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hellhunter said:
Raphinha is the closest to Antony, still showed it in the PL not in Holland and cost considerably less than Antony will. Using him as a comparison doesn't show the Antony deal in the favourable light you (and/or others) think it does
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Raphina and Antony have both played 9 games for Brazil, but Raphina is 25 and Antony 22. Raphina scored 3, Antony 2, so very similar...

Of the two, I know I would rather have a) the player with the higher ceiling, b) who knows the manager's system and vice versa, and c) wants to play here.

The price is high, but I think he has the potential to reach the very top, and I can't think of anyone on the lists above who I would rather get. Mahrez and Salah are both 30+, and will have to adapt their game to stay relevant. The others are all very comparable to Antony, and I think his stats would have looked much better playing with someone other than Haller. His assists numbers were damaged by poor finishing, as he created a lot of goalscoring opportunities.

Having him and Sancho on opposite flanks is a fantastic prospect, and we should thank the manager / board for making it happen (assuming it does). If Ten Hag is able to get Rashford playing like he did pre covid, and Garnacho continues to develop, our flanks are looking to be in a very good place.

Having seen how quickly Ten Hag turned things around at Ajax, I have every confidence that he will do the same here. Forget about the cost and enjoy Sancho and Antony's magic show - hypnotising defenders and making then sit down...
 
People need to realize there are many things to consider when talking about a potential transfer and it's not only a comparison of stats and which of the players is the cheapest option.

Chiesa is right-footed, so he's not even the type of player we're after.

Raphinha ignored 2 other PL clubs to join Barca, clearly wanted them and them only.

Saka is Arsenal's star boy and a vital part of their developing project. Add English tax and his potentail transfer value would easily exceed 150 million.

Diaby seems an amazing player as well, but compared to Antony the latter has prior experience working with ETH, seems to be desperate to play for United, has great confidence in himself and his abilities and wants to prove it at the biggest stage possible.

Either way, none of these players would've been sold to us for less than 80 million, knowing our recent transfer history and clubs making us overpay, and anyone thinking anyhing different is delusional. I say give the extra bucks to Antony and land ourselves a player, who actually wants to play for us for once.
 
Erik the Red said:
Raphina and Antony have both played 9 games for Brazil, but Raphina is 25 and Antony 22. Raphina scored 3, Antony 2, so very similar...

Of the two, I know I would rather have a) the player with the higher ceiling, b) who knows the manager's system and vice versa, and c) wants to play here.

The price is high, but I think he has the potential to reach the very top, and I can't think of anyone on the lists above who I would rather get. Mahrez and Salah are both 30+, and will have to adapt their game to stay relevant. The others are all very comparable to Antony, and I think his stats would have looked much better playing with someone other than Haller. His assists numbers were damaged by poor finishing, as he created a lot of goalscoring opportunities.

Having him and Sancho on opposite flanks is a fantastic prospect, and we should thank the manager / board for making it happen (assuming it does). If Ten Hag is able to get Rashford playing like he did pre covid, and Garnacho continues to develop, our flanks are looking to be in a very good place.

Having seen how quickly Ten Hag turned things around at Ajax, I have every confidence that he will do the same here. Forget about the cost and enjoy Sancho and Antony's magic show - hypnotising defenders and making then sit down...
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I think Antony is more like Mahrez/Di Maria than Salah, Salah is an inside forward, he's very direct and less of a creator than Mahrez/Di Maria, Antony helps in the build up of play and is a creative winger. I would probably put Chiesa and Saka as players more similar to Salah, especially Saka who doesn't have the creativity of a Mahrez/Di Maria.
 
justsomebloke said:
At least it automatically means you've already proven what you can deliver in the PL, as opposed to proven what you can deliver at a lower level, which may or may not translate to the PL. So, more risk and uncertainty.

Of course, all of this only goes to what you can read out of basic stats, which I would imagine is not a big part of clubs decision-making anyway.
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Again, wrong. 'Delivering' at relegation fighting Leeds and Manchester United are totally different things. Which is why we see a lot of players struggle when moving to a bigger club within the PL. While you face easier opponents at Ajax, their standards are also higher (than Leeds).
 
BulgarianDevil91 said:
People need to realize there are many things to consider when talking about a potential transfer and it's not only a comparison of stats and which of the players is the cheapest option.

