Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25

If the reports are true and we’ve agreed a fee with Quenda, it does raises some questions - does Amorim feel the RWB position is a bigger problem than ST? Or does he purely feel that Quenda is the better talent, or better fit in the PL?

I’m all for keeping Hojlund - maybe he’s doing things well in training but it isn’t coming off in games - but as a normal spectator, the worrying thing is not only is he not scoring, I feel he’s actually regressed since we’ve signed him. Whilst the purple patch was great - I always felt his best games was before he went on that run - when he was constantly making runs and getting himself into good positions, only to miss them. He was much more involved in games, and from memory he did score in Europe, but just failed in the PL (before the scoring run).
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
That's awful news, we need governance but the current set of rules is prohibitive to everybody and forces the sale of academy players.

They badly need re-working to allow greater losses and not recognizing full profit on academy sales
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Why on earth would we want rules that allow greater losses??
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
That's awful news, we need governance but the current set of rules is prohibitive to everybody and forces the sale of academy players.

They badly need re-working to allow greater losses and not recognizing full profit on academy sales
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PSR has nothing to do with academy players being pure profit. It's just basic accounting that something worth nil on the balance sheet is pure profit when you sell it.

This was a thing long before PSR. A club wanting to break even would be able to sell academy players for 'pure profit'. (or just not waste £100s of millions on terrible signings in the first place).

The only difference now is clubs are forced to break even (minus £105m) over 3 years.

It's nonsense that it 'forces' academy sales.
 
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Leftback99 said:
PSR has nothing to do with academy players being pure profit. It's just basic accounting that something worth nil on the balance sheet is pure profit when you sell it.

This was a thing long before PSR. A club wanting to break even would be able to sell academy players for 'pure profit'. (or just not waste £100s of millions on terrible signings in the first place).

The only difference now is clubs are forced to break even (minus £105m) over 3 years.

It's nonsense that it 'forces' academy sales.
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Also it's still the club's decision whether they sell their academy products. If they don't want to then they will run their club in a financial way that doesn't require them to sell the academy players.

Additionally, a side effect of this that isn't often brought up is that now we see more young talented players moving to other clubs in the league which only makes the league stronger.
 
Golden Nugget said:
If the reports are true and we’ve agreed a fee with Quenda, it does raises some questions - does Amorim feel the RWB position is a bigger problem than ST? Or does he purely feel that Quenda is the better talent, or better fit in the PL?

I’m all for keeping Hojlund - maybe he’s doing things well in training but it isn’t coming off in games - but as a normal spectator, the worrying thing is not only is he not scoring, I feel he’s actually regressed since we’ve signed him. Whilst the purple patch was great - I always felt his best games was before he went on that run - when he was constantly making runs and getting himself into good positions, only to miss them. He was much more involved in games, and from memory he did score in Europe, but just failed in the PL (before the scoring run).
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He might like many of us think RWB and CF are both an issue. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Alternatively he might think the supply is the main issue and we don't create enough chances for our centre forward as Hojlund statistically has the fewest chances and of the worst quality than any other striker in the Premier League. That doesn't absolve him of blame but there is the sense that even Erling Haaland wouldn't score goals in this United side.

Personally if it was a choice I'd see the wing backs as more of a priority and then if our centre forward (whoever it is) was getting unquestionably decent supply but missing loads of chances, which you definately can't say about Hojlund, then that would be the point you'd conclude for certain that they're not good enough and need moved on.
 
flameinthesun said:
Also it's still the club's decision whether they sell their academy products. If they don't want to then they will run their club in a financial way that doesn't require them to sell the academy players.

Additionally, a side effect of this that isn't often brought up is that now we see more young talented players moving to other clubs in the league which only makes the league stronger.
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Exactly. If we hadn't burnt £60m + £300k a week on Casemiro we wouldn't have 'had to' sell McTominay for example.

Technically (but unlikely) it would be possible to run solely on academy players and be super profitable with it.
 
Leftback99 said:
PSR has nothing to do with academy players being pure profit. It's just basic accounting that something worth nil on the balance sheet is pure profit when you sell it.

This was a thing long before PSR. A club wanting to break even would be able to sell academy players for 'pure profit'. (or just not waste £100s of millions on terrible signings in the first place).

The only difference now is clubs are forced to break even (minus £105m) over 3 years.

It's nonsense that it 'forces' academy sales.
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How about instead of being transfer junkies clubs actually take the time to develop players rather than use them for lets be honest mostly underwhelming signings

I quoted the wrong post
 
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Golden Nugget said:
If the reports are true and we’ve agreed a fee with Quenda, it does raises some questions - does Amorim feel the RWB position is a bigger problem than ST? Or does he purely feel that Quenda is the better talent, or better fit in the PL?

I’m all for keeping Hojlund - maybe he’s doing things well in training but it isn’t coming off in games - but as a normal spectator, the worrying thing is not only is he not scoring, I feel he’s actually regressed since we’ve signed him. Whilst the purple patch was great - I always felt his best games was before he went on that run - when he was constantly making runs and getting himself into good positions, only to miss them. He was much more involved in games, and from memory he did score in Europe, but just failed in the PL (before the scoring run).
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Sometimes the quality player that becomes available will then be the priority regardless of the position that they play. From reports, Quenda seems to be the easier get and as such we are right to press forward with the deal if we can.

