Which good strikers could you get on loan in this window?
Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25
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Which good strikers could you get on loan in this window?
Be prepared for insane mentions like Evan Ferguson
Yeah that's fair. I get finding the balance is tricky. I was probably a bit snarky originally so apologies and to you too @Fortitude
Osimhen or Morata were both possible
Osimhen wasn't available on loan
Wild take.
How you can say the fans are partly to blame for the mismanagement of the club is crazy to me.
The fans want what is best for the club and for us to be ambitious in the market and perform on the pitch.
Even if the management felt pressure from the fans to buy players, it is their responsibility to buy the right players and pay a fair price for them. If they felt pressured by fans this is simply weak leadership.
That directionless leadership is the reason we are where we are today, not the fans ffs.
Napoli had the option to cancel his loan and send him to a new team. That was confirmed by multiple reports. We were capable of paying a larger % of his wage than Galatasaray if we actually wanted to. Jonathan David is leaving at the end of his contract in the summer and also could probably have been bought for £10-15m. People here are just trying to make excuses for INEOS. There were options there. They just didn't bother and decided to write off the season
Not everything is a “PR operation” I love how “PR” has been the go-to phrase when there’s any piece of positive media, almost as if the fans want to wallow in self pity.
We can’t do anything, I’m sure the players and the club don’t want to sit in mid table & are doing everything they can to progress.
We literally have got rid of Antony and Rashford, something a lot of fans have wanted and that’s still not good enough.
I have no idea - that's not my job. But i am sure there are 20 strikers available on loan who could score more goals than Zirkzee and Højlund. It's not that long ago since we picked up Sabitzer as an attacking midfielder on loan - he is a quality player. It can be done. Or we could have decided to sign a striker instead of spending £30 million on Dorgu - and signed him in the summer.
And I get that we should not sign a player just for the sake of it - but I am convinced that we have a list of 10 strikers we are interested in - and some of them are probably available for the same price we signed Dorgu for.
But i do hope we go to Sunderland and sign at least one player in the summer - that could solve a midfield problem for many years.
Spoiler alert, Rashford said no to forgoing even a percent of his wages. Shocker.
Strange. Thought Rashy* loved the club and just wanted to play football
*his PR team
I'm all for digging a player out for his attitude or performances but why would he sacrifice some of his wages? United offered him a contract and he's entitled to it.
Many players take paycuts to go on loan to kickstart their careers. He uses his PR machine to harp on about how much he loves the club etc, if he didn't then he wouldn't be getting called out for it. Yes he's entitled to his full salary but then don't run to the media every two seconds about how much you love this club. You're just another player in it for the money.
It should be noted that at most clubs players took a pay cuts during COVID, even at liverpool. Yet not a single united player did, which put the club in such an awful financial position, as our revenues dropped drastically but our costs were stayed the same. feck Ed Woodward for not applying pressure on them to take a paycut.
Come on, loving the club doesn't mean to say he should sacrifice his wages. Otherwise every other player who loves the club would offer to play for less. Let's not be silly here. He probably realises this his is last contract where he will earn the amount he's on too.
He's well within his rights to refuse and also not be called out for it regardless of his performances or attitude.
I think the last panic buy was Fellaini and almost Leighton Baines
Why would he? Same with every player we've ever tried to sell or loan out. We gave them the contract.
Pique and co who genuinely love Barca gave up tens of millions in owed wages to help the club. Rashford was asked to give up the remaining percentage that Villa wouldn't cover, which is fractional to what the aforementioned players gave up and he still said no. He is entitled to but then don't bleed on about how you love the club. As usual with this fraud, its all just PR and lip service.
They've assessed the market this window, utilized their authority, and concluded that there's no worthwhile value. Yet, they're facing criticism from some. Under the previous regime, they would have caved to pressure and hastily signed whichever name was trending in the market. this is why I am very optimistic this time around
If Rashford goes for £40M that’s £120M plus Malacia £12m? and potentially Antony £40M at a push? - I think we’ll be fine. That’s like £300M right there
£300m PSR profit but we don’t have the cash as INEOS aren’t entertaining using more debt for transfers.
We need to play more of our academy players for the remainder of the season as it would seem that only by selling one or two after a few months of decent performances might we have any flexibility in the market.
We desperately needed a striker, but we signed Dorgu, Leon and Heaven. Sometimes maybe we need to simply look at our signings to see our strategy and it looks as if we've done what many have wanted for years. Signed younger hungry players that can be developed.
Don't get me wrong I want fast improvement too, but the time to sign a top striker was last summer
Don't get me wrong I want fast improvement too, but the time to sign a top striker was last summer
Jamie Jackson vs Rob Dawson
This. It isn’t just PSR at play here, cash flow is a big problem.
So they cannot afford to make the team better to make us more successful, so in turn that affects cash flow. Oh hell!
Antony will be break even on PSR same as Sancho so selling those won't create any room really.
Malacia was signed for a small fee and on relatively low wages so he'll add to the wiggle room you'd imagine, whilst Rashford would be a big boost.
As others have mentioned it's going to be an actual cash flow problem on the amounts we pay up front so we don't end up back in this position 18 months down the line.