Chiesa is right-footed, so he's not even the type of player we're after.

Raphinha ignored 2 other PL clubs to join Barca, clearly wanted them and them only.

Saka is Arsenal's star boy and a vital part of their developing project. Add English tax and his potentail transfer value would easily exceed 150 million.

Diaby seems an amazing player as well, but compared to Antony the latter has prior experience working with ETH, seems to be desperate to play for United, has great confidence in himself and his abilities and wants to prove it at the biggest stage possible.

Either way, none of these players would've been sold to us for less than 80 million, knowing our recent transfer history and clubs making us overpay, and anyone thinking anyhing different is delusional. I say give the extra bucks to Antony and land ourselves a player, who actually wants to play for us for once.
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Exactly. What's the point in discussing these 'alternatives' who were never really possible.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Again, wrong. 'Delivering' at relegation fighting Leeds and Manchester United are totally different things. Which is why we see a lot of players struggle when moving to a bigger club within the PL. While you face easier opponents at Ajax, their standards are also higher (than Leeds).
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Good point, look at Grealish, who was amazing at Villa, and now just can't deliver at City. There is more expectation at Ajax than at Leeds, so potentially more pressure to perform.

There is also a big difference in suitability for different styles. Just like Maguire is suited to a low block, and his lack of speed / mobility gets highlighted in Ten Hag's high defensive line, so too with wingers. For a Mourhino system, that plays a lot on the counter attack, speed and acceleration are vital. Rashford plays brilliantly in that set up. For Ten Hag's system, the ability to create chances, take on your full back, and deliver inch perfect crosses is more important, and that is why Antony is so important for the team.

Now we just need Barcelona to blink on the De Jong situation and our window is pretty much done. Goalkeeper, right back and striker will have to wait, unless there are any last minute surprises....
 
For everyone doing the comparisons, his CL per-90-minute stats compares well with other players in their respective leagues (only Chiesa also showing CL as the other three weren't in it). I understand that it's comparing fewer games but that's why I've put the stats at per 90 minutes, as it's a more telling showcase of Antony's playing at a higher level than the Dutch league.

According to this, per 90 minutes at the highest level league he's played in:
Best: Most touches, most ball recoveries, hits woodwork most, most assists, most passes overall, most passes completed, most forward, backwards and sideways passes, most tackles made, most aerial duels won, highest aerial duel success rate, no red card (only Diaby had one)
2nd: shots, pass accuracy, duels contested, fouls conceded from attempted tackles (2nd fewest), yellow cards (2nd= fewest)
3rd: Goals scored (3rd=), shot accuracy, long passes attempted, long pass accuracy, crosses attempted, ground duels contested, ground duel success rate, interceptions
4th: possession lost (2nd worst), chances created, aerial duels contested
Worst: Most offsides, no goals from outside the box, no right-footed goals, crossing accuracy, through-balls attempted, no blocks, no clearances

Sides played against in CL by Antony were: Dortmund, Sporting, Benfica, Besiktas, so should provide a reasonable high level view.
 
Miserable feckers. Everyday complaining about fees, like if we spend so much it affects your life somehow. Does your rent increase? paycheck reduced? NO. It literally does not affect you in anyway shape or form but people post with so much passion about the fee we spent like their life depended on it.
 
mazhar13 said:
Thanks to @Mickeza in the Frenkie de Jong thread (Tier 2):


This explains the recent Asensio link as relayed by Relevo.
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Does it? They're not similar. If we were genuinely in for Gakpo & Antony then Asensio would much more likely be the Antony alternative.
 
Santos J said:
Does it? They're not similar. If we were genuinely in for Gakpo & Antony then Asensio would much more likely be the Antony alternative.
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Yeah, I didn't think about that. I was looking at it in terms of the overall costs only. Asensio was supposed to be cheaper than Gakpo, especially since he wanted regular football a month or two ago. However, things have changed since then, and I think Asensio himself is open to staying now, which'll make him more expensive.

Now that you mention it, Asensio does make sense as an Antony alternative; it's just that we've pushed so hard for Antony that I struggle to see us failing to bring him in unless we somehow suddenly get de Jong.
 
Memphis, FDJ still going rumbling, Gakpo, Antony, Dubravka - Boy is it heating up the last few days of the window!

