Transfer Tweets - 2018/19 | Remember if posting foreign language tweets to post in English too

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nainaisson said:
It's a typical Woodward tactic: attempt to fool fans into believing you're willing to invest in the squad by bidding on an unrealistic target. The target is usually Neymar or Bale, but this time it was Varane.
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He can't help himself. As soon as he got the gig he was going all out for Fabregas, then it was Ramos the following year.
 
Kostov said:
Apart from Smalling none of our CBs is horrible on the ball. Our attacking play has much bigger issues than the CBs starting the play from deep. Anyone thinking a CB would improve our attack of any note is ridiculous. We don't have a single RW in the squad, playing Mata and Lingard there. How we haven't addressed that position is beyond me.
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First of all thank you for calling me ridiculous... Secondly Jones and Bailey are very mediocre on the ball and while not as bad as Smalling they still don’t offer enough. Lindelöf could be used but he needs a partner that can lead the defense.
We do indeed need a new RW, but we also need a new CB. We need both.
 
VintageWhatnots said:
Let's get things straight here, I'm not saying, and I haven't once said that Ed had a good window. I'm not making excuses for the outcome, I am simply pointing out, that as individuals that aren't privy to the pertinent information, we can't make the appropriate judgement to decide on how well Ed as an individual performed.

Your insistent comparison to Moyes just doesn't wash, we all knew the circumstances and factors (the majority of which at least) that lead to the results. We know what set of players he had, what team he picked, what formation he chose, what tactics, what subs, what injuries, and suspensions. When all that was considered, finishing 6th or whatever wasn't good enough. If he'd had half the season with the entire first team out injured, then we probably would have looked at it, and thought, it's not the outcome we wanted, but all things considered we can't complain too much.


You can't completely separate finances and player recruitment, they are intrinsically linked, players cost a lot of money, then there are agent fees, and wages etc etc. All of these things are considered whenever any player is bought, if they're not, you end up like Leeds.

Of course you can't just not spend anything ever either, or you still end up also rans, only with a large pot of money that would just dwindle away.

From a purely footballing perspective the window was terrible for united, I don't disagree, we set out to get 5 players, and we didn't get them.

Ed, however, can't look at it from a purely footballing perspective, and we don't know the circumstances that led to us only getting two of our targets.

I'm being far from hypocritical, you're quite right I don't know what happened in the negotiations, or what other factors were being applied to Ed. That supports my argument not hinders it, as I'm precisely saying that we don't know so we can't judge.

You say I'm all over the place, but half of what I say is in direct response to your points, the rest supports the fact you shouldn't judge without the facts.

You can keep banging on about 2/5 but ultimately unless you know the reasons for the results they are meaningless in isolation. An employer doesn't sack someone because they got 2/5, they find out why you got 2/5, or better still, already know why you only got 2/5, and then make a judgement on if that was acceptable given all the circumstance.

Please don't reply again, I don't want to be replying to you, going around in circles, this isn't the place for it, and I'm pretty confident no one else in the caf wants to read our too and fro.

So we'll agree to disagree

You can continue to judge people without knowing the facts that led to their situation.

I will continue to reserve judgement
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Quite the opposite I'm judging based on facts. You're making suppositions and excuses.

Context is a valid complaint for a single game or player transfer, but a stretch when you're using it to excuse an entire season/transfer window.

Moyes failed to meet a satisfactory outcome over the course 38 (34) games, though I'm sure there are extenuating circumstances for every point list.

Woodward failed to meet a satisfactory outcome over the negotiation for 5 portions with 2 or 3 targets each (so let's say between 10 and 15 targets altogether), though I'm sure there are extenuating circumstance for each deal that was missed.

These things even themselves out over the course of whatever period you wish to choose.. For both Moyes and Ed, they evened themselves out to an picture of overall failure.

You can say "but, but, but..." all you want. The results are what any professional is judged on.
 
Lyng said:
First of all thank you for calling me ridiculous... Secondly Jones and Bailey are very mediocre on the ball and while not as bad as Smalling they still don’t offer enough. Lindelöf could be used but he needs a partner that can lead the defense.
We do indeed need a new RW, but we also need a new CB. We need both.
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No problem. Jones and Bailly are as mediocre on the ball as most of the CBs at the other big clubs in England. Do they offer enough? I think they do, but I'm old fashioned.

I said "would improve our attack of any note" meaning it might help us improve the build up to some level, but nothing that would make a difference to our attack. RW on the other hand would, we usually play with only one functional wing, which makes us very lacking in attacking sense.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Jose and Woodward and the Scout team can all go, and we can probably open the Jose Sack Watch thread already. They all seem to be pulling in different directions. This season will surely be Jose's last, probably a Chelsea style meltdown again.

Its not just that Woodward didn't buy who was needed, he couldn't even sell Darmian and Rojo. Manager asked for two more and didn't get even one, and Woodward is now acting like he knows more about footballer's qualities than Mourinho. What a shite season this will be.
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Valencia's injury halted Darmian's exit. Mourinho said we couldn't let him go until Valencia or Dalot returned and there wasn't much point in selling Rojo without bringing someone in first given Jones' fitness record. Fosu-Mensah and Tuanzebe needed to go somewhere to get regular football and Lindelof, Bailly, Smalling and Jones wouldn't be enough to last the season.
 
Dante said:
Quite the opposite I'm judging based on facts. You're making suppositions and excuses.

Context is a valid complaint for a single game or player transfer, but a stretch when you're using it to excuse an entire season/transfer window.

Moyes failed to meet a satisfactory outcome over the course 38 (34) games, though I'm sure there are extenuating circumstances for every point list.

