Transfer Muppet Fantasy

antohan said:
The Materazzis are the sort people will be hoping to pick for 10-15M. Rugged cnuts no one likes, zero romance, but effective. Actually, I thought Terry would have ended up in that group, but it seems some are persistent :lol: It won't work and I don't really see why you would give yourself the grief of sticking up for John Terry.
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The most important lesson I've learnt in these drafts. Pick the underrated players you really want to argue 10 pages in a repetitive argument where page 10 will have the same Q&A as page 1.

If you don't want to do that, you just have to suck it up and pick another player.
 
Pippa said:
Nothing, Materazzi was my next choice after Samuel. :lol:
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Being Uruguayan, I don't half-mind seeing a bit of this ;)
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Total players (FW, DF, GK) : 60
Forwards

Crespo - 10m - Cutch - 12.00
Raul - 30m - Fergus - 14:47
C.Ronaldo 102m - MJJ - 18:18
Shearer 25m - MJJ - 17:47
D. Silva - 10m - Annah - 18:27
R.V. Nistelrooy - 25m - Rpitroda - 18:32
Del Piero - 25m - fergus'son - 20.40
T.Henry - 45m - Aldo - 23.36
Suarez - 20M - Nopace - 03:02
Shevchenko - 14M - Pol - 05.30

MIDFIELDERS

Keane - 65m - Balu - 7:41
P. Guardiola - 39m - Cutch - 10.24
G. Mendieta - 34m - Cutch - 10.24
Angel Di Maria - 15M - Fergus - 10:38
Scholl - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Baraja - 14m - Pippa - 12.00
Edgar Davids - 45m - kps88 - 14.41
S Gerrard - 42m - kps88 - 14.41
Ribery - 40m - Crappy - 18:02
Makélélé - 28m - Aldo - 18:50
Rui Costa - 32M - VivaJ - 19:27
X.Alonso - 28m - NoPace - 20.40
Emerson - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Schweinsteiger - 23M - Fergus - 20:57
Ljungberg - 20m - paceme - 21:24
Yaya Toure 25m - rpitroda - 22.11
Martinez - 15M - MJJ - 22:57
Modric - 14M - MJJ - 22:57
P.Vieira - 35m - Aldo - 23.36
Essien -24m-Nopace-03:02
Simeone - 14m - Edgar - 03:43
Lampard - 18m - Pippa - 04:44


Defenders

Sagnol - 28m- Balu - 7:39
J. Stam - 40M - VivaJ - 08:19
C.Gamarra-20m-paceme - 08:20
Dani Alves - 32m - Crappy 08.33
Vincent Kompany - 20M - Fergus - 10:37
Ivanovic -10m - paceme - 12.00
Andersson - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Sagna 10m-MJJ-12.00
Chiellini - 20m - Cutch - 13.47
Cannavaro - 41m - Balu - 17.21
R. Ayala - 29m - Pippa - 17.28
Sorin-12m-Crappy-18.02
Alaba - 20m - VivaJ - 18:20
Alba - 13M - Fergus - 18:51
P.Evra -28m- NoPace - 20:40
Salgado - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Hyppia - 12M - VivaJ - 00:21
Sol Cambell - 25M - No Pace - 03:01
Sergio Ramos - 16m - Edgar - 03:43
W.samuel-14-paceme-5:40
Puyol - 21m - Crappy- 06:13


Goalkeepers

Peruzzi - 10m - crappy - 12:00
DDG -10m- MJJ - 1745
Dida - 10m - annah -18:33
Toldo - 12M - Fergus - 18:51

@Edgar Allan Pillow - Puyol
 
BTW... pippa... finally gets his lover

SOLD!!!

T. Silva - 49m - Pippa - 05.57
A. Cole - 34m - Pippa - 05:57
 
Total players (FW, DF, GK) : 60
Forwards

Crespo - 10m - Cutch - 12.00
Raul - 30m - Fergus - 14:47
C.Ronaldo 102m - MJJ - 18:18
Shearer 25m - MJJ - 17:47
D. Silva - 10m - Annah - 18:27
R.V. Nistelrooy - 25m - Rpitroda - 18:32
Del Piero - 25m - fergus'son - 20.40
T.Henry - 45m - Aldo - 23.36
Suarez - 20M - Nopace - 03:02
Shevchenko - 14M - Pol - 05.30

