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VanDeBank said:
Many players have been poor/lazy for us under LVG and Mourinho. That's in the past now, maybe he wasn't ready for the EPL. Not preferring a player that's banging them in for Barcelona over a winger that scores 4 goals a season and we're looking to sell is just silly. I take it you think Martial and Lingard are better than Lukaku and Di Maria?
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This is a poor reply because of the bold bit.

The poster wasn’t saying that and you’re ignoring the point being made. It’s sad to see.

Under other managers we were not attempting to play much of a high pressing game and Depay wouldn’t offer us anything that Rashford, Sancho or Greenwood can’t do to as good or an even higher level. Want a goalscoring winger Rashford is better. A wide creator Sancho is better. A world class finisher Greenwood is better.

So while Depay is of course a better footballer than James he’d be a pointless addition to the squad and no doubt require high wages for a relatively low impact. James is different to all of the above.

Dan James purpose in the squad isn’t to be the goalscoring forward he’s a pressing winger who is (other than Bruno) our most active pressing player in our forward line. Someone like that in the squad is a great option to have and the posters point about not wanting lazy players is an important one.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
This is a poor reply because of the bold bit.

The poster wasn’t saying that and you’re ignoring the point being made. It’s sad to see.

Under other managers we were not attempting to play much of a high pressing game and Depay wouldn’t offer us anything that Rashford, Sancho or Greenwood can’t do to as good or an even higher level. Want a goalscoring winger Rashford is better. A wide creator Sancho is better. A world class finisher Greenwood is better.

So while Depay is of course a better footballer than James he’d be a pointless addition to the squad and no doubt require high wages for a relatively low impact. James is different to all of the above.

Dan James purpose in the squad isn’t to be the goalscoring forward he’s a pressing winger who is (other than Bruno) our most active pressing player in our forward line. Someone like that in the squad is a great option to have and the posters point about not wanting lazy players is an important one.
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Post like yours aren’t much better.

You place the idea of a player like Dan James above the reality of what we actually see.

Yes having forward players that press with intensity is good but when their ability on the ball is rather one dimensional it’s a tad useless in a team that plays mostly against camped defences as United do.

We play the majority of games with the ball, & are now overloaded in attacking positions; Dan James is no Ji-Sung Park so his work off the ball is often negated by how profligate he is on it.

Just because you’re expected to press off the ball shouldn’t give you a pass for being bang average with it.

He’s got to go blud.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
This is a poor reply because of the bold bit.

The poster wasn’t saying that and you’re ignoring the point being made. It’s sad to see.

Under other managers we were not attempting to play much of a high pressing game and Depay wouldn’t offer us anything that Rashford, Sancho or Greenwood can’t do to as good or an even higher level. Want a goalscoring winger Rashford is better. A wide creator Sancho is better. A world class finisher Greenwood is better.

So while Depay is of course a better footballer than James he’d be a pointless addition to the squad and no doubt require high wages for a relatively low impact. James is different to all of the above.

Dan James purpose in the squad isn’t to be the goalscoring forward he’s a pressing winger who is (other than Bruno) our most active pressing player in our forward line. Someone like that in the squad is a great option to have and the posters point about not wanting lazy players is an important one.
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Depay off the bench could actually impact the game, because he's always trying to force things. There's a reason James isn't involved much in our losses, because he's never brought on to score a goal. So unless you think he's starting material for us, it'd be silly not to take Depay over him.

We don't play a pressing game at all and Ole allows players that score goals to not track back, like Rashford and Pogba. Depay doesn't track back, but he's actually very good at pressing. He's scored a lot of goals by sniffing insecure players at the back out. Didn't he score a game against England like this (where he followed Koeman's pressing instructions to a tee)?
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Post like yours aren’t much better.

You place the idea of a player like Dan James above the reality of what we actually see.

Yes having forward players that press with intensity is good but when their ability on the ball is rather one dimensional it’s a tad useless in a team that plays mostly against camped defences as United do.

We play the majority of games with the ball, & are now overloaded in attacking positions; Dan James is no Ji-Sung Park so his work off the ball is often negated by how profligate he is on it.

Just because you’re expected to press off the ball shouldn’t give you a pass for being bang average with it.

