It's the same problems though. Most people only need one centre forward because just about everyone plays either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. So he's usually competing with the 16 best strikers of the last 20 years or so.
Transfer Muppet Fantasy
- Thread starter Polaroid
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@Annahnomoss If you have not done your team, can you have GK on top?
Adriano: (apps / goals) (from wiki)
Club:
2002-03: 31 / 17
2003-04: 31 / 21
2004-05: 42 / 28
2005-06: 47 / 18
Overall: 151 / 84
National:
2002-03: 5 / 3
2003-04: 7 / 7
2004-05: 12 / 7
2005-06: 11 / 8
Overall: 35 / 25
Compared to Edison Cavani: Who has 33, 33 & 38 goals in 3 seasons (2010-11, 2011-12 & 2012-13). More club goals in 3 seasons to Adriano's 5.
his national career was much better than his club one. Also agree that he had loads more talent and was much more dangerous on form, but on his peak, I don't see much of a difference!
@Balu
@Pippa
Can you please elaborate further?
Club:
2002-03: 31 / 17
2003-04: 31 / 21
2004-05: 42 / 28
2005-06: 47 / 18
Overall: 151 / 84
National:
2002-03: 5 / 3
2003-04: 7 / 7
2004-05: 12 / 7
2005-06: 11 / 8
Overall: 35 / 25
Compared to Edison Cavani: Who has 33, 33 & 38 goals in 3 seasons (2010-11, 2011-12 & 2012-13). More club goals in 3 seasons to Adriano's 5.
his national career was much better than his club one. Also agree that he had loads more talent and was much more dangerous on form, but on his peak, I don't see much of a difference!
@Balu
@Pippa
Can you please elaborate further?
Sure thing mate.
What do people think?
Brilliant midfield, although I would've played Deco a bit higher up because psychologically it make Ruud looks isolated(I know it doesn't mean Deco is so deep but it just works like that for scan voters). The one problem is your slow defensive duo.
What do people think?
You should probably get a keeper
Do we have to use This11 still?
I'm really looking forward to see if anyone agrees with MJJ here..? Maybe I've gone crazy biased or its out of the blue like I think it is..
What do people think?
Great team, i don't think there is many trios better than the trio of Deco Keane and Toure
If i have one complaint it would be of Ljungberg playing on the left, from my recollection of him, he played most of his games for Arsenal on the right, sometimes through the middle?
But i could be wrong.
No you can use whatever you want, I think most people prefer FootballUser
I don't think there should be any problem with him on the left, the fact that he usually played RW doesn't mean he isn't fit to play LW..
Brilliant midfield, although I would've played Deco a bit higher up because psychologically it make Ruud looks isolated(I know it doesn't mean Deco is so deep but it just works like that for scan voters). The one problem is your slow defensive duo.
You should probably get a keeper
Against Henry, Eto'o and Hazard.
Midfield
Very likable defense
Very likable defense
Same old story of picking Terry for defense.Against Henry, Eto'o and Hazard.
Been there. Got torn for it.
I tried to use footballuser but I hated it, so I went back to this11. The changes suck but it's still significantly better, imo
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What do people think?
Good midfield but my concern would be a lack of pace throughout. Along with the fact you have John Terry in your side. Proven kryptonite for his manager in any draft so far.
I agree with you apart from the 'Rui Costa being miles better than Rooney' bit.
Against Henry, Eto'o and Hazard.
Don't worry lads, I've instructed Roy to break Henry's knees
Simply put, you can't compare players across those type of eras. Football, specially calcio, has changed. It's moe friendly to top CFs than it used to be in the past IMO, i.e. Cavani scoring significantly more goals than Trezegol, Sheva, Crespo.
Di Natale for example made 127 goals from 2009-10 to 2012-13 (4 seasons). Sheva for example made 134 goals from 1999-00 to 2004-05 (6 seasons). And that includes finishing 3rd in the 1999 Ballon d'Or, 3rd in the 2000 Ballon d'Or, and winning the 2004 Ballon d'Or. Di Natale plays for Udinese, Sheva played for Milan. Huge difference in quality.
The difference between Sheva and Adriano is rather large but how small is the difference between Cavani and Di Natale? I can't say I follow Udinese but the man has had ludicrous numbers since turning 30.
Hypothetically speaking, if I were to base my Adriano argument on stats alone, he would probably be second to Henry in his prime (2002-2005). Just doing a quick comparison, Adriano made 109 goals in 118 club appearances from 2002-2005. Sheva, widely considered the best CF in the world during that time made 98 goals in 149 club appearances. And that's with Adriano playing for Fiorentina, Parma, Inter, and Sheva playing for Milan.
Trezegol made 117 goals in 174 club appearances (not including Coppa Italia because I couldn't find full numbers) from 2001-02 to 2005-06, with Rube, the most dominant (and disgusting) club in Italy.