MIDFIELDERS

Keane - 65m - Balu - 7:41
P. Guardiola - 39m - Cutch - 10.24
G. Mendieta - 34m - Cutch - 10.24
Angel Di Maria - 15M - Fergus - 10:38
Scholl - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Baraja - 14m - Pippa - 12.00
Edgar Davids - 45m - kps88 - 14.41
S Gerrard - 42m - kps88 - 14.41
Ribery - 40m - Crappy - 18:02
Makélélé - 28m - Aldo - 18:50
Rui Costa - 32M - VivaJ - 19:27
X.Alonso - 28m - NoPace - 20.40
Emerson - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Schweinsteiger - 23M - Fergus - 20:57
Ljungberg - 20m - paceme - 21:24
Yaya Toure 25m - rpitroda - 22.11
Martinez - 15M - MJJ - 22:57
P.Vieira - 35m - Aldo - 23.36
Essien -24m-Nopace-03:02
Simeone - 14m - Edgar - 03:43
Lampard - 18m - Pippa - 04:44
Modric-16m-paceme-6:32


Defenders

Sagnol - 28m- Balu - 7:39
J. Stam - 40M - VivaJ - 08:19
C.Gamarra-20m-paceme - 08:20
Dani Alves - 32m - Crappy 08.33
Vincent Kompany - 20M - Fergus - 10:37
Ivanovic -10m - paceme - 12.00
Andersson - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Sagna 10m-MJJ-12.00
Chiellini - 20m - Cutch - 13.47
Cannavaro - 41m - Balu - 17.21
R. Ayala - 29m - Pippa - 17.28
Sorin-12m-Crappy-18.02
Alaba - 20m - VivaJ - 18:20
Alba - 13M - Fergus - 18:51
P.Evra -28m- NoPace - 20:40
Salgado - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Hyppia - 12M - VivaJ - 00:21
Sol Cambell - 25M - No Pace - 03:01
Sergio Ramos - 16m - Edgar - 03:43
W.samuel-14-paceme-5:40
Puyol - 21m - Crappy- 06:13


Goalkeepers

Peruzzi - 10m - crappy - 12:00
DDG -10m- MJJ - 1745
Dida - 10m - annah -18:33
Toldo - 12M - Fergus - 18:51

@MJJ - Modric.
 
Total players (FW, DF, GK) : 60
Forwards

Crespo - 10m - Cutch - 12.00
Raul - 30m - Fergus - 14:47
C.Ronaldo 102m - MJJ - 18:18
Shearer 25m - MJJ - 17:47
D. Silva - 10m - Annah - 18:27
R.V. Nistelrooy - 25m - Rpitroda - 18:32
Del Piero - 25m - fergus'son - 20.40
T.Henry - 45m - Aldo - 23.36
Suarez - 20M - Nopace - 03:02
Shevchenko - 14M - Pol - 05.30

MIDFIELDERS

Keane - 65m - Balu - 7:41
P. Guardiola - 39m - Cutch - 10.24
G. Mendieta - 34m - Cutch - 10.24
Angel Di Maria - 15M - Fergus - 10:38
Scholl - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Baraja - 14m - Pippa - 12.00
Edgar Davids - 45m - kps88 - 14.41
S Gerrard - 42m - kps88 - 14.41
Ribery - 40m - Crappy - 18:02
Makélélé - 28m - Aldo - 18:50
Rui Costa - 32M - VivaJ - 19:27
X.Alonso - 28m - NoPace - 20.40
Emerson - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Schweinsteiger - 23M - Fergus - 20:57
Ljungberg - 20m - paceme - 21:24
Yaya Toure 25m - rpitroda - 22.11
Martinez - 15M - MJJ - 22:57
Essien -24m-Nopace-03:02
Simeone - 14m - Edgar - 03:43
Lampard - 18m - Pippa - 04:44
Modric-16m-paceme-6:32
P.Vieira - 45m - Rpitroda - 06:54

Defenders

Sagnol - 28m- Balu - 7:39
J. Stam - 40M - VivaJ - 08:19
C.Gamarra-20m-paceme - 08:20
Dani Alves - 32m - Crappy 08.33
Vincent Kompany - 20M - Fergus - 10:37
Ivanovic -10m - paceme - 12.00
Andersson - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Sagna 10m-MJJ-12.00
Chiellini - 20m - Cutch - 13.47
Cannavaro - 41m - Balu - 17.21
R. Ayala - 29m - Pippa - 17.28
Sorin-12m-Crappy-18.02
Alaba - 20m - VivaJ - 18:20
Alba - 13M - Fergus - 18:51
P.Evra -28m- NoPace - 20:40
Salgado - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Hyppia - 12M - VivaJ - 00:21
Sol Cambell - 25M - No Pace - 03:01
Sergio Ramos - 16m - Edgar - 03:43
W.samuel-14-paceme-5:40
Puyol - 21m - Crappy- 06:13
Hyppia - 14m - Rpitroda - 06:54