He’s got to go blud.
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I’m not placing the idea of a player over the actual player. Dan James is a limited player whose role in the squad should be limited to those occasions where we are playing the likes of Leeds etc. I’m not advocating him being a starter nor am I making the case for him having to stay. I think a loan would be good for him to get regular football and develop further.

I agree he’s no Park but at the same time we have no other forward in wide positions that offers his energy and pressing. That IMO would be a shame to lose.

I agree he’s an average player but he for all that has been said about him seems to have a good mentality and will do his job and follow instructions (Ole has said as such)

My point is rather that simply wishing for a a Depay or such like blindly ignores that while limited Dan James has a unique skill set in our forward line.

VanDeBank said:
Depay off the bench could actually impact the game, because he's always trying to force things. There's a reason James isn't involved much in our losses, because he's never brought on to score a goal. So unless you think he's starting material for us, it'd be silly not to take Depay over him.

We don't play a pressing game at all and Ole allows players that score goals to not track back, like Rashford and Pogba. Depay doesn't track back, but he's actually very good at pressing. He's scored a lot of goals by sniffing insecure players at the back out. Didn't he score a game against England like this (where he followed Koeman's pressing instructions to a tee)?
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We will when all fit only be able to play 3 of the following:

Ronaldo
Rashford
Sancho
Greenwood
Martial
Cavani
James

This leaves no bench place for another high wage forward we have more than enough game changers in the sense you are thinking but what if we want to close out a game?

James is definitely the worst technically but he’s also the best presser and I wouldn’t want him starting most games but some (like Leeds) he’s well suited to. He’s a squad player and an option we don’t have another version of.

https://fbref.com/en/players/8f696594/Memphis-Depay
This would suggest that Depays staple work rate is low. Something that would not suit our current set up.

We do press if you can’t see that then I can’t help you I’m afraid. In almost every interview about our tactics Ole mentions a higher press it’s one of the major reasons we signed Varane.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I’m not placing the idea of a player over the actual player. Dan James is a limited player whose role in the squad should be limited to those occasions where we are playing the likes of Leeds etc. I’m not advocating him being a starter nor am I making the case for him having to stay. I think a loan would be good for him to get regular football and develop further.

I agree he’s no Park but at the same time we have no other forward in wide positions that offers his energy and pressing. That IMO would be a shame to lose.

I agree he’s an average player but he for all that has been said about him seems to have a good mentality and will do his job and follow instructions (Ole has said as such)

My point is rather that simply wishing for a a Depay or such like blindly ignores that while limited Dan James has a unique skill set in our forward line.


We will when all fit only be able to play 3 of the following:

Ronaldo
Rashford
Sancho
Greenwood
Martial
Cavani
James
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You could add Pogba to that list, really. Definitely enough depth to get rid of Martial and James.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I’m not placing the idea of a player over the actual player. Dan James is a limited player whose role in the squad should be limited to those occasions where we are playing the likes of Leeds etc. I’m not advocating him being a starter nor am I making the case for him having to stay. I think a loan would be good for him to get regular football and develop further.

I agree he’s no Park but at the same time we have no other forward in wide positions that offers his energy and pressing. That IMO would be a shame to lose.

I agree he’s an average player but he for all that has been said about him seems to have a good mentality and will do his job and follow instructions (Ole has said as such)

My point is rather that simply wishing for a a Depay or such like blindly ignores that while limited Dan James has a unique skill set in our forward line.


We will when all fit only be able to play 3 of the following:

Ronaldo
Rashford
Sancho
Greenwood
Martial
Cavani
James

This leaves no bench place for another high wage forward we have more than enough game changers in the sense you are thinking but what if we want to close out a game?

James is definitely the worst technically but he’s also the best presser and I wouldn’t want him starting most games but some (like Leeds) he’s well suited to. He’s a squad player and an option we don’t have another version of.

https://fbref.com/en/players/8f696594/Memphis-Depay
This would suggest that Depays staple work rate is low. Something that would not suit our current set up.

