Saying his baby is born and healthy and he should he back at work is entirely different to saying he shouldn't be there for the birth.
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Saying his baby is born and healthy and he should he back at work is entirely different to saying he shouldn't be there for the birth.
Yes, none of us know REALLY who is to blame with our transfer business, but looking at some of the agent fees, transfer fees paid and recieved and players we have failed to get I have the same feeling as you there
What is the point in buying someone if we don't think he is good enough? Just give Tuanzebe a chance and play with the ones we already have.
I would too just because he hasnt really progressed and he apparently wants to leave so why keep him.....On the other hand though, selling him all we really would have then is Rashford and Sanchez as striker options if Lukaku is unfit or going through an awful spell, which would leave us short on the left. Should sign a striker if letting him go but everything seems so late. Either we do some amazing deals at the end of this window or we havent done what we needed to do or even that close to it
If the meltdown many fear does happen then yes finger pointing and excuses will come back a lot to what is happening now, almost appears like a repeat of Conte last year at CHelsea so far
Don't think anyone had an issue with him being at the birth, even Jose. He supposedly told his teammates he was not coming back to the US, that could be a different issue. Is he trying to force a transfer through?
How has it got this hysterical?
He wanted Martial to brave it out with the squad.
Obviously Mourinho is going to allow Martial to leave. He has to.
But that doesn't mean that Jose is going to be impressed by it. Especially when Martial still needs to win his manager's trust. Yesterday's extended leave is a twist of the knife.
Mourinho can't say too much explicitly. But the latest comments are telling.
If I was in trouble at my job, I'd go above and beyond to prove myself to my boss. Even if that meant I had to give up certain things that everybody else gets as a matter of course. Working weekends, staying late, etc.
I don't think Mourinho will hold it against Martial leaving for a day or two. But it won't have helped the player's case either.
Imagine if Martial had stayed with the squad. Jose would have given him a contract extension. If I were AM, and if I were desperate to play for United, I would have. I don't think Martial is desperate, though. And neither does Mourinho. For a player on the brink, that's not a good sign.
Baby was born 3 days ago, I think. Guess Mourinho expected Martial to return for the Liverpool game.
And if I hated where I was, I wouldn't rush back to work either. He will be sold if a good offer comes in.
And if I hated where I was, I wouldn't rush back to work either. He will be sold if a good offer comes in.
Same with YOung, hated him and all his diving, but under Mourinho his attitude, professionalism all seems to have improved tremendously
He's desperate to leave it seems
Martial is a waste of space, hasn't got the right mentality to be at a top club, he's a baby himself.
Martial leaving could be a blessing.
Presume we will be getting 50m + for him at least.
Means that we really have to sign a replacement
Presume we will be getting 50m + for him at least.
Means that we really have to sign a replacement
You should have some time off from work when child is born. In England, they have that kind of thing no?
Reading these articles.....if what is being said is true, is frustrating. I can understand Mourinhos frustration as looks like he has wanted so buy in the right areas and has looked at quality players. Same token, what are we to do if rumours are true we bid £60m or whatever it was for Skiniar, maybe we were the club bidding £90m on Khoubillay, huge offers you would expect to be accepted, how much more can the club do offer wise? What has been a shambles is moving players on.....possibly as not replaced due to the bidding failures?
It's called paternity leave but football is hardly your everyday desk job.
We bought dalot but are retaining darmian over a few million which is frustrating. Board is failing
Oh the irony, 2 of the biggest moaners on this forum who literally moan about everything think that Jose is moaning too much
Yes that is true, some players like Darmian, Blind and Rojo should have been out the door regardless with the numbers we have and like you say signing Dalot. Its others like possibly Jones/Lindelof, possibly Mata, possibly even Martial that I wonder about
But would you fly 10 hours for a meaningless game over your newborn child?
I do hope Martial to come back for preseason too. Should he? Yes, must he? No. It's unreasonable thing to ask for.
This is Mourinho who moaned about missing his daughter's graduation.
It's a message board, where 80% like to moan and worry. I try and not let it bother me, but it's not easy. I'd assume most non-red cafe fans are mostly just looking forward to the season.
The point is, though, that Mourinho did miss his daughter’s graduation. Martial is within his rights to be with his child after it’s birth, but he was never going to come back because he wants out. He’s got good talent, but I severely doubt his application. Sell him for good money to a non-direct rival.
I tend to agree that he isn't coming back because he does not want to play for us any longer, rather than paternity leave issues.
I know its the world cup and not a friendly tour, but look at Delph for example. Went home, saw his daughter born and retuned a day or so later. We should have sold Martial weeks ago and bought a new striker after speaking to him and finding he wants to leave.
Well, for that. I agree. Caf'll have long debate over "whose fault was it" but right now I don't see the point keeping Martial cuz it's pretty clear Martial & his agent want to leave
I mean even Duncan Castles article is just absolutely hysterical. We came 2nd in the league haha.
And were told anyone who wants to leave can leave, before the agent even made the comments. Had there have been no talk about people being allowed to leave we may not have been told that Martial wants to leave because he had no indication that we'd let him. As it is he's been hung out to dry.