Andy Mitten was saying on TOTD a few games ago that he's been told it's going to be a tough 3 years until we can get beyond the cycle of the terrible transfer windows under Ten Hag.
Then we better strap in for a rough ride and just wait for improvements.
Jamie Jackson will always put a negative spin on anything United
It's a good point. And like you say, it covers both windows of the season not just January.
We've been desperate for goals for a good few years now, and so far the signings over the two windows for INEOS have been about 95% defensive minded players, with just Zirkzee as attack minded.
We've signed Mazraoui, Yoro, De Ligt, Heaven, Leon, Dorgu for defence. DM's Ugarte and Kone as the only midfielders. And more creative than scorer Zirkzee as the only attack minded player.
That's 1 out of 9, and he's not a #9 or a proven scorer.
That's been a very poor choice of distribution of signings. We knew we had ongoing problems scoring, and yet have pretty much neglected that problem in both windows. And guess what happens? We continue to have trouble scoring and it's looking like a nightmare season.
The excuse 'not making mistakes of the past' would ring more true if they'd successfully corrected the ongoing striker problem, and not made the same mistake by leaving us blunt up top once again. The only difference if they've made no attempt to solve it, rather than a tried and failed one. I was rather hoping all those people had been employed so that the difference would be that we'd try and succeed instead.
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They were probably just hoping for 1-0 to the United.
I think we will spend something close to 200m like last time around. It will be a case of 1 out and 1 in as we've been doing since the new structure has come in.
Varane to De Ligt,
Kambwala to Yoro,
McT to Ugarte,
AWB to Mazraoui,
Martial to Zirkzee.
The only area we haven't strengthened is the attacking positions since we let go both Greenwood and Sancho last summer. They probably thought we were covered in those areas with Rashford and Garnacho for the left and Antony and Amad for the right.
Ofcourse that will change now since we are actively looking to get rid of both Rashford and Antony but I think it will the same case of 1 in 1 out this summer again.
Lindelof/Evans out for Heaven, Malacia out for Dorgu. Casemiro has effectively been replaced by Collyer from academy for now but if we manage to sell him alongside Eriksen who is more or less leaving we will get in one midfielder.
I think a midfielder, and couple of players for the no.10 positions will be the priority for this summer. A defender depending on the length of injury to Licha. Rest of the positions will depend on sales. I don't think there will be this big rebuild people are expecting.
We'll sign a striker, there's no way Amorim accepts going into next season with Hojlund and Zirkzee as his options. I'd expect 1 of them to move on this summer, most likely Zirkzee as his cost was lower so won't impact our PSR as badly.
We're in a state now that our squad isn't decided by how well players are playing or doing, but more on whether we can afford to take the loss when selling them. Hopefully once we're beyond the 3 year cycle of Casemiro and Antony transfer the burden should ease a bit.
That's why I said the rest will depend on sales. I'm pretty sure they're willing to sell everyone in the squad if the offer is good enough. We don't know what's the amount they're willing to accept for Hojlund/Zirkzee but from what we've seen we aren't actively trying to get rid of them and there needs to be enough interest in them for us to sell.
It depends if we want to move on one of them. Zirkzee might be considered as one of the options for no.10 and there's a case we will still go for another striker with them both here.
And we are still losing at home to Brighton & CP, so much for your idea of improvements.
I would be amazed if we spent much in the summer. Brexit Jim will be doing his best to get funds in, just like this window, but will be reluctant to spend.
I don't think Rashford will do anything at Villa, so he'll be staying. Similarly, I expect Antony to stay without any offers. Probably loans again for both of them.
If Garnacho or Mainoo can be sold, I imagine Jim will be all over that though. Wouldn't expect to see that translate into any major signings though.
I don't think Rashford will do anything at Villa, so he'll be staying. Similarly, I expect Antony to stay without any offers. Probably loans again for both of them.
If Garnacho or Mainoo can be sold, I imagine Jim will be all over that though. Wouldn't expect to see that translate into any major signings though.
So, what world class players will UTD be signing in the summer to make this winter window so poor?
Has anyone ever had a non conservative approach to a January transfer window? The only example I can think of is Liverpool in 2011, who were as shite as we are now, sold Torres for £50m and got Suarez but also spunked £35m on Andy Carrol and went another 9 years without a title. People need to realise January windows are always 'conservative'...ridiculous expecting us to buy real quality at this time of year.
I'm glad we haven't panic splurged like previous Januarys. I include Fernandes in that who is an example of a player who was a drastic improvement on what we had at the time (Lingard, Pereria, Mata) but in the long term doesn't have the basic technical quality for a PL winning side. We need to wait for the right players who are actually good enough for a title challenging team, not just an upgrade on the utter shit we have now. That isn't sustainable and is the exact reason for the boom bust cycle we've been in for 12 years.
I'm glad we haven't panic splurged like previous Januarys. I include Fernandes in that who is an example of a player who was a drastic improvement on what we had at the time (Lingard, Pereria, Mata) but in the long term doesn't have the basic technical quality for a PL winning side. We need to wait for the right players who are actually good enough for a title challenging team, not just an upgrade on the utter shit we have now. That isn't sustainable and is the exact reason for the boom bust cycle we've been in for 12 years.