Transfer Tweets - 2018/19 | Remember if posting foreign language tweets to post in English too

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Find it strange that we "only" offered 150k\week, with our fecked up wage structure he'd easily be a 200k\week player. Likely his last big contract as well so we should have pushed out the boat, would have been great to have a leader at the back again.
 
You cmpared Ed's job to yours.

If the clubs of our transfer targets were demanding higher than market value, it's Woodward's job to bring the price down. That's what a good negotiatior does... that's what an experienced business man does... Woodward failed at his job.



Strawman.


Strawman.

Ed literally can't lose on the caf, he pays the going rate, then he's got the man we need, he walks away from a target, he's kept our transfer kitty secure.


You're making excuses for the sake of making excuses. This line of reasoning could be extended ad infinitum. Hell, Moyes could still be manager if you absolved him of blame for every single one of his failings.

I'll reply this one last time, because you're just talking nonsense now.

I compared it to my job, after you started saying you work in sales, so I compared my experience to that of yours

Negotiations break down all the time, regardless of how good the negotiators are, if a club isn't willing to move on price it isn't necessarily because the buyer is a bad negotiator, again without knowing all the facts, it is impossible to apportion blame.

They're not strawman arguments at all, that is literally how the majority of the caf responds. There are very few if any that respond how you outline, just because you wrote it, doesn't make it true.

No that line of reasoning can't be extended to Moyes, he is judged on tangible results, like how far we go in cups, and our league position. They weren't good enough so he was sacked.

Ed is judged on what he does for the finances of Manchester United, which are better than they've ever been.

You can't judge him on negotiations for footballers that you have zero facts about.
 
Find it strange that we "only" offered 150k\week, with our fecked up wage structure he'd easily be a 200k\week player. Likely his last big contract as well so we should have pushed out the boat, would have been great to have a leader at the back again.
I'd say his agent quoted a number that Atletico could match, got a yes and off he ran.
Atletico might have called his bluff if he asked for more.
 
Over £20m for Ings. Wow.
Amazing isn't it? While the likes of Liverpool manage to sell their useless players like Ings who has scored like 3 goals in 3 years, we struggle to sell Argentina and Italy NT first choice players like Rojo and Darmian.
 
Don't want to open a new thread just for this, so I'll ask here: What's the deal with all these loans with obligations to buy? Some sort of strategy as a consequence of Financial Fair Play?
 
Don't want to open a new thread just for this, so I'll ask here: What's the deal with all these loans with obligations to buy? Some sort of strategy as a consequence of Financial Fair Play?

Pretty much yeah.
 
I'll reply this one last time, because you're just talking nonsense now.

I compared it to my job, after you started saying you work in sales, so I compared my experience to that of yours

Negotiations break down all the time, regardless of how good the negotiators are, if a club isn't willing to move on price it isn't necessarily because the buyer is a bad negotiator, again without knowing all the facts, it is impossible to apportion blame.

They're not strawman arguments at all, that is literally how the majority of the caf responds. There are very few if any that respond how you outline, just because you wrote it, doesn't make it true.

No that line of reasoning can't be extended to Moyes, he is judged on tangible results, like how far we go in cups, and our league position. They weren't good enough so he was sacked.

Ed is judged on what he does for the finances of Manchester United, which are better than they've ever been.

You can't judge him on negotiations for footballers that you have zero facts about.
You could make an excuse for every one of Moyes' failures. Just as you're doing for Woodward.

But if you look at Moyes performance as a whole, you'll see it wasn't good enough. Just as it isn't with Woodward.

Occam's Razor is a fine thing. But when you have a trend of failures and corroborating evidence over the course of transfer window, it's the trend you use as the base evidence.

Your appeals to what-about-ism don't wash.

You're shifting the goalposts by praising Ed's handling of our finances. This discussion is about his failures in player recruitment.

The facts I have are that only 2 out of 5 signings were completed. Same as the facts you have.

Your points are all over the place and you're switching tack with every sentence. I've been consistent in talking about results over the course of the window. They're not good enough, regardless of any excuses you make about individual transfer dealings.

Incidentally, you know nothing about the contexts of the individual negotiations either. So by referring to them, you're being hypocritical. The only thing you do know about, is about the results of those individual negotiations. Overall, they've been poor. 2 out of 5: that's way below what a club would expect. Woodward has failed by the metrics of the average Chief Exec/Chairman. There's no disputing that.
 
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"Jose Mourinho was told by Manchester United that the club would only sign a world-class defender of the calibre of Real Madrid’s World Cup winner Raphael Varane rather than compromise with a lesser light, despite the manager’s demands otherwise. United would have paid £100 million for Varane but the World Cup winner was never available and as the options were put to them over the course of a transfer window there were too many good reasons to ignore them."
 

"Jose Mourinho was told by Manchester United that the club would only sign a world-class defender of the calibre of Real Madrid’s World Cup winner Raphael Varane rather than compromise with a lesser light, despite the manager’s demands otherwise. United would have paid £100 million for Varane but the World Cup winner was never available and as the options were put to them over the course of a transfer window there were too many good reasons to ignore them."


So even when it's over, we are still getting linked with basically every CB on the planet? Was that a list of targets or simply a list of the CBs of every team that Jose handed Ed?
 
Mourinho wants the right player. Woodward wants a galctico. In other words, the money was there, but the decision was made above the manager's head.

United are on a hiding to nothing.
 

"United have the money to do big deals. They were prepared to do exactly that to get a top player, which Varane undoubtedly is.
Executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward would not have flinched had Real Madrid told him to write a cheque for £100m for the Frenchman"
 
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