Goalkeepers

Peruzzi - 10m - crappy - 12:00
DDG -10m- MJJ - 1745
Dida - 10m - annah -18:33
Toldo - 12M - Fergus - 18:51

@AldoPaine18 Vieira
@VivaJanuzaj Hyppia
 
Malva said:
i can't believe zlatan went for 15m. unbelievable.
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Indeed. Completely crazy. "Almost" a goal a game ratio three seasons is especially impressive considering goal-scoring is still not his main forte. He is a playmaker first and foremost and has been averaging over a point a game for three years running.

Last two seasons he has also stepped that up in the International games for Sweden with 20 goals in 19 matches. Messi who has also started performing in the NT has 18 goals in 16 matches but for a completely dominant side whereas Zlatan's Sweden is around Championship quality. Zlatan has really been at that Maradona-junior level in terms of carrying a NT team.

If it wasn't for Ronaldo and Messi making everybody look stupid the last decade then the strikers of this era would be rated further up.

Compare Zlatan against any of the non-Messi/Ronaldo/Cristiano's and he fairs well in every comparison to the players here who went for more.

Zlatan is stronger than Drogba, a better playmaker, better goalscorer, better technique, faster, better shooter, better finisher, more likely to score crazy undefendable goals by a heel-flick from nowhere or whatever.

Zlatans main negative is of course his work-late during his peak which is now. He is too heavy at 100 kg(Drogba weighted more than 10 kg less).

So if you pick Zlatan and play him during his peak you won't get the hard-working Zlatan from the tiki-taka times but a rather lazy one.
 
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The above of course applies on all the modern strikers like Cavani/Falcao/Suarez as well. I think we'd all have appreciated them so much more like we did with the more classic strikers.

One could make a post like above about the first two as well.
 
Maradona-Junior :lol:

May be he should perform first with his strong club side in CL. Let's see if he can get past Chelsea.
 
The number of forwards with ridiculous stats at the moment tells you more about tactics today and how shit defending has become than about their individual quality. That doesn't make them bad or anything, it just shows that comparing stats from different eras makes no sense.
 
crappycraperson said:
Maradona-Junior :lol:

May be he should perform first with his strong club side in CL. Let's see if he can get past Chelsea.
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Wasn't a comparison to Maradona in skill-level. First I wrote Maradona-esque but that sounded even worse, so I went for the junior tag to really highlight that it isn't skill-level we are talking about here.

But Zlatan is the only player in the Swedish team who is top 100(maybe top 200) in their position/role.
 
I think I'm open to listen to offers for Keane or Veron, in case someone is interested (and no one outbids me on Keane in the next 20minutes of course).
 
You definitely can, some players tend to be more highly rated than they should. My choice of a CF had to be 10m, and he had to be a real big target man, so that's why I took Adriano. Who's the better shooter? I'm not really sure, I've seen Adriano score some outrageous goals in his lifetime. Crazy skillful goals and just bullets. Not to mention he was actually a strong header of the ball.

He once scored with a 40-yard chip, I think. I have to find the match he did it in. He was some player in his prime, and he did it whilst partying every other week.
 
Balu said:
I think I'm open to listen to offers for Keane or Veron, in case someone is interested (and no one outbids me on Keane in the next 20minutes of course).
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20m for Keane, 20m for Verón. :)
 
Balu said:
The number of forwards with ridiculous stats at the moment tells you more about tactics today and how shit defending has become than about their individual quality. That doesn't make them bad or anything, it just shows that comparing stats from different eras makes no sense.
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I think statistics are always better brought up than rejected. What they mean is up to everybody to make their mind up about.

Remove Messi and Ronaldo and the stats suddenly don't look very crazy these days. Slightly higher but nothing to the extreme at all.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I think statistics are always better brought up than rejected. What they mean is up to everybody to make their mind up about.

Remove Messi and Ronaldo and the stats suddenly don't look very crazy these days. Slightly higher but nothing to the extreme at all.
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No. Ronaldo and Messi's stats put a context on other people's stats. There is something truly extraordinary about the numbers those two pull up, but they are inflated to an extend due to the defending in this era. Even if you account for that inflation, the stats are crazy. As far as the rest are concerned, I would say Ruud's and Henry's 40+ goal seasons were much more impressive than Zlatan's or Cavani's or Falcao's.
 