Its hard to imagine them having a good relationship again if trust is broken like that. So it probably is to everyone's benefit if we do let him move on to a non-rival and replace him with a quality player who has a fresh start to have a good relationship with the manager
Whatever the background to Martial’s displeasure, he is now not helping his cause (And I dont mean the absence for the birth of his child) with his demeanour for most of last season and now.
This will also impact on the transfer fee we could command as clearly any buying club knows he wants to leave and we are looking to sell owing to the contract situation. That said, on principle I’d loath for Utd to entertain any offers from Levy and not engage in any swap deals involving Alderweireld. There are plenty of other clubs with interest in Martial but at least I have come to the acceptance that he has no future at this club. With the close of transfer window only a matter of days away, clearly we are now not pursuing our primary targets but merely trying to fill the problem areas with who we can negotiate with and that to me is ever more unpalatable given the success we have had in the transfer market in the last few years!
This will also impact on the transfer fee we could command as clearly any buying club knows he wants to leave and we are looking to sell owing to the contract situation. That said, on principle I’d loath for Utd to entertain any offers from Levy and not engage in any swap deals involving Alderweireld. There are plenty of other clubs with interest in Martial but at least I have come to the acceptance that he has no future at this club. With the close of transfer window only a matter of days away, clearly we are now not pursuing our primary targets but merely trying to fill the problem areas with who we can negotiate with and that to me is ever more unpalatable given the success we have had in the transfer market in the last few years!
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Dalot and Valencia are both injured so it’s understandable. He still has plenty of time to move to a foreign side
Of course the winners points total would not have been beaten by any side in the world, it was a freak of a season for them, so credit deserved and yes we were the closest team to them points wise so I guess you could say what is the panic. But then look at us in the champions league, look at the entertainment levels, look at the fact we have spent £500m yet we still have many of the same squad players from the same side before £500m was spent, the £500m arguably has been spent very poorly.
If you look at last year, how many players were consistantly very good maybe DeGe and Matic, that is it, two players! How many other players would you say did a decent job or are potentially good enough for the side Young, Shaw, Bailly, Valencia, Pogba, Sanchez, Rashford, Lingard, Lukaku would be mine. Looking at it like that the start of the window we would need THREE centre backs which you cant do so keep Smalling, so TWO centre backs, a right back which we have got in Dalot, THREE central midfielders, we have got two in Fred and Pereira coming back so I would still like another central midfielder, A right winger and another striker option as Martial may not be that option.
Instead we have players we shouldnt have but Mourinho likes or that have been and are just bang average still at the moment Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Herrera, Fellaini, Mata. If that article has any truth in it I can understand Mourinhos frustration as I bet he would want to be shot of four of these players and he has identified the quality we need desperately at centre back and we have so far failed to get any of them.
Do you genuinely think we can win the league or do well in the champions league as things stand with what we have? Put it this way, who in this side would be anywhere near any of Fergies great sides. The only player I would even consider is DeGea (still chose Schmeichel), the quality as Mourinho says isnt there, it really isnt in several areas of our side
Signed one first team player.
Still need a LB and RW but seem to be pursuing CB, a position Jose has bought two players for but we still need another one.
Haven’t won a pre-season game including a 4-1 loss to Liverpool of all teams.
Martial wants to leave.
Board and Jose appear to be on a different page.
Keeps being suggested we have to sell to buy, when the club is in the top 3 of profitable football clubs in the world.
Can’t you see why some fans would be frustrated?
More like Mourinho's last season at Chelsea.
Martial had the chance to cement a place in his preferred position in Lukaku's absence, and he not only looked shocking when he did play but then goes awol.
He's clearly going to leave. He'll continue to show lashes of YouTube brilliance but I don't think he has the mentality to make it at a top club.
He's clearly going to leave. He'll continue to show lashes of YouTube brilliance but I don't think he has the mentality to make it at a top club.
Bit of a mixture of both. Conte couldnt get the players he wanted and became negative, Mourinho just lost the dressing room at Chelsea. I have sympathy for Mourinho if there is truth in the transfer railings this summer, I have little sympathy for the constant public criticism of his players.
Agreed. At this point I think we should accept it and cut our losses with him.
Try our best to make sure we sell outside of England, and bring in a replacement that will better suit Mourinho's team.
I wonder Did he mean that he gave an entire list of 5 players for the window or that he wanted 5 more in addition to the 2? Probably just his English but it sounded like "lets see if I get 1 of the 5".
Yes he missed her graduation. Martial was at the birth of his child, so do we give him the rest of his kids life off? simply don't understand the first part of your post.
Finally, yes I'd fly whatever it took to play for United or any other team that'd pay me tens of thousands a week to play for them and also for the fans who've paid top dollar to see me play.
Jose may rightly be complaining as Martial hasn't stuck to agreements, or he may well be well off the mark, we'll possibly never know.
So most of the reasons are driven by paper talk and the rest because we have only spent 70m so far in the window despite that being comparable to other clubs in the league. Oh and losing pre season games with 1/3 of a squad haha
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