All the journos are writing identical info, with incredible detail. Got to be a club briefing, with Ed pushing back, making himself blameless again.
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All the journos are writing identical info, with incredible detail. Got to be a club briefing, with Ed pushing back, making himself blameless again.
Second time in a few days we've had the hacks writing about there being money available despite it not being spent.
Woodward's possibly, not sure. Do you think it's more likely that every news source, including some who tend to be reliable (Taylor, Wallace and the BBC), made up the exact same story?
Or why they hired him in the first place.
Well he has signed one centre back each summer (apart from this) so hardly gone crazy with it, all the others here were not his. I think he did make a poor buy in Lindelof last year though. Also we dont know what s list was exactly, for example owner of Napoli mentioning a big bid for there star centre back turned down, if true may have been us.
Have to say though, I was desperate for a quality centre back as I dont rate any of ours very highly, think Bailly can be a very good one with the right partner, which there isnt here for him still. But the rumoured list wasnt exactly exciting in my opinion even though better than what we have Mina know little about but looking forward to seeing how well he does for Everton, Maguire I still think is a good premiership defender but the world cup did escalate both his fee and peoples opinions of him, Boateng is talented but unintelligent and mistakes always happening bit like David Luiz, Alderweiweld is a very good defender and done very well at SPurs but is he one of the worlds best and he is coming up to 30.
Lots of rumours with some but what about the likes of Koulibaily, Romagnoli, Upemecano, Kimbempe, Marqhuinos, Giminez, Unai Nunez, DeLight even Pavard and Sarr. Not realy seen anything of him but even Leceister managed to sign a supposedly very promising centre back for £20m with the Turkish player they signed.
Either back and trust your manager or look at replacing him. Lets face it, the situation likely now is unless we hit the ground running things are going to turn toxic with a sacking or walk out before the end of the season.
Amazing. Every single one of them know the truth but all differ.
Why bring in a short-term manager and then refuse to let him do what he does best? Woodward, or the board, are coming across as having no vision. Which is nothing new really
Are there any journos Ed hasn't briefed with this story that we'll spend money but only on long term talent that are clear upgrades?
Nope. He thought it was important to get out the heroic story, of how he undermined his manager by vetoing his football decisions, on the eve of our first game of the new season.
Well, I read that Mourinho had only eyes on Varane. Or I just wrote that to sell my shitty story.
He's talking shite.
Boateng has missed half the matches in the last two years, already failed once in the Prem, and I tend to back Neville's judgement on him re his shoe collection. Mina is not an upgrade on anyone we've got right now. Just as unproven as Lindelof, behind Bailly, far less established than Jones or Smalling.
Maguire or Alderweireld would have been upgrades and starters alongside Bailly, yes, but I think the club was open to Maguire, just Leicester were not playing ball at all. He's a good player but he's not worthy of a VVD fee. Alderweireld has his own fitness issues and there's also the question of Levy.
I think what is most annoying is the manager's insistence that we needed a centre back when we could have strengthened elsewhere. I really think it isn't our biggest problem area.
That's nonsense, just because they can sign does not mean they will sign from an English team. I think English teams will just say the mercato is over for them and to come back in Jan or next summer. That should teach other European teams that if you want to deal with English teams, you have to act fast as well.I only know teams from other leagues can still buy players. Still possibility for naughty stuff to happen.
A new CB would never make us play a better football attacking wise. We should have been 100% in for a RW, surely a world class CB would help us but there were only few available and we didn't want to pay over the odds for players who are not that big upgrade
But why would the club seek to undermine the manager? It's to the club's benefit to support Jose in all things.
What are you talking about? We are superior to City by a fair margin in almost every off-field category.
Because our board are being mocked for failing to sign Joses players and are making out its by design.
Pile it on Jose, keep our job safe. Booooo Jose..
Jose and Woodward and the Scout team can all go, and we can probably open the Jose Sack Watch thread already. They all seem to be pulling in different directions. This season will surely be Jose's last, probably a Chelsea style meltdown again.
Its not just that Woodward didn't buy who was needed, he couldn't even sell Darmian and Rojo. Manager asked for two more and didn't get even one, and Woodward is now acting like he knows more about footballer's qualities than Mourinho. What a shite season this will be.
Its not just that Woodward didn't buy who was needed, he couldn't even sell Darmian and Rojo. Manager asked for two more and didn't get even one, and Woodward is now acting like he knows more about footballer's qualities than Mourinho. What a shite season this will be.
Darmian will still likely go once Valencia is back. Rojo will be kept as back up until we get in the additional CB Jose wants. Probably Alderweireld in January
Maguire is not worth 75M, Spending 50M on Alderweireld when he will be free in 12months is bad business. Mina? give me a break. Only acute muppets will sanction those signings. If Mourinho is desperate for a defender, why did he let Tuanzebe go to Villa?
Alderweireld will be £25 million next year. Tuanzebe is on loan at a championship side for a reason.
I don't want to click it, but is that headline a quote or just some random journalist's comment?
It's Jose's picture, and there is one topic about United, but it's more about the FA. And I tend to agree. The transfer window shortening is not a bad idea, but clubs should be allowed to buy from foreign clubs until end of Aug. Only buy, not sell, or something like that.
This idiot has proved in the last 48 hrs that he knows feck all about just about anything.
