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Jacko21 said:
I know right, £40m for a player who has started 33 out of 35 league games this season! Squad player. :rolleyes:
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Don't be obtuse. He's neither one of Spurs's top 2 CBs, nor CMs. He gets a lot of games due to his versatility and the system they play. If we persist with a 4-2-3-1 at Utd, he wont make the starting 11. If we play a 4-3-3, we're better off keeping Herrera as the DM and getting a partner for Pogba or even getting Fabinho for the DM slot. He's bot value for money for 40mil and there's no way a PL club gets value for money buying from a rival due to the ridiculous amount of money in the league. Either overpay for top draw talent or look abroad, paying over the top for the Diers of this world isn't a good idea.
 
Lash said:
You're kidding right? Once again, the only reason is because England have 0 defensive midfielders. Fecking Jake Livermore got a call up the other day.

I took you up on your offer above and it doesn't really look good at all. Not to mention the pass length will be because he has been playing CB.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...ceptions/defensive_errors/total_duels_%#total
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And that debunks that fact that Eric Dier plays the role well for England does it?

That stats you've selected don't do anything to suggest Dier is fundamentally poorer than Carrick.

Like I say, they compare favourably. I'm not arguing that Dier is another level, but rather there isn't much between the pair. But one of them is 23 and has the best years ahead of him and responds well to coaching - he can be moulded.

It's not hard to see why Mourinho would want him.

Carrick was derided in his first couple of seasons at United.
 
Varun said:
Don't be obtuse. He's neither one of Spurs's top 2 CBs, nor CMs. He gets a lot of games due to his versatility and the system they play. If we persist with a 4-2-3-1 at Utd, he wont make the starting 11. If we play a 4-3-3, we're better off keeping Herrera as the DM and getting a partner for Pogba or even getting Fabinho for the DM slot. He's bot value for money for 40mil and there's no way a PL club gets value for money buying from a rival due to the ridiculous amount of money in the league. Either overpay for top draw talent or look abroad, paying over the top for the Diers of this world isn't a good idea.
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He's not a squad player though is he? He has started in nearly every Premier League game and is part of the best defence in the league.

I'd suggest he has been pretty important. (Wimmer, an actual CB, has spent the season on the bench.)

We'll be playing 4-3-3 next season. We need a central defensive midfielder. It's not difficult to see why Mourinho would want him.

And I don't disagree with Fabinho a good option. It's just odd how Dier is perceived here - given that there is little evidence to support the opinion that some have of him.
 
royboy16 said:
Daniel levy might up that another bit :D
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Ofcourse. Sell him for 40mil and then buy another 4 Diers with that money to see them all again couple of years down the line for obscene sums.
Jacko21 said:
He's not a squad player though is he? He has started in nearly every Premier League game and is part of the best defence in the league.

I'd suggest he has been pretty important. (Wimmer, an actual CB, has spent the season on the bench.)

We'll be playing 4-3-3 next season. We need a central defensive midfielder. It's not difficult to see why Mourinho would want him.

And I don't disagree with Fabinho a good option. It's just odd how Dier is perceived here - given that there is little evidence to support the opinion that some have of him.
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Squad player in terms of quality in nailing down a spot. O'Shea was always a squad player for us even if he had 30+ appearances as the RB,CB,LB and CM combined. Its not difficult to see why Mourinho would want him at all, who claimed otherwise? My disagreement is about the sum branded about, he's not worth 40mil.
 
Jacko21 said:
He's not a squad player though is he? He has started in nearly every Premier League game and is part of the best defence in the league.

I'd suggest he has been pretty important. (Wimmer, an actual CB, has spent the season on the bench.)

We'll be playing 4-3-3 next season. We need a central defensive midfielder. It's not difficult to see why Mourinho would want him.

And I don't disagree with Fabinho a good option. It's just odd how Dier is perceived here - given that there is little evidence to support the opinion that some have of him.
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I dont think he's a bad player, but simply dont think he's worth the hassle of dealing with Spurs. Even Sir Alex basically admitted that.
 
He isn't classed as a 'home-grown' player is he?
 
Dier's just using us to negotiate a better contract at Spurs imo. Also Levy won't sell any player to another PL side unless for ridiculous money.
 
I can see the appeal of bringing him here. Young, talented, PL proven and English. He's a decent player but feck me, even £30m is too much for him. Add to that, we'd be bankrolling that Levy cnut who would rinse us and spend that extra £40m on players to pull even further away from us. No thanks.

We'd be much better off looking at similar players around the continent who would be half the price. Fabinho, while more expensive than said players, is a good shout and is a much better all round player than Dier.
 
Varun said:
My disagreement is about the sum branded about, he's not worth 40mil
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The fee is speculative. If people argued over a fee relative to a player's ability, there would be no end to the discussions.

But undoubtedly, Levy would play hardball and in that instance going for someone like Fabinho would be obvious.

I just think it's odd how Dier is perceived. Particularly given the parallels with Carrick during his early time at United.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Buy Romeu for half the price and get an equally good, if not better, player.
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Agreed. Fabinho wouldnt even cost 40m. There are surely players a level below Dier we could get for 10m and who could make the step up, instead of going for him (like Tottenham will do if they sell Dier)
 
unitedbhoy said:
Buy Romeu for half the price and get an equally good, if not better, player.
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I'm not so sure Romeu will cost half that price. He's been arguably Southampton's best player this season, so I can't see him costing much less than what it'll take to get Dier.
 
Dax said:
Nope. He's not.
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Are you sure?

I know he spent 18 month with Everton, on loan from Sporting. Then joined Spurs before turning 21. He might fall short by a few months. It's 3 years in total, I think.
 
