Transfer Tweets - 2018/19 | Remember if posting foreign language tweets to post in English too
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I don't get why Liverpool didn't try to sign Alisson earlier. I still think they'll get him but they should have tried while Chelsea's manager situation was still uncertain and they had Courtois at the World Cup.
So the rhetoric now is Alisson isn't a good keeper? Okay, noted
No, the point is he's not good enough to warrant a world record fee for a keeper.
Thought he was at fault for around four of the umpteen goals Liverpool stuck past him last season.
I'm not sure he's going to be the level up upgrade you'd expect for 60 million plus.
I don't think he is worth 70m but you seem to be underrating his performances last season (not to mention he was highly rated before he went to Roma) as a significant goalkeeping talent.
He is similar to Ederson in that respect, his valuation is down to percieved talent (even though its probably overpriced)
Not sure what Seria A has to do with it either, he was very influential in Romas UCL run last season. Pickford is not better btw
You never fail to amaze me.
He's always guaranteed to make you laugh.
Pickford is a dog. It'd be tragic if Allison didn't turn out better.
So Allisson has turned into a world class goalkeeper now that Liverpool are trying to sign him.
If he’s not better than scrotey Pickford, he’s in serious shit.
He is not world class. Could be at some point, but you could say the same about Pickford.
Alisson is only 25, that's pretty young for a goalkeeper.
At the moment i would say he is a category behind the world class keepers (Neuer, De Gea, Courtois, Oblak), but he has all potential to get into this category too.
Ederson already did great for City and there are enough reasons why Alisson played ahead of Ederson for Brazil. He had a fantastic season and Liverpool will not have a goalkeeper problem for many years anymore.
No just a highly rated young keeper coming off a very good season
I still think Chelsea may beat them to it
Get on skybet then, very good odds.
Do you post like this on purpose?
You need to learn from the real shitposters how to troll.
Anyways I was backing Loris and I don't think there's that much difference between them, however I don't think mentally he's recovered.
You never fail to amaze me.
The Pickford comparison is much more appropriate than @B20 mentioning him being the Lukaku of goalkeepers.. if Pickford was Brazilian would everyone be laughing? I'm not so sure..
Pretty much this..
And this
If Courtois leaves, then Chelsea will def do another bid (Roma will love this)
Do you post like this on purpose?
You need to learn from the real shitposters how to troll.
Anyways I was backing Loris and I don't think there's that much difference between them, however I don't think mentally he's recovered.
It was in response to someone saying Alisson is the Lukaku of goalkeepers which apparently isn't trolling..
Pickford is a good young English goalkeeper. Alisson is a good young Brazilian goalkeeper. Neither are top bracket and neither are worth world record fees. Plenty of similarity?
You know how it goes...
The irony is that he let in so many goals including a load against pool
If Chelsea sell Courtois, I can see them getting Allison.
People here seem to rate Courtois higher than many Chelsea fans do!
If Allisson played in the PL last season he’d be considered one of the best keepers in the world. He’s better than Courtouis and I’d put him over DDG in a lot of aspects as well.
You said Pickford was better. Based on what? Allison has played at a higher level, Pickford conceded 70 goals last season. And the record fee is simply because the cost of players is so ridiculous nowadays.
Apparently we made an enquiry but were put off by Roma's initial asking price. About £70m reportedly. It was linked with the bitterness of having sold Salah to Liverpool for what looks like a complete steal. But I guess a world cup later the bad feeling has died down a little.
WC showed what he's capable of if motivated, he just needs to leave Chelsea. Only Neuer and DDG have been better and more consistent than him over the last half decade or so.
I could see Chelsea going after Butland if Courtois is off.
I rated him once. At Atletico....
You remind me of the people who wanted to sign Strootman ahead of Modric, utter dribble.
I've got nothing wrong with the way you rate it. Because you're an opposition fan that views our transfers objectively.
It's a running theme on this forum that everyone else's transfers are amazing while ours are shite. It doesn't exist on any other place of discussion surrounding United, for example on reddit where you get a more balanced view. There is also a massive level of paranoia/obsession with Liverpool on this forum. There are quite a few that are trying to will Liverpool to be as good as possible as some sort of jinx or admiration.
If Liverpool got Oblak their back line would be massively upgraded. He is a ridiculously good shot stopper and has great distribution, one of the best in the world. Allisson is a 2nd tier goalkeeper, has some promising attributes as a sweeper keeper, and the potential to be a fantastic keeper. The Ederson comparison is irrelevant because he is effectively an outfield player for City due the system he plays in, City dominate the ball far more than Liverpool and Ederson is like a deep lying playmaker for them that does a job in goal.
Right okay, Lukaku scored 30 goals for a side finishing top 4 in the league. Most people would acknowledge he's a top class striker but not quite world class yet. Similarly Allison has just played a pivotal role for a side making a CL semi final run, is first choice for Brazil and is pretty widely acknowledged by fans and journalists alike as having had a fantastic season and is a keeper capable of being world class.
Now where does the comparison not marry for you? Because from where I sit the Lukaku of goalkeepers isn't the worst comparison in the world.
As for pickford he had an exceptional tournament but I don't think he's that good. I'm happy to be proven wrong though.
You should also start taking in to account how different tactical frameworks affect the performances of keepers and what they're required to do in specific systems.
At the end of the day it's a game, fans give each other stick. The way you're going on its as if every single Liverpool related thing is a personal attack on you.
Comparing a proven PL and international forward with a GK who last year cost 8m from Brazil was always going to be ridiculous though wasn't it?
So what tactical framework system does Alisson offer and thrive in then? I'm curious..
I just find Liverpool and the majority of their fans to be very hypocritical.
Motivation has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that his skill set is more limited than the other top keepers around. His ability with the ball at his feet is nowhere near Neuer, DDG, Lloris, Ederson, Alisson, etc.
Sums up my thoughts. Very good balanced and reasonable post.
Yeah, his beard is better..
Stop saying it was last year when it was in 2016 for starters. Secondly, it was a comparison made to point out that he's very good just not world class, just like Lukaku. That's where it stops, stop trying to be pedantic for the sake of it.
Willian cost €14m, Douglas Costa €8m as well. A transfer fee doesn't reflect a player's potential or abilities.
He's the record signing because De Gea and Cortious are still at United and Chelsea, respectively. Both will easily go for above that figure if their club wants to sell them. In this market Alisson is probably worth that much.
I have a Chelsea fan as a friend who swears Courtois is shit (well massively overrated), I guess you guys watch him more than we do
As I literally just stated Allison being a keeper capable of being world class was not an absurd opinion, don't take my word for it do some research have a look around, you'll find much of the press intellgibly informed or not held the same widespread opinion.
There's a different between playing in a low block system like Athletico/United and playing a high line like City/Liverpool/Barca
I never said Allison thrived in one or the other but my opinion is he has a skillet that can translate to our side. It's a difficult position in our system because you can end up heavily exposed and facing higher value goal chances for want of a better term. If you want specifics on what he does, happy to give you my basic overview.
Finding them hypocritical is fine, I find threads like what is martial going to think about not having a world cup winners medal cringe. Doesn't mean I'm going to take that as representative of every cafe member as most of them are absolutely lovely and capable of having discussions without insulting the other person/ club constantly.
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