Updating mine.

Sold Players

rpitroda - D. Beckham 40M, Terry 34m, Neville 32m, Abidal 25m = 169m
Annahmoss - Xavi 66M, Busquests 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) = 79M
VivaJanuzaj - Van der Sar 15M, Piszczek 10M, Seedorf 35M, Enrique 38M, Giggs 65M = 137M
Pippa - Robert Pires 32M + Figo 71M + Adriano 10M = 187M
Gandalf -Casillas 19m, Vidic 43m, Adriano 19m, Cambiasso 29M, Ballack 39M, Zidane 71m, Cavani 10m, Zlatan 15m, (Neymar-10->12m) = 57M left.
Fergus - Ronaldo 95m, Zanetti 50M = 145M
Cutch - Buffon 15m, Thuram 50m, Nesta 60m, Joaquin 10m Ivan De La Pena 10m, Kily Gonzalez 10m, Juan Roman Riquelme 27m = 182m (118m left)
kps 88 - Cech 10M Carlos 42m R. Carvalho 34M= 214M
paceme - Iniesta (70=>89M), Robben 30M = 289M
MJJ - Rooney (42m), Nedved (60m) = 198m
Edgar - Drogba 35m, Lahm 45m, Zambrotta 30m, Hazard 10m, Valdes 10m, Gattuso 35m, Pirlo 55m = 80m
Crappy - Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m) = 148m
Aldo - Rio Ferdinand 48m. = 252m
Balu - Verón (31m), Neuer (15m) = 254m
NoPace - Bale (25m) = 275m
Pol/Theon - Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m) = 132m
 
Total players (FW, DF, GK) : 60
Forwards

Raul - 30m - Fergus - 14:47
C.Ronaldo 102m - MJJ - 18:18
Shearer 25m - MJJ - 17:47
D. Silva - 10m - Annah - 18:27
R.V. Nistelrooy - 25m - Rpitroda - 18:32
Del Piero - 25m - fergus'son - 20.40
T.Henry - 45m - Aldo - 23.36
Suarez - 20M - Nopace - 03:02
Shevchenko - 14M - Pol - 05.30
Crespo - 12m - kps88 - 07.43

MIDFIELDERS

Keane - 65m - Balu - 7:41
P. Guardiola - 39m - Cutch - 10.24
G. Mendieta - 34m - Cutch - 10.24
Angel Di Maria - 15M - Fergus - 10:38
Scholl - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Baraja - 14m - Pippa - 12.00
Edgar Davids - 45m - kps88 - 14.41
S Gerrard - 42m - kps88 - 14.41
Ribery - 40m - Crappy - 18:02
Makélélé - 28m - Aldo - 18:50
Rui Costa - 32M - VivaJ - 19:27
X.Alonso - 28m - NoPace - 20.40
Emerson - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Schweinsteiger - 23M - Fergus - 20:57
Ljungberg - 20m - paceme - 21:24
Yaya Toure 25m - rpitroda - 22.11
Martinez - 15M - MJJ - 22:57
Essien -24m-Nopace-03:02
Simeone - 14m - Edgar - 03:43
Lampard - 18m - Pippa - 04:44
Modric-16m-paceme-6:32
P.Vieira - 45m - Rpitroda - 06:54

Defenders

Sagnol - 28m- Balu - 7:39
J. Stam - 40M - VivaJ - 08:19
C.Gamarra-20m-paceme - 08:20
Dani Alves - 32m - Crappy 08.33
Vincent Kompany - 20M - Fergus - 10:37
Ivanovic -10m - paceme - 12.00
Andersson - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Sagna 10m-MJJ-12.00
Chiellini - 20m - Cutch - 13.47
Cannavaro - 41m - Balu - 17.21
R. Ayala - 29m - Pippa - 17.28
Sorin-12m-Crappy-18.02
Alaba - 20m - VivaJ - 18:20
Alba - 13M - Fergus - 18:51
P.Evra -28m- NoPace - 20:40
Salgado - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Hyppia - 12M - VivaJ - 00:21
Sol Cambell - 25M - No Pace - 03:01
Sergio Ramos - 16m - Edgar - 03:43
W.samuel-14-paceme-5:40
Puyol - 21m - Crappy- 06:13
Hyppia - 14m - Rpitroda - 06:54

Goalkeepers

Peruzzi - 10m - crappy - 12:00
DDG -10m- MJJ - 1745
Dida - 10m - annah -18:33
Toldo - 12M - Fergus - 18:51

@Cutch Crespo
 
Pippa said:
You definitely can, some players tend to be more highly rated than they should. My choice of a CF had to be 10m, and he had to be a real big target man, so that's why I took Adriano. Who's the better shooter? I'm not really sure, I've seen Adriano score some outrageous goals in his lifetime. Crazy skillful goals and just bullets. Not to mention he was actually a strong header of the ball.

