Of course the level matters. What you've said at the end though is different because if you were talking about Lukaku or Andre Silva I would agree with you.
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Of course the level matters. What you've said at the end though is different because if you were talking about Lukaku or Andre Silva I would agree with you.
The level doesn't change the skill set though, and that is the difference between Dolberg and Rashford in terms of fitting into how Jose's #9's play. I think Andre Silva is easily the most Jose-esque option out there.
I hope Jose is gone when Ibra puts his shoes on the nail one way or another. Nonsense to buy some mediocre target man just to suit his archaic tactics. Rather buy proper world class talent like Griezmann and fit it in.
There's nothing mediocre about Andre Silva, not every team needs to play hipster football with flase 9's, plenty of managers still like a traditional Shearer style #9 like Conte, Ancelotti and Simeone. I am sure Griezmann will be here next season under Jose but he doesn't play as a #9 for Atleti or France so I don't see how he figures into a discussion about that role.
Compared to other players on the market like Griezmann, Icardi, Aubameyang, possibly Agüero or Belotti he is. Lewandowski is far from a target man, i also don't see anyone at Atletico that fits "Mourinho's number 9". Nothing about false 9 or fancy stuff, but most successful teams lately didn't play with such a old-fashioned view of number 9. Surely Griezmann plays as number 9 in most games for Atletico. They mostly play with 2 number 9s
Andre Silva is equally as good as Belotti and Icardi is one of the most limited strikers around, he's more old fashioned than any of the theother options being discussed, I also never said get Silva instead of Griezmann, they are different positions. Torres or Gameiro play as the #9 for Atleti while Griezmann has the free role behind them, he plays off their hold up play, in particular Torres who has been by far his best partner, like with France where Griezmann was hopeless in a supposed fluid front 3 but came to life when he was moved in behind Giroud to play off the target man.
What's that I can smell? Don't think a word of truth has come out of this guys mouth. Wasn't he one of the ones who claimed we signed Lindelof about five times and Semedo and every other Benfica player?
Totally agree. He's raw, but he has the attributes of a (faster) Ibra. Not the same level of skill but he's skillful enough and young enough to learn from the real deal. Could be immense.
And how do you get to this bold conclusion? Because of a couple of goals in the ouh-so-great Portuguese league? Against greats like Arouca or Moreirense? Or his CL goals against League1 level Brügge and the B team of Leicester?
Yes, he was spotted by the same scout as well I believe. He's Danish so his temptrament to come here and be an understudy shouldn't be an issue either.
You left Icardi's name in there but if you go back you'll see I was not including Icardi in that opinion, just Belotti.
I am not seeing that, because there isn't any comma or else to show that Icardi isn't connected to your first phrase. But anyhow, if it is so, that's cleared now. Belotti showed his skills already against class opposition like Milan, Roma, Inter etc, and pretty much scored in all those important games against the big ones from Italy. He also showed over the course of 2 seasons, that he is a good footballer. Definitely more proven then Silva at this stage. That said, it's far from a given that he could cope with the PL or CL...i wouldn't particularly want him at our club anyhow, at least not for a high price. Silva even less so. I don't see the point in buying a talent, when there are already 2 great attacking talents in the team, who struggle for minutes already - fitting Jose's system or not. With Griezmann in the team, it's about time to change it anyway. Some 4-4-2 with 2 pacey strikers, like Atletico play. With Griezmann and Martial/Rashford in front. Pogba could easily play the Niguez part. All that post-Ibra of course.
The fact that we have to play Fellaini if one of Pogba, Herrera or Carrick can't play/has to be rested...has to be emergency situation...
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You're right there isn't a comma but the Icardi part of the sentence was about how limited he is beyond scoring goals. I think Silva and Belotti look around the same talent level personally, regardless of which teams they've scored against, and in Italy right now only Juve are a true test IMO. As for the rest, we wont play 4-4-2 under Jose with 2 strikers that can't hold the ball up and have no power, and we wont waste Pogba shoved out wide either, Saul has regressed this season due to being cosntantly shoved out there by Simeone, these are Central Midfielder's, not wide players. Griezmann will come and play either on the right of the front 3 or off a proper #9 IMO and we'll continue to build on what we are currently doing very well, as opposed to throwing it all out of the window and change to a totally different system for no reason.
Both are not good enough for us, IMO. I know that we won't play that way as long as Mourinho is here. One can dream. I wouldn't call Saul regressing, he was a matchwinner for them in quite some games. If you look at his heatmaps, he is far from "out there". Where a player is on a chart made up by the media is one thing, where he actually plays on the pitch is something completely different. With free flowing football, there are no definite positions, at least attacking wise. "What we are currently doing very well" - what would that be?! I'd call it very well, if we would be 1. in the league (what we really should be with our player material). I don't think you can call it very well, being 6th with out squad. "Very well" is, what Chelsea, Liverpool or Tottenham are doing with their respective squads. Or Southhampton, or Bournemouth. But definitely not us. I reckon we won't do "very well" as long as Mou is here, because his tactics are just not Manchester United like, but anyhow - it is what it is. Let's see who goes first, Ibra or Mou.
