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We aren't going to throw €500m at one man.
Fully agree with the first part generally. But our improvement since dropping pogba shows that attitude is key for us to get results right nowThis is the problem with the Premier League mentality; player in form - buy buy buy at any cost; player out of form - awful awful awful avoid at any cost.
Cost being the thing that balloons because of this mentality.
What Ozil would give us is a subtlety and cleverness that we've severely lacked for some time. Mata is the closest we have to offering this but lacks the pace and overall quality Ozil has to stretch and unlock defences on his own. You don't need to use Pogba and Ozil together in every game, or you could use a diamond to play them both alongside two runners like Herrera and Matic, even play Ozil from the right now that Dalot provides width.
Point being he's a proven world class talent when utilised properly and at £25m it's a pinch, as we'll inevitably see from the far more transfer savvy Italians.
Neymar wouldn’t last a year living In Manchester, let alone playing for a struggling side. Would be a colossal waste of money, right up ED’s alley that.
Yes, playing for a proper functioning team helps with that too.Yet I imagine people would expect him to cope just fine living in Manchester if he joined the blue side, where South Americans seem to have little trouble settling.
Yes, playing for a proper functioning team helps with that too.
Honestly I think he’d would be a masive failure here, and he isn’t worth that kind of money for a team trying to rebuild itself and its core.
Not exactly a transfer tweet now, but it would have been
We had LVG here when De Jong was 18. He would've been thrown straight into the first team for better or worse.Even if we had to sign De Ligt by 16, he would be getting Chong treatment and Frenkie De Jong would rotting in U23 under dinosaurs coaches.
Not exactly a transfer tweet now, but it would have been.
United were recommended Frenkie de Jong and Matthijs de Ligt before they made their first-team debuts with Ajax, according to the club's former head of youth recruitment, Derek Langley.
Had United chiefs listened to Langley's recommendation, though, it could have been very different.
"Players that they turned down? Matthijs de Ligt. We had God knows how many reports on Matthijs de Ligt. Frenkie de Jong and all these players now are sort of around Europe," the 68-year-old told MEN Sport. "Dayot Upamecano, who is now at Red Bull Leipzig, was another.
"This was one of the reasons why I had a meeting with Ed Woodward and I told him that I wasn't convinced with the competency of certain people at the club. I told Ed Woodward quite straight: 'If you think I'm going to sit here and just tell you what you want to hear, I'm not that man because I'm going to tell you exactly how I see it'.
"I think it was possibly part of my downfall as to why seven months down the line I was removed because I wouldn't tow the line in relation to telling them exactly what I thought.
"It's one of them things in football - you come to accept it. Manchester United thanked me for the time I spent there and the players I'd taken in, but ultimately we could have been so much better if people had listened."
This is quite worrying..
This is quite worrying..
Not exactly a transfer tweet now, but it would have been.
United were recommended Frenkie de Jong and Matthijs de Ligt before they made their first-team debuts with Ajax, according to the club's former head of youth recruitment, Derek Langley.
Had United chiefs listened to Langley's recommendation, though, it could have been very different.
"Players that they turned down? Matthijs de Ligt. We had God knows how many reports on Matthijs de Ligt. Frenkie de Jong and all these players now are sort of around Europe," the 68-year-old told MEN Sport. "Dayot Upamecano, who is now at Red Bull Leipzig, was another.
"This was one of the reasons why I had a meeting with Ed Woodward and I told him that I wasn't convinced with the competency of certain people at the club. I told Ed Woodward quite straight: 'If you think I'm going to sit here and just tell you what you want to hear, I'm not that man because I'm going to tell you exactly how I see it'.
"I think it was possibly part of my downfall as to why seven months down the line I was removed because I wouldn't tow the line in relation to telling them exactly what I thought.
"It's one of them things in football - you come to accept it. Manchester United thanked me for the time I spent there and the players I'd taken in, but ultimately we could have been so much better if people had listened."
De Jong was signed by Ajax from Willem ll. What worries me is someone who was at the club for almost two decades telling our CEO of people within the setup to be incompetent. That's pretty damning and worrying. Hopefully Woodward took notice..Not really. The fact is, both those players are still at Ajax. That means no other big club signed them either, and they are the hottest on the market now. This looks like it’s just being skewed as a United thing.
De Jong was signed by Ajax from Willem ll. What worries me is someone who was at the club for almost two decades telling our CEO of people within the setup to be incompetent. That's pretty damning and worrying. Hopefully Woodward took notice..
I know De Jong was signed from Willem. My point was, due to it being fashionable on here, this has become a United story. The reality is, every top club wants them both now, and they didn’t sign them either.
Even if we had to sign De Ligt by 16, he would be getting Chong treatment and Frenkie De Jong would rotting in U23 under dinosaurs coaches. That's why we are looking to buy a lower division club where we can send our best talents.
It's a United story because our scout identified these players and has publicly criticised the club for not acting properly.
It is, yet the combination of scout/director at every other top club didn’t sign them either. Yet they want them now. So the implied incompetence spreads throughout. Either scouts simply missed their talent at other top clubs, which is incompetent in itself, or the clubs chose not to sign them, which is no better on their parts. Yet because it is fashionable to try and ‘expose incompetence at United’, it has become a public matter as to why we, only we, did not sign De Jong and De Ligt at 16 or whatever, while Barcelona who want to spend £100m on each are not questioned. Who should be blamed there for not getting them for £300,000? Who should be sacked at City for not buying Stones from Barnsley?
It’s a non-story, all part of the game. We don’t sign every top youngster, for various reasons. Nor does any other top club.
The point is the scout is saying there is a wider problem, beyond just the two Dutch players. He is just using them as an example.
Just seems like much-ado-about-nothing to me. We’ve signed plenty other talented kids in that time, so we know what to do. Just because he recommended Upemecano doesn’t mean we’d get him anyway. From what I recall, we really wanted to sign him, as did half of Europe, and he went to a team where he would play first. Half of Europe also wanted to sign Aliou Traore and Tahith Chong, but we managed to do those deals, and look like wrapping up a deal for Emeran. We also got Dalot ahead of all other top clubs. Swings and roundabouts, just puts being played out in the press, as per usual.
He’s the kind that scores highly on a triple word on scrabble.What kind of midfielder is he Ndombele? x
What kind of midfielder is he Ndombele? x
Apparently he is 6'8"...nuff said.
What kind of midfielder is he Ndombele? x
He’s the kind that scores highly on a triple word on scrabble.
Apparently he is 6'8"...nuff said.
Mousa Dembele from Tottenham is probably the best comparison.
I wasn’t trolling, there are some serious points on offer there.Why are you all trolling me?
Why are you all trolling me?
Why are you all trolling me?
I was too busy celebrating Bilbao at last winning a game. Whoops!
*whispers* wrong thread
Meh, I bet he put forward some absolute donkey's too, but he won't mention them because it doesn't make him sound as good. It's probably not completely false, but does have a shade of disgruntled ex employee about it. I'd take it with a pinch of salt.The point is the scout is saying there is a wider problem, beyond just the two Dutch players. He is just using them as an example.
De Jong was signed by Ajax from Willem ll. What worries me is someone who was at the club for almost two decades telling our CEO of people within the setup to be incompetent. That's pretty damning and worrying. Hopefully Woodward took notice..
Any idea what Sergio Canales is up to these days?I was too busy celebrating Bilbao at last winning a game. Whoops!