I like Dier.

What i don't understand is how some posters are qualified for calculating a players worth. "Hes never worth 40m, he's more a 30m kind of player". Given todays market (Lukaku rumoured at 100m ffs), and the inflation coming along with the TV deal, I just don't understand how some of you have a degree in sports business and player values all of a sudden. The market is crazy, especially for United.
 
JarleA said:
I like Dier.

What i don't understand is how some posters are qualified for calculating a players worth. "Hes never worth 40m, he's more a 30m kind of player". Given todays market (Lukaku rumoured at 100m ffs), and the inflation coming along with the TV deal, I just don't understand how some of you have a degree in sports business and player values all of a sudden. The market is crazy, especially for United.
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Yeah the £38 million outlay for Martial doesn't seem all that much 2 seasons on. Fans get to caught up in player values and net spend. Once the club is financially sound (which they clearly are) then i only care that we bring in the right players to make us compete.
 
OohAahMartial said:
Dier's just using us to negotiate a better contract at Spurs imo. Also Levy won't sell any player to another PL side unless for ridiculous money.
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Is this a default response to transfer rumours these days?

Dier signed a new contract in September
 
Jacko21 said:
And that debunks that fact that Eric Dier plays the role well for England does it?

That stats you've selected don't do anything to suggest Dier is fundamentally poorer than Carrick.

Like I say, they compare favourably. I'm not arguing that Dier is another level, but rather there isn't much between the pair. But one of them is 23 and has the best years ahead of him and responds well to coaching - he can be moulded.

It's not hard to see why Mourinho would want him.

Carrick was derided in his first couple of seasons at United.
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Well my main point was England have hardly played well, so not sure how you would use that as a credible argument to show how good he is in the role.

I'll give you they're not bad comparatively, but someone who's played 13 games less and vastly older, comes out on top - mostly. Filling a role and actually making the role your own is quite different, which he hasn't done. He'll end up like milner if he doesn't nail a role down

I find extremely hard to see why Mourinho when you look at the players he's had in that role in other teams. Essien, Cambiasso, Diarra to name three. Dier has shown nothing to suggest he'd reach their levels.

Anyway, I see where you're coming from, but I don't see the potential you're seeing and especially paying £40m for it?
 
Lash said:
Well my main point was England have hardly played well, so not sure how you would use that as a credible argument to show how good he is in the role.

I'll give you they're not bad comparatively, but someone who's played 13 games less and vastly older, comes out on top - mostly. Filling a role and actually making the role your own is quite different, which he hasn't done. He'll end up like milner if he doesn't nail a role down

I find extremely hard to see why Mourinho when you look at the players he's had in that role in other teams. Essien, Cambiasso, Diarra to name three. Dier has shown nothing to suggest he'd reach their levels.

Anyway, I see where you're coming from, but I don't see the potential you're seeing and especially paying £40m for it?
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Whenever he's played for England, he personally has done well - that much isn't in doubt.

£40m is a lot and it'll be a tricky deal to do, but signing someone like Fabinho would be equally as tricky.

I just think Dier is a good option - namely because I could really see him kicking on under Mourinho.

We shall see.
 
GBBQ said:
Yeah the £38 million outlay for Martial doesn't seem all that much 2 seasons on. Fans get to caught up in player values and net spend. Once the club is financially sound (which they clearly are) then i only care that we bring in the right players to make us compete.
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Why shouldn't we though? Why should we buy a midiocre player for £40m (not saying Dier is midiocre) when we can buy a better player for less? If we keep overpaying for players and constantly come short of our targets, guess what, we could end up being a midtable club before you know it.
 
Z_Wolf said:
Why shouldn't we though? Why should we buy a midiocre player for £40m (not saying Dier is midiocre) when we can buy a better player for less? If we keep overpaying for players and constantly come short of our targets, guess what, we could end up being a midtable club before you know it.
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I don't think we should buy mediocre players, full stop. We should buy the players that fit the formation and will improve the team. I don't know if its Dier or not but I'd trust Jose based on his track record in the transfer market.
 
Dier is a pretty decent replacement for Carrick and for 40M, that could be a really good deal. With Fabinho, he could either be a hit or miss and not to mention, he could leave if he doesn't adjust to life in England. With Dier, he will remain at United as long as he's playing. However, dealing with Levy is gonna be a huge challenge.
 
I'd be happy with any one of Dier, Romeu, Fabinho. Fabinho hasn't played PL footy so that could factor in who's a better fit, Romeu has a bit of an injury record, whereas Dier is the youngest of the three and he's English (I think it's important to have domestic players). Not a United accountant, but I'd imagine they all cost similar amounts and we can afford all three so whoever we get I'll be happy.
 
Good thing about Dier is that he can also play as CB if required. He is not as good as Carrick in terms of passing (very few are) but he does have more goal threat and aggression.
 
Devil may care said:
If he sticks with the 4-2-3-1 I can see some problems in truth, we will need the right #9 for him as well, so getting Morata in the De Gea deal would make sense IMO.
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I think we've been fine for the most part with Pogba and Herrera as a midfield duo. Against the better teams Mourinho would probably choose 3 midfielders anyway.

Nostradamus said:
You just need two functioning brain cells to know that Weigl is going to move nowhere and he has confirmed that he is going nowhere in the near future, but how could you know, as you have obviously no clue what you are talking about. Zero chance. Same for Keita..RB has ruled out any possibility of him leaving.
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:lol: That didn't take long.
 
I like how people go desperate to portray Dier as somebody who could become next Carrick solely on also being a Spurs' player and possibly English.

Hope we steer clear of this average shite.
 
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