Also, there is the argument that we can't fully evaluate the strikers we have until the wing backs have been implemented to support.
 
Why not target a player already doing exceptionally well but in a lesser team? Mbeumo has scored 14 in the league already, Kluivert 11, Cunha 11, Watkins 10, Mateta 10, etc. Instead of trying left field solutions that haven't been proven in the Premier League, scoop up talent from fellow mid-table clubs and build from there.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
Why not target a player already doing exceptionally well but in a lesser team? Mbeumo has scored 14 in the league already, Kluivert 11, Cunha 11, Watkins 10, Mateta 10, etc. Instead of trying left field solutions that haven't been proven in the Premier League, scoop up talent from fellow mid-table clubs and build from there.
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Because premier league clubs are the richest in the world leaning those players will cost a fortune. Cunha was talked about as a potential 70M signing despite never hitting huge numbers, Watkins you only need to look at the price for Dhuran to see the figures you'd be talking.

I actually like our current recruitment policy and think we'll see benefits of it down the line.

Chido, Heaven, Leon, Dorgu have combined cost less than Max Kilman transfer from Wolves to West Ham. I've used Kilman as an example of how much a middling premier league player goes for these days.

We're in an absolute hole as a club, so I'm prepared to sacrifice competing immediately in order to build from the base up with younger hungry players that can develop here.
 
P-Nut said:
Because premier league clubs are the richest in the world leaning those players will cost a fortune. Cunha was talked about as a potential 70M signing despite never hitting huge numbers, Watkins you only need to look at the price for Dhuran to see the figures you'd be talking.

I actually like our current recruitment policy and think we'll see benefits of it down the line.

Chido, Heaven, Leon, Dorgu have combined cost less than Max Kilman transfer from Wolves to West Ham. I've used Kilman as an example of how much a middling premier league player goes for these days.

We're in an absolute hole as a club, so I'm prepared to sacrifice competing immediately in order to build from the base up with younger hungry players that can develop here.
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All true, Mr. Nut, but we paid more for Højlund than for any of those players you listed would probably be sold for. If we had spunked $70million on a striker who has netted us 14 goals in the league by this point in the season, it would have been worth every penny. Heaven, Leon, Dorgu are not goalscorers by trade, and Chido isn't a goalscorer in this league yet, so it's all a big fat question mark. I'm just saying the club needed to get in solid reinforcements, forget about superstars and forget about the stars of tomorrow.
 
P-Nut said:
Because premier league clubs are the richest in the world leaning those players will cost a fortune. Cunha was talked about as a potential 70M signing despite never hitting huge numbers, Watkins you only need to look at the price for Dhuran to see the figures you'd be talking.

I actually like our current recruitment policy and think we'll see benefits of it down the line.

Chido, Heaven, Leon, Dorgu have combined cost less than Max Kilman transfer from Wolves to West Ham. I've used Kilman as an example of how much a middling premier league player goes for these days.

We're in an absolute hole as a club, so I'm prepared to sacrifice competing immediately in order to build from the base up with younger hungry players that can develop here.
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I absolutely agree with your last paragraph but unfortunately a lot of our fan base have been spoilt over the years and will not have the same patience
 
P-Nut said:
Because premier league clubs are the richest in the world leaning those players will cost a fortune. Cunha was talked about as a potential 70M signing despite never hitting huge numbers, Watkins you only need to look at the price for Dhuran to see the figures you'd be talking.

I actually like our current recruitment policy and think we'll see benefits of it down the line.

Chido, Heaven, Leon, Dorgu have combined cost less than Max Kilman transfer from Wolves to West Ham. I've used Kilman as an example of how much a middling premier league player goes for these days.

We're in an absolute hole as a club, so I'm prepared to sacrifice competing immediately in order to build from the base up with younger hungry players that can develop here.
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Absolutely, we are not going to spend our way out of this one. We haven’t got the money for a start. The PL isn’t the place where we will pick up a bargain or two unless the selling club has just been relegated
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
All true, Mr. Nut, but we paid more for Højlund than for any of those players you listed would probably be sold for. If we had spunked $70million on a striker who has netted us 14 goals in the league by this point in the season, it would have been worth every penny. Heaven, Leon, Dorgu are not goalscorers by trade, and Chido isn't a goalscorer in this league yet, so it's all a big fat question mark. I'm just saying the club needed to get in solid reinforcements, forget about superstars and forget about the stars of tomorrow.
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Hojlund was bought 2 seasons ago, under different structure and when money wasn’t quite the issue it is today.
Cannot see us shopping in the PL, prices are too prohibitive
 
golden_blunder said:
Hojlund was bought 2 seasons ago, under different structure and when money wasn’t quite the issue it is today.
Cannot see us shopping in the PL, prices are too prohibitive
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I agree that it's a tough ask, but there's a premium for proven talent that I think is worth paying, whereas any striker coming from another league could be the next Shevchenko, Morientes, Crespo, Falcao, Jardel (having scored 42 league goals for Sporting!), Soldado, Forlan, Higuain, Pizarro, Morata, Kerman, Jo, Tomasson, Brolin, Postiga, et al. (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...s-who-flopped-miserably-in-the-premier-league).

