcical with any of these questions. I really would like to understand the method behind the madness.

If you see our style as passing it around at the back before lumping it to Fellaini, you'd be better off rewatching games than me explaining anything to you. I will answer the other questions though. And no, there isnt any mythical style that I'm referring to.

The wingers have had plenty of freedom as should be obvious when you watch Mata or Young. Depay will have the same when he joins as that's where he will play. The same goes with Di Maria. The wingers have the freedom to take risks and thus it isnt a problem if he tries it there. He doesnt want his CMs to do the same which is why Di Maria didnt fit there.

Who is this striker you're referring to when talking of Welbeck? The other things matter, ofcourse it does, but being able to score goals is vital for any striker, regardless of manager or style. Welbeck isnt good at that.

 

[KM]

Why didn't we sign a first choice CB back then? That is what I want to know. I think it would have been prudent to buy a proper CB who could have taken last season to fit in, then again going for a new CB and giving him time to adjust.

He hardly used Fellaini as a CM, he has been used in the more advanced positions. I don't mind the Blind signing, I am confused why we went for a squad player and not a starter.

Is it confirmed that Evans is going? Even if he is than we should be looking at a back up to Rojo now, right?

I am sorry, I don't have the foresight that you and some others posses. I guess, that I why I am asking the questions.

I don't know, could be a lot of reasons. Availability of players, whether they wanted to move to United or not. How many proper CB's were available last season anyway? Who'd have you signed?

Again which midfielders were available last season? Bare in mind, that we didn't had CL to offer which meant that many of the starter CM's wouldn't have been interested in moving to us anyway.

 

[ghagua]

I fecking hate how every player has to be "Van Gaal ready" in order to sign for us. What happened to the days when we signed goalkeepers who could keep, strikers who could score a bucket load, defenders who can defend and weren't chosen because of their preferred foot & wingers who had pace and created chances for our strikers.

Having every fecking player in this specific mold just sounds like an early excuse for future failure when you can't find him.

Thinking the same thing. Now the goalkeeper and central defenders have to have the passing skills of Scholes in order to fit the team

 

[Insanity]

I don't know, could be a lot of reasons. Availability of players, whether they wanted to move to United or not. How many proper CB's were available last season anyway? Who'd have you signed?

Again which midfielders were available last season? Bare in mind, that we didn't had CL to offer which meant that many of the starter CM's wouldn't have been interested in moving to us anyway.

Those are just excuses, bud. A club with an open check book should have been able to get most of the targets it wants.

And if we go by that logic, then what is the guarantee that we'll be able to acquire those players this term?

 

[berbasloth4]

Would nani not get in big bother for that move??

 

[Insanity]

If you see our style as passing it around at the back before lumping it to Fellaini, you'd be better off rewatching games than me explaining anything to you. I will answer the other questions though. And no, there isnt any mythical style that I'm referring to.

The wingers have had plenty of freedom as should be obvious when you watch Mata or Young. Depay will have the same when he joins as that's where he will play. The same goes with Di Maria. The wingers have the freedom to take risks and thus it isnt a problem if he tries it there. He doesnt want his CMs to do the same which is why Di Maria didnt fit there.

Who is this striker you're referring to when talking of Welbeck? The other things matter, ofcourse it does, but being able to score goals is vital for any striker, regardless of manager or style. Welbeck isnt good at that.

I guess there is no point having a discussion as me and you clearly saw different matches.

 

[Kill 'em all]

Why didn't we sign a first choice CB back then? That is what I want to know. I think it would have been prudent to buy a proper CB who could have taken last season to fit in, then again going for a new CB and giving him time to adjust.

He hardly used Fellaini as a CM, he has been used in the more advanced positions. I don't mind the Blind signing, I am confused why we went for a squad player and not a starter.

Is it confirmed that Evans is going? Even if he is than we should be looking at a back up to Rojo now, right?

I am sorry, I don't have the foresight that you and some others posses. I guess, that I why I am asking the questions.

Our club was just off finishing 7th and a new manager brought in. That's uncertain as it gets for a player. I am convinced that we would have been able to attract better players if we were in the Champions League.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Would nani not get in big bother for that move??

Will DDG not get into trouble for his?

 

[Raoul]

Can't see this happening, but oh well, here goes:

Cristiano Ronaldo's £87m move to PSG hinges on the sale of Zlatan Ibrahimovic:

Perez would be run out of town if he let Ronnie go. They would probably finish 4th or so.

 

[KM]

Those are just excuses, bud. A club with an open check book should have been able to get most of the targets it wants.

And if we go by that logic, then what is the guarantee that we'll be able to acquire those players this term?

I don't think so these are any excuses. Are you denying that our pulling power hasn't increased as compared to last season? and obviously there's no guarantee that we'll acquire those players this term as well but i'd say the probability of us getting those players is higher as compared to last season.

 

[Varun]

Those are just excuses, bud. A club with an open check book should have been able to get most of the targets it wants.

And if we go by that logic, then what is the guarantee that we'll be able to acquire those players this term?

Its not an excuse, its just how it is. Money alone isnt enough to get players at a club like United as the ones we target are in the top tier and more often than not playing at top teams who dont need the money.

There is no guarantee this term either, never is.

I guess there is no point having a discussion as me and you clearly saw different matches.

What about the rest of the post which I did bother replying to? I thought you were looking for genuine answers?

 

[RedMachine03]

 

[Insanity]

I don't think so these are any excuses. Are you denying that our pulling power hasn't increased as compared to last season? and obviously there's no guarantee that we'll acquire those players this term as well but i'd say the probability of us getting those players is higher as compared to last season.

Yes, being in the CL should make a positive difference. What remains my worry is that since Fergie's retirement we have adopted a scatter gun approach, so, I remain skeptical until things change for the better.

Also, I think at the very top clubs, the managers job is more managing and getting the best out his resources rather than coaching. It is very tough to coach world class players like Rooney and Di Maria into different players than they already are. I don't think you can buy expensive players and then complain about them not dancing to your tune. These players are worthless if you curb their natural instinct. Like I said in my first post that you quoted - goalkeepers who could keep, strikers who could score a bucket load, defenders who can defend and weren't chosen because of their preferred foot & wingers who had pace and created chances for our strikers - should be able to fit most plans.

 

[RedMachine03]

 

[Insanity]

What about the rest of the post which I did bother replying to? I thought you were looking for genuine answers?

I didn't read it because we clearly follow two different clubs. Our views on how the team played are so totally on opposite sides of the spectrum that it doesn't even make sense to talk about it.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.