The quote has no relation to Mourinho or United - the arrogance, cockiness is Martin Samuel feeling on the shortened transfer window in general. The Media see blood with our fanbase and are milking it.
Let's get things straight here, I'm not saying, and I haven't once said that Ed had a good window. I'm not making excuses for the outcome, I am simply pointing out, that as individuals that aren't privy to the pertinent information, we can't make the appropriate judgement to decide on how well Ed as an individual performed.
Your insistent comparison to Moyes just doesn't wash, we all knew the circumstances and factors (the majority of which at least) that lead to the results. We know what set of players he had, what team he picked, what formation he chose, what tactics, what subs, what injuries, and suspensions. When all that was considered, finishing 6th or whatever wasn't good enough. If he'd had half the season with the entire first team out injured, then we probably would have looked at it, and thought, it's not the outcome we wanted, but all things considered we can't complain too much.
You can't completely separate finances and player recruitment, they are intrinsically linked, players cost a lot of money, then there are agent fees, and wages etc etc. All of these things are considered whenever any player is bought, if they're not, you end up like Leeds.
Of course you can't just not spend anything ever either, or you still end up also rans, only with a large pot of money that would just dwindle away.
From a purely footballing perspective the window was terrible for united, I don't disagree, we set out to get 5 players, and we didn't get them.
Ed, however, can't look at it from a purely footballing perspective, and we don't know the circumstances that led to us only getting two of our targets.
I'm being far from hypocritical, you're quite right I don't know what happened in the negotiations, or what other factors were being applied to Ed. That supports my argument not hinders it, as I'm precisely saying that we don't know so we can't judge.
You say I'm all over the place, but half of what I say is in direct response to your points, the rest supports the fact you shouldn't judge without the facts.
You can keep banging on about 2/5 but ultimately unless you know the reasons for the results they are meaningless in isolation. An employer doesn't sack someone because they got 2/5, they find out why you got 2/5, or better still, already know why you only got 2/5, and then make a judgement on if that was acceptable given all the circumstance.
Please don't reply again, I don't want to be replying to you, going around in circles, this isn't the place for it, and I'm pretty confident no one else in the caf wants to read our too and fro.
So we'll agree to disagree
You can continue to judge people without knowing the facts that led to their situation.
I will continue to reserve judgement
The idea that Alderweireld wouldn't have vastly improved our back line is a good indication of what a complete and total imbecile Woodward is on the footballing side of things, which makes it even more sad and pathetic that he's allowed to act as the club's director of football.
BOLD PART: Thoughts so. Anything for the clickbait. I am disappointed with the transfer window, but I agree if someone that is not that much better than the current crop of players, especially CB, I would rather wait for United to wait until the right opportunity comes. Toby would cost "only" 25 mil come January, if the info is accurate.
In terms of that elusive right winger and LB, probably something is happening in the background but reserved for future transfer perhaps? I, for one believe the loaning of TFM to Fulham might give United slight advantage for future transfer Sessegnon. This is of course based on nothing, just a guess.
This is such a ridiculously dumb briefing. What kind of an idiot thought that would make him look good in any possible way?
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Can't understand why we haven't bought a fecking right winger... Anyone would have been an improvement. Maybe try shoehorn Martial in?
What a shambles of a window. It's idiotic if Woody basically told Mourinho it's Varane or nothing knowing Madrid were not going to sell after an excellent World Cup. We knew what we were getting when we hired Mourinho so why are we not backing him after giving him a new contract? Yes we have to pay over the odds but that's the way the market is and we have the money to do so. Sometimes quick fixes are needed to have experienced players with the right mentality. Alderweireld would have been a big upgrade on our current CBs but we didn't even make a bid, probably because we think we can save a few pennies and get him on the cheap next year rendering this season more or less a write-off. We are run by morons.
Or an LB? All this shit coming out of the media through the briefing is so stupid.
Keane was one of the top young midfielders in the country. Who knows what the fee would translate into these days, but if something like that came up now we'd be all over it. Just like with Rooney. £12 mil was a lot for Ronaldo.
The thing is, mind of those CB he's mentioned would come anywhere near
I remember when the early closure was being discussed last year I saw a bit of Sunday supplement. Not sure if Samuel was on there, but I remember that pretty much every journalist thought it was a great idea at the time.
When someone pointed out that foreign clubs could raid the EPL after the deadline they were all like ''nah, we can't get replacements so we'll just say no". Now, lo and behold, they're all saying the opposite might actually happen?!
Honestly, what a bunch of feckers.
This team had much bigger problems to be solved than spending a ton of money on a CB. Does anyone really believe that Toby or Maguire would have solved our lack of goals upfront? Yeah me neither.
It's a typical Woodward tactic: attempt to fool fans into believing you're willing to invest in the squad by bidding on an unrealistic target. The target is usually Neymar or Bale, but this time it was Varane.
We have a big issue where our CB’s are horrible on the ball and never drive the ball forward, this forces the rest of our players to start out attacking play much deeper, and limits our overall attacking play.
A Varane would have helped a ton here, but sadly he wasn’t available. Toby might have helped too.
Apart from Smalling none of our CBs is horrible on the ball. Our attacking play has much bigger issues than the CBs starting the play from deep. Anyone thinking a CB would improve our attack of any note is ridiculous. We don't have a single RW in the squad, playing Mata and Lingard there. How we haven't addressed that position is beyond me.
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