We do press if you can’t see that then I can’t help you I’m afraid. In almost every interview about our tactics Ole mentions a higher press it’s one of the major reasons we signed Varane.
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Poor post and effort. A lot of words to straw man me and spew a bunch of nonsense.
I never said we don't press (like you claim I did), I said we don't play a pressing game. Yes, we press at times, but we also drop back a lot. Watch Liverpool to see what a pressing game looks like. Depay isn't a big earner. He earns like 100k/w. The stat you linked is complete rubbish as well. If Depay were to come on as a sub for 10 minutes, I'm sure he'd track back, he like he has done whenever he's come off on the bench for 10 minutes. If you recognize James isn't good enough to be a starter, the 10m sub scenario is a realistic one. No one suggested Memphis would join to be on our bench. This guy prefers James over Memphis, which I reacted to:

dinostar77 said:
James has something depay will never have. Workrate, desire and determination. He maybe be a technically limited olay compared to depay but id have james over depay every day. Depay is the laziest player ive ever seen wear the utd shirt. Just awful and vastly overrated.
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ReddBalls said:
Lingard. Mabe not as fast, but he is also great at pressing and hustling whilst also being better on the ball.
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Lingard isn’t a wide player he’s a number 10 although he does press (albeit less than Dan James) so I’ll take your point.
manuchamp88 said:
You could add Pogba to that list, really. Definitely enough depth to get rid of Martial and James.
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Pogba IMO should be included as a forward or part of the front 3 not as a CM (only because he takes the position of one of the above)
 
Tom Van Persie said:


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I think a loan will do him the world of good. Despite his performances for us, I still think there’s a player in there. Just needs some confidence and to improve his decision making, which will happen with a decent coach who trusts him. Hate Leeds but I think it would be an excellent move for him. Wouldn’t write him off just yet.
 
VanDeBank said:
A lot of words to straw man me and spew a bunch of nonsense.
I never said we don't press (like you claim I did), I said we don't play a pressing game. Yes, we press at times, but we also drop back a lot. Watch Liverpool to see what a pressing game looks like. Depay isn't a big earner. He earns like 100k/w. The stat you linked is complete rubbish as well. If Depay were to come on as a sub for 10 minutes, I'm sure he'd track back, he like he has done whenever he's come off on the bench for 10 minutes. If you recognize James isn't good enough to be a starter, the 10m sub scenario is a realistic one.

Poor post and effort.
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You’re one of them. Ok have a good day.

Not worth the time or effort if you’re going to say things then say that’s not what you said. We press and even when dropping back we still press. James would do that job better than Depay.

Why is the stat rubbish? What are you referring to specifically?

I provided evidence to substantiate my point where is yours?
 
Irrational. said:
I think a loan will do him the world of good.
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We need to sell to raise funds. He will never reach the level required to be useful for us - he lacks basic ability. Technique, passing, decision making, shooting, ball control - he simply lacks basics.

Honestly, I have no idea why many people want to hold onto such an average player - just sell him and move forward.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
You’re one of them. Ok have a good day.

Not worth the time or effort if you’re going to say things then say that’s not what you said. We press and even when dropping back we still press. James would do that job better than Depay.

Why is the stat rubbish? What are you referring to specifically?

I provided evidence to substantiate my point where is yours?
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"Ok have a good day", then you continue the conversation :wenger:

-James (or a hypothetical Memphis) shouldn't start for us. That means their workrate over 90 minutes isn't irrelevant (your stat isn't sorted by sub and starting appearances). If James were to start it should be a for cup game where we're completely on top, and in those games, I'd prefer Memphis.

You do understand Memphis tracks back if he comes on as a sub? You can look back at his sporadic sub appearances in the past, like those in the Brazil world cup. He made a run from his own half for the goal he scored. Why do you think he was deep in his own half?

Yes James tracks back more as a starter, but I wouldn't say he's better at pressing. He can cut off a passing option for the opposition's defense. but he's incapable of taking the ball off a CB (unlike Memphis who has bullied CBs on occasion and doesn't fall over every time he's challenged).

Memphis is good at pressing, evidenced by all the goals he's scored by winning the ball from pressing. I referenced the game against England where he did exactly that and pressed perfectly according to the manager's instructions.

Or do you think Stones/Maguire weren't under pressure when they gifted Memphis the ball and they'd have reacted the same to James running at them, who they could easily shield off the ball with just their pinky?

Have a good day.
 
Hopefully this summer can put an end to this myth that other clubs work so much more quickly and efficiently.
 
Withnail said:
Neither are capable of playing every game anyway so there should be plenty of opportunities.

Why would he be wasting a year?
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I assume he would like to start CL matches and big games in general, and i also assume(important word here :P) Ronaldo will take his spot in those games. But he may be content with starting cup games and the odd pl games + substitutions.
 
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