Ah, so basically you don't like Jose, got it now. Conte came into Chelsea and they started to play 3-4-3, a formation he favours, Pep came into City and immediately ditched England's #1 because his passing isn't very good, and Klopp came into Liverpool and put their recently bought £32M striker on the dump because he didn't suit him, yet you want our manager to ditch his system to accomodate a kid.
What we are doing very well is playing good, attacking football and fighting to the bitter end in every game, something that is pure United DNA, the football itself being the best we have produced in 7 seasons IMO. Mou's way is the most Manchester United we've been in a long time, throwing caution to the wind to win games, fighting spirit, attacking football.....all United dyed in the wool traits, the chances the likes of Mata, Mkhi, Pogba, Ibra and Lingard have duffed is the reason we are not in the title race, we are set up to attack and create, and we are creating, the poor finishing is down to the players.
Actually, quite the opposite. Personally i am a big fan of him (while i hate Pep and seriously dislike Klopp). I like is mentality off the pitch. I just like people in general that act like him. But i don't and didn't want him to be our manager. Due to a number of reasons, but that goes far off topic.
That's not the reason.
While his system obviously worked very well for Inter and Chelsea the first time around, not so much for us. So yes, i'd like him to ditch the system, but this is likely never gonna happen.
Good one. Just shows how short the memory of an average person is.
If you want to see attacking football, caution to the wind you have to watch Liverpool, Sevilla, Dortmund or so. Definitely not us. No idea what other games you watch, when you think we are playing "attacking football". Being not as horrible as under LvG doesn't mean it's attacking. It's still pretty slow-playing mostly, and pretty rigid as well. Jose style.
That plays indeed a huge role, yes. However, if players that are normally superb and icecold in finishing turn to chance-wasting buffons (especially Ibra, Pogba and Micky), you have to look for a common thread. The common thread i see is the club and the manager. I doubt the club can make players miss bucketload of chances. It can't be bad luck, the intersection is way to big....Micky buried every chance he got in the Bundesliga. There is no confirmation what so ever, that any footballer in the world, even Messi or Ronaldo wouldn't also waste a bucketload of chances when moving to us. Seems a mentality thing. But it goes way off topic now, i better stop. Tranfer forum after all
Yes it is, he brought in a clown of a keeper because he had impressive passing stats.
You don't hire a manager, a very successful one, and then dictate which system they use.
We haven't played any really consistently good football until this season, since we sold Ronaldo and got rid of Tevez.
I watch those teams, I don't see how Sevilla got lumped in with the other 2, but Dortmund and Liverpool play reckless football which is why they wont win anything, we have thrown caution to the wind to go for wins when needed, just because we set out like a properly balanced football team that understands defending isn't a dirty word doesn't mean we aren't playing attacking football, the 3 in behind Ibra move wherever they want as well so the rigid comment is false, just because he's not using the hipster shit with no reference point #9.
I'm pretty sure most Dortmund fans would back me up in saying that Mkhitaryan missed a lot of chances for them, he's often been erratic and patchy with his goal scoring, and Pogba was hardly a goal machine at Juve. They are missing chances and that is 100% on them, same as it's on City's players and not Pep, these overpaid players need to be held accountable for their lack of concentration and clinicalness.
The fact that he's just been given a new contract and is used frequently suggests you're wrong there.
New contract? When?
You mean activated clause in his existing contract, that's very different!
When is our bid for Gaitan coming?
The one year extension suggests to me that we will cash in this summer.
He talked up Memphis big time too. I think it is so they look attractive to potential buyers and we don't look like we are desperate to sell.
I think if we wanted to definitely keep Fellani he would have been given a four year deal.
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Just want Dortmund need, another young forward.
Sarcasm? Signing young high potential players is pretty much never a bad idea. I wish we had been more active in that market in recent years actually.
Except when you have too many of them
Glad to see Isak going to Dortmund. Hoping Aubameyang goes in the summer wherever it maybe. Want to see Isak on a weekly basis, if he is really as good as people say 
alongside Pulisic and Dembele. If one of them gets good enough, we'll be there
alongside Pulisic and Dembele. If one of them gets good enough, we'll be there Well it's not that different is it? Technically it now reads a completely different date for his contract end so it's almost like new right?
The point still stands though. Whatever fans think of Fellaini, clearly managers see it differently and he's a valued member of the squad who isn't going anywhere any time soon.
Looks like Dortmund have accepted their role as feeder club to the elite.
Yeah, who has ever heard of a club which sells an older back-up striker and fills the vacancy with a young talented forward? I mean, who needs two strikers in one squad?
At some point too many young prospects in the same position might start blocking each others progress, sure. Not sure that's where Dortmund is at though. Who are these other super talented young strikers they have now?
I didn't say anything about your club.
My club is United actually, not Dortmund, but fair enough.
Havent seen anyone else post this yet but Christian Pulisic renewed his contract with Dortmund. Was linked with Liverpool for a while.
Yeah him and Brandt have been linked but Pulisic isn't happening now so I guess we'll go all in for Brandt in the summer.
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