Woodward failed to meet a satisfactory outcome over the negotiation for 5 portions with 2 or 3 targets each (so let's say between 10 and 15 targets altogether), though I'm sure there are extenuating circumstance for each deal that was missed.

These things even themselves out over the course of whatever period you wish to choose.. For both Moyes and Ed, they evened themselves out to an picture of overall failure.

You can say "but, but, but..." all you want. The results are what any professional is judged on.
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In any professional environment, people are judged on results, dependent upon circumstances.
 
Sereques said:
Maguire is not worth 75M, Spending 50M on Alderweireld when he will be free in 12months is bad business. Mina? give me a break. Only acute muppets will sanction those signings. If Mourinho is desperate for a defender, why did he let Tuanzebe go to Villa?
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How many more times, aldy will NOT be free in a year.
Got it? Will not be.
 
It's a 'between a rock and a hard place' situation really, according to the brief, the club don't want to spend on 'quick fixes' looking for short term success. But these 'quick fixes' are on a list of targets Jose feels will propel the club into success and as he's only here for 2 more seasons, short term success is all he can achieve. Jose can only be judged on what he achieves season to season and that's what we should be doing, you simply have to back the manager and when he's got what he wants, then judge him. We can't now sack him at the end of the season because we didn't win the league after not backing him this summer, that's just unreasonable.

But on the other hand, if Jose had his way, we'd have got Willian for upwards £70m and Alderweireld for £50-60m, I don't think the Caf would've been happy about that, nor would I. I'm not saying Jose should trust in youth but the board are right in not being taken to the cleaners with the fees we were quoted for players that are inferior of the quality we come to expect of United players.

Either way, the soundings coming out aren't great, Jose complaining in press conferences about the list he gave Ed, thus meaning it's on Eds shoulders if we have a bad window. Then Ed clearly briefing the press to clear his name, as we'd only pay big money for world class players in the positions Jose wanted.

This needs to be nipped in the bud as soon as possible, it can't bubble on into the new season.
 
Sassy Colin said:
But why would the club seek to undermine the manager? It's to the club's benefit to support Jose in all things.
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I suspect that in this instance the "Club" is Ed and he is seeking to exhonerate the "Club" at Jose's expense. I think we have seen the dirty side of Ed in this window.

Additionally, I find it very annoying that the Club has not attempted to squash all the Mourinho bating and the rumours of discontent. I do feel he has been hung out to dry a bit.

I am hoping that we will see a reaction to this, in a positive way, on the pitch tonight. I am hoping he unleashes fury. :nervous:
 


-Real Madrid negotiating for Thiago Alcantara.
-They have an agreement with the player. Opposed to James or Lewandowski, Bayern is willing to negotiate.
-The player is delighted to meet again with Lopetegui.
 
GaryLifo said:
Not sure that's true. Free agents are protected from transfer window rules otherwise it's seen as restrictive work practices. At least that's how I've always understood it to be
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My understanding is that the transfer window is a window where you can register players with the league. There's nothing stopping clubs from employing these players (e.g as Leicester inadvertently did when they signed a player seconds after the window shut last year), but they can't be registered with the League until the next window.
 
NotQuiteManc said:
BOLD PART: Thoughts so. Anything for the clickbait. I am disappointed with the transfer window, but I agree if someone that is not that much better than the current crop of players, especially CB, I would rather wait for United to wait until the right opportunity comes. Toby would cost "only" 25 mil come January, if the info is accurate.

In terms of that elusive right winger and LB, probably something is happening in the background but reserved for future transfer perhaps? I, for one believe the loaning of TFM to Fulham might give United slight advantage for future transfer Sessegnon. This is of course based on nothing, just a guess.
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I had the same thoughts on Sessegnon, but Khan statement this week seems like he wants to keep him - they've also invested a lot this window which suggests they want to be a player.

Alderweirelds 25M release clause comes in to effect in the last 2 weeks of next summer ewadline I believe. But I think 40M might get him in January, just a feeling.
 
Doctor Tornasol said:


-Real Madrid negotiating for Thiago Alcantara.
-They have an agreement with the player. Opposed to James or Lewandowski, Bayern is willing to negotiate.
-The player is delighted to meet again with Lopetegui.
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I think he is too expensive and with too much caché to be the substitute of Kovacic(in another tweet they said that would come for Kovacic),according with the idea of the club: max 24/25 years old,and no more than 30/35m€.
If he is coming in Luka's place maybe I would choose another profile
 
carvajal said:
I think he is too expensive and with too much caché to be the substitute of Kovacic(in another tweet they said that would come for Kovacic),according with the idea of the club: max 24/25 years old,and no more than 30/35m€.
If he is coming in Luka's place maybe I would choose another profile
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I agree. Thiago's time to sign for a Top5 international club may be potentially gone, too many injuries, too much risk. He should go to Inter, Roma, Napoli... Something like that. Xavi exploded as a player when he was 27 or 28, one can't make a rule out of him. But he's a so good football player I wouldn't dismiss giving another chance, he's still 27 or 28.

On the other hand, Florentino always wanted to sign him since he was a Barça player about to leave the club, but back then Flo did not want to pay the release clause triggering a war with Barça... and he was the teacher's pet in U-21 NT and the NT with Lopetegui.
 
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:lol::lol::lol:

After all of last night's briefing this stuff just takes the biscuit
 
VintageWhatnots said:
In any professional environment, people are judged on results, dependent upon circumstances.
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Not over an entire business window.

Moyes could have pointed to some kind of bad luck in every single one of his games, and then made your excuse at the end of the season.

No boss on the planet will listen to all of your excuses for all of your failures over an entire period, then chalk it up to 'cirumstances'. That's ridiculous. Maybe they'll listen to one or two cases, but any more than that and it's your incompetence as an employee that's at fault.
 
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