I feel sorry for those who thought the Glazers threw in the towel. (Granted I'm gonna look like a tit if only Antony/Dubravka come through. But we move, this is the Muppet train! Choo Choo!)
 
UnitedSofa said:
Memphis, FDJ still going rumbling, Gakpo, Antony, Dubravka - Boy is it heating up the last few days of the window!

I feel sorry for those who thought the Glazers threw in the towel. (Granted I'm gonna look like a tit if only Antony/Dubravka come through. But we move, this is the Muppet train! Choo Choo!)
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The Muppet train will crash big time if we don't sign any of those players. :nervous:
 
Tier 2:


United are also interested in a new central midfielder and right back but will be okay with not strengthening those positions. The bare minimum is a new attacking player and a #2 goalkeeper.

EDIT: More info
 
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Utd heap said:
Two matches! Get the right lads in for the next 3/4 years. Well worth a two match wait.
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I don't see any signings that were restrictive enough to justify such a chaotic end to window. I agree with getting right players for long term goals but such an underwhelming summer let a lot of negativity fester - that's just undeniable watching first 2 games. It may be that we end up with players we're all happy to have (id be delighted to add antony) but in the same inefficient way as previous years
 
From Loïc Tanzi (Tier 1):

Manchester United have tried to bring in Benjamin Pavard in a bid to bolster what they see as a deficient defensive sector, but to no avail.
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Translation:


Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus also shortlisted him at the start of the window alongside United, but none of them made any moves.
 
Zoo said:
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He wants regular football, so it makes sense that he's letting Jorge Mendes work things out for him, but I don't get why Real Madrid would offer him to us if Ancelotti, ultimately, wants to keep him. Maybe Asensio's made his intentions clear with them in the past but isn't necessarily making a strong push to leave Real Madrid.
 
nainaisson said:
Jason Burt is the only credible journalist saying we're still looking for another midfielder. I doubt he believes it himself.
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Rich Fay also mentioned it, but he also added on that it isn't United's highest priority at this time.
 
mazhar13 said:
Rich Fay also mentioned it, but he also added on that it isn't United's highest priority at this time.
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Its obviously de Jong or bust in terms of adding another midfielder this window. In which case it’s likely Casemiro will be the only midfielder but providing he can stay fit all season it may just be enough to see us through the season, not ideal though.
 
We have to be realistic - we have a limit. And if someone had told me in may we would sign 5 players at a total cost of over £200 million - I would not have believed it. But yes - it would be great if we added £60-70 million to get those final 2-3 players in to really have a superb squad and team again.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Its obviously de Jong or bust in terms of adding another midfielder this window. In which case it’s likely Casemiro will be the only midfielder but providing he can stay fit all season it may just be enough to see us through the season, not ideal though.
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Ideal no - but McT, Fred, Eriksen, Casemiro, Bruno and v.d Beek is a lot better than I dared hope for when the transfer window started
 
lysglimt said:
Ideal no - but McT, Fred, Eriksen, Casemiro, Bruno and v.d Beek is a lot better than I dared hope for when the transfer window started
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Oh definitely. The addition of Casemiro is massive, I just hope he’s still got plenty in the legs and can maintain his top level for the next 3-4 years. He can single-handedly do the job McFred struggled to do between them.
 
lysglimt said:
We have to be realistic - we have a limit.
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Sell players to increase this limit, what’s the problem? Sell Maguire, Bissaka, McTominay, VDB, Tuanzebe, Garner, Pellistri - every bit helps in this regard
 
syrian_scholes said:
Yeah because the buyers are lining up.
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Depends on your price usually. But if a player is surplus to requirements and isn’t going to play a role, it doesn’t matter much if he is sold for a modest price - it’s still a pure benefit compared to him being paid a wage for nothing
 
lysglimt said:
We have to be realistic - we have a limit. And if someone had told me in may we would sign 5 players at a total cost of over £200 million - I would not have believed it. But yes - it would be great if we added £60-70 million to get those final 2-3 players in to really have a superb squad and team again.
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Yeah, gotta figure it's DeJong or Antony, not both. More likely Antony at this point but maybe the holdup at this point is to give Barca time to convince DeJong to take our offer (although that Liverpool mention in the gossip thread has me a bit worried). Recent mentions of FFP for various clubs hints that the market is almost done, especially on the high end.
 
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