The way I see it, Cavani is a more clinical finisher than Adriano (i.e. 1 on 1 scenarios). A harder worker too. But it ends there. Speed, dribbling, strength, overall technique, creation, shooting, that's all in Adriano's favour. Adriano's just a stronger Lukaku with much better technique and shooting. Drogba used to be called "unplayable" because of how he combined skill with his physique, but imagine adding a fantastic dribbler as well?
It's not like Adriano was a one-season wonder or anything along those lines. Scored 16 in 2002 (Fiorentina/Parma), 17 in 2003 (Parma), 38 in 2004 (Inter), and 27 in 2005 (Inter). This is a guy who used to get robbed of calls because he used to be "too strong to be able to fall to the ground" (when he was robbed of an earned penalty against Rube in 2002, Rube won 2:1
), someone who could have a quiet match but pull off something absolutely insane.I saw one of Adriano's goals that showed how difficult it was to take off the ball, but I can't find it at the moment. I will do my best, it is one of the best examples of sheer strength on a pitch that I've ever seen
(sorry for the long post by the way lol)
I think the term "striker" is used to describe far too many completely different roles.
A player will be best played in the formations and tactics they spent their career and peak playing. If someone played Messi outside of a Tiki-Taka'ish environment then I will rate him more by his performances for Argentina where he suddenly just has two years as a top performer in terms of goal-scoring especially.
If someone on the other hand plays Ronaldo(BRA) in a tiki-taka then he should get a lot less credit for that as his defensive work-rate and understanding of his tactical role in a tiki-taka is non-existent. It is almost the same as playing him in the midfield.
So for me Adriano is part of a very shallow group of strikers who played as one man armies. If someone wants that role in a team then Adriano is a great pick.
A player will be best played in the formations and tactics they spent their career and peak playing. If someone played Messi outside of a Tiki-Taka'ish environment then I will rate him more by his performances for Argentina where he suddenly just has two years as a top performer in terms of goal-scoring especially.
If someone on the other hand plays Ronaldo(BRA) in a tiki-taka then he should get a lot less credit for that as his defensive work-rate and understanding of his tactical role in a tiki-taka is non-existent. It is almost the same as playing him in the midfield.
So for me Adriano is part of a very shallow group of strikers who played as one man armies. If someone wants that role in a team then Adriano is a great pick.
As an AM, with Rooney calling it a 4-2-3-1 is funny because he's actually a SS so it's somewhat 4-4-1-1
If I had a choice between the two to build a strong midfield I'd pick Verón, indeed. In fact, if I picked Verón I would put B2Bs either side of him like Balu has done and that would be a stronger midfield than any equivalent pair + Riquelme.
In this diamond Cutch has gone for Riquelme works better though.
PS: When did this happen? I picked Vieri from the off in the 70s draft. CL draft maybe?
Looks decent although I think Verón was better further up the pitch. Here's mine:
Confirms what I thought: you didn't really need Albertini
No, it would bomb if how these guys are rated is anything to go by. Could mix them with some sort of overall Dutch theme though.
Kluivert really is underrated, last time I saw him I think Snow had him. He just sat there upfront, and for some reason it seemed to be no one thought he could score in a million years. Must be his days at Newcastle.
Unfortunately there are no Youtube videos...apparently nobody wanted to show the highlights Lazio 2:3 Parma in 2003.
http://www.repubblica.it/2003/i/sezioni/sport/calcio/serie_a/giornata3/lazioparma/lazioparma.html
Just translated the relevant part into English...
http://www.repubblica.it/2003/i/sezioni/sport/calcio/serie_a/giornata3/lazioparma/lazioparma.html
Just translated the relevant part into English...
Didn't he score the only goal in the CL final against a Milan defense with Maldini, Baresi, Desailly ? Can't be that bad.
Any time Pippa... (2.15)Unfortunately there are no Youtube videos...apparently nobody wanted to show the highlights Lazio 2:3 Parma in 2003.
http://www.repubblica.it/2003/i/sezioni/sport/calcio/serie_a/giornata3/lazioparma/lazioparma.html
Just translated the relevant part into English...
Which time does the match start today? I'd love for it to be pushed to 14-15 rather than 12. Isn't a necessity though!
Pol said 0900 as far as I remember.
Alright cheers! Won't be able to participate too much then when at work so good luck Edgar. I've sent my tactics to Polaroid already.
Aha, weakness to be mercilessly exploited
Just kidding, due to time zones , I'll be offline after 15:00 your time. Back after 9 hours as night time here.
I've sent my tactics too!
I remember when Manucho signed for us, I had a conversation with an Angolan bloke I just happened to meet. In his words, Manucho was "just like Adriano".Unfortunately there are no Youtube videos...apparently nobody wanted to show the highlights Lazio 2:3 Parma in 2003.
http://www.repubblica.it/2003/i/sezioni/sport/calcio/serie_a/giornata3/lazioparma/lazioparma.html
Just translated the relevant part into English...
Sigh.
Kick off delayed?
Not sure.
Still got 7 mins to go before kick-off, right?
Aldo said 9 am.
Forgot DST, still using old time!
Can someone confirm when all the games are? I dont know when mine is!
Friday.
When are today's matches starting is the real mistery