We aren't going to spend our way out, a la Chelsea or City, but a goal scorer who can actually stick the ball in the net is crucial -- so we are stuck. It's a seller's market. Buying Van Persie won us the league, and if another such "deal" comes along, we should snap it up.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I agree that it's a tough ask, but there's a premium for proven talent that I think is worth paying, whereas any striker coming from another league could be the next Shevchenko, Morientes, Crespo, Falcao, Jardel (having scored 42 league goals for Sporting!), Soldado, Forlan, Higuain, Pizarro, Morata, Kerman, Jo, Tomasson, Brolin, Postiga, et al. (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...s-who-flopped-miserably-in-the-premier-league).

We aren't going to spend our way out, a la Chelsea or City, but a goal scorer who can actually stick the ball in the net is crucial -- so we are stuck. It's a seller's market. Buying Van Persie won us the league, and if another such "deal" comes along, we should snap it up.
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Vardy is prem proven as much as you can be so you might be on to something
 
golden_blunder said:
Absolutely, we are not going to spend our way out of this one. We haven’t got the money for a start. The PL isn’t the place where we will pick up a bargain or two unless the selling club has just been relegated
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I'd say that luckily then there are going to be loads of relegated players that could come in and instantly improve our squad.

Its unlucky that I haven't seen us linked to them, except for Dibbling from Southampton, and I don't remember us shopping in the relegated section that often in the past.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I agree that it's a tough ask, but there's a premium for proven talent that I think is worth paying, whereas any striker coming from another league could be the next Shevchenko, Morientes, Crespo, Falcao, Jardel (having scored 42 league goals for Sporting!), Soldado, Forlan, Higuain, Pizarro, Morata, Kerman, Jo, Tomasson, Brolin, Postiga, et al. (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...s-who-flopped-miserably-in-the-premier-league).

We aren't going to spend our way out, a la Chelsea or City, but a goal scorer who can actually stick the ball in the net is crucial -- so we are stuck. It's a seller's market. Buying Van Persie won us the league, and if another such "deal" comes along, we should snap it up.
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But what would a Van Persie add to us now. Yes we'd score more goals, but that 20m is more like 100m nowadays and that's likely above and beyond our entire budget.

We'd move from 14th to 5-6th at best, whilst being no closer to having a squad to compete for the highest honours. I'd rather build the squad first and add the prime players when we're at a level where they can make a difference.

No point icing the cake before you've baked it.
 
Sea-Cow said:
I'd say that luckily then there are going to be loads of relegated players that could come in and instantly improve our squad.

Its unlucky that I haven't seen us linked to them, except for Dibbling from Southampton, and I don't remember us shopping in the relegated section that often in the past.
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According to Laurie Whitwell today looks like we’re interested in Liam Delap, as Gyokeres is to expensive as we all expected.
 
P-Nut said:
But what would a Van Persie add to us now. Yes we'd score more goals, but that 20m is more like 100m nowadays and that's likely above and beyond our entire budget.

We'd move from 14th to 5-6th at best, whilst being no closer to having a squad to compete for the highest honours. I'd rather build the squad first and add the prime players when we're at a level where they can make a difference.

No point icing the cake before you've baked it.
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Id take 5th 6th

Much better starting position to build on
 
Salford_Red83 said:
I'm sorry, is this the Transfer Tweet thread or the General Chit Chat thread?
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I completely agree.

Took us a long time to get a separate transfer tweet thread solely for us United fans. Now it's turned into a general post thread. We visit this thread to view transfer tweets. If anyone wants to chat about players, take it to the already created player threads.

Mods, is there anything we can do to ensure this thread stays on topic?

It's frustrating coming into the transfer tweet thread only to see a post about somebody's ideal formation, or thoughts on Ineos. If we wanted info on those subjects, we would visit those threads. It defeats the purpose of a transfer tweet thread.
 
tuk3r said:
I completely agree.

Took us a long time to get a separate transfer tweet thread solely for us United fans. Now it's turned into a general post thread. We visit this thread to view transfer tweets. If anyone wants to chat about players, take it to the already created player threads.

Mods, is there anything we can do to ensure this thread stays on topic?

It's frustrating coming into the transfer tweet thread only to see a post about somebody's ideal formation, or thoughts on Ineos. If we wanted info on those subjects, we would visit those threads. It defeats the purpose of a transfer tweet thread.
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Use the tweet only section?

It's always going to be easier to post about United's general transfer policy here with the tweets in place rather than duplicating the thread and having a general united transfer policy thread that would then duplicate all the tweets within it.
 
As if there would be any relevant tweets anyway. 99% of the January ones turned out to be nonsense.
 
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