He once scored with a 40-yard chip, I think. I have to find the match he did it in. He was some player in his prime, and he did it whilst partying every other week.
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I think this is one of the bonuses with players who has that ability. Even against Kohler/Beckenbauer a player like Adriano could score.

Balu had Forlan in the WC environment with that ability and I think it won him my vote when he played. Zlatan I'd say is the top guy when it comes to scoring/passing "Goals of the season" that are just impossible to defend against.
 
Updating mine.

Sold Players

rpitroda - D. Beckham 40M, Terry 34m, Neville 32m, Abidal 25m = 169m
Annahmoss - Xavi 66M, Busquests 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) = 79M
VivaJanuzaj - Van der Sar 15M, Piszczek 10M, Seedorf 35M, Enrique 38M, Giggs 65M = 137M
Pippa - Robert Pires 32M + Figo 71M + Adriano 10M = 187M
Gandalf -Casillas 19m, Vidic 43m, Adriano 19m, Cambiasso 29M, Ballack 39M, Zidane 71m, Cavani 10m, Zlatan 15m, (Neymar-10->12m) = 57M left.
Fergus - Ronaldo 95m, Zanetti 50M = 145M
Cutch - Buffon 15m, Thuram 50m, Nesta 60m, Joaquin 10m Ivan De La Pena 10m, Kily Gonzalez 10m, Juan Roman Riquelme 27m = 182m (118m left)
kps 88 - Cech 10M Carlos 42m R. Carvalho 34M= 214M
paceme - Iniesta (70=>89M), Robben 30M = 289M
MJJ - Rooney (42m), Nedved (60m) = 198m
Edgar - Drogba 35m, Lahm 45m, Zambrotta 30m, Hazard 10m, Valdes 10m, Gattuso 35m, Pirlo 55m = 80m
Crappy - Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m) = 148m
Aldo - Rio Ferdinand 48m. = 252m
Balu - Verón (31m), Neuer (15m), Keane (65m), Sagnol (28m) = 161m
NoPace - Bale (25m) = 275m
Pol/Theon - Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m) = 132m
 
Total players (FW, DF, GK) : 58
Forwards

Raul - 30m - Fergus - 14:47
C.Ronaldo 102m - MJJ - 18:18
Shearer 25m - MJJ - 17:47
D. Silva - 10m - Annah - 18:27
R.V. Nistelrooy - 25m - Rpitroda - 18:32
Del Piero - 25m - fergus'son - 20.40
T.Henry - 45m - Aldo - 23.36
Suarez - 20M - Nopace - 03:02
Shevchenko - 14M - Pol - 05.30
Crespo - 12m - kps88 - 07.43

MIDFIELDERS

P. Guardiola - 39m - Cutch - 10.24
G. Mendieta - 34m - Cutch - 10.24
Angel Di Maria - 15M - Fergus - 10:38
Scholl - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Baraja - 14m - Pippa - 12.00
Edgar Davids - 45m - kps88 - 14.41
S Gerrard - 42m - kps88 - 14.41
Ribery - 40m - Crappy - 18:02
Makélélé - 28m - Aldo - 18:50
Rui Costa - 32M - VivaJ - 19:27
X.Alonso - 28m - NoPace - 20.40
Emerson - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Schweinsteiger - 23M - Fergus - 20:57
Ljungberg - 20m - paceme - 21:24
Yaya Toure 25m - rpitroda - 22.11
Martinez - 15M - MJJ - 22:57
Essien -24m-Nopace-03:02
Simeone - 14m - Edgar - 03:43
Lampard - 18m - Pippa - 04:44
Modric-16m-paceme-6:32
P.Vieira - 45m - Rpitroda - 06:54

Defenders

J. Stam - 40M - VivaJ - 08:19
C.Gamarra-20m-paceme - 08:20
Dani Alves - 32m - Crappy 08.33
Vincent Kompany - 20M - Fergus - 10:37
Ivanovic -10m - paceme - 12.00
Andersson - 10m - paceme - 12.00
Sagna 10m-MJJ-12.00
Chiellini - 20m - Cutch - 13.47
Cannavaro - 41m - Balu - 17.21
R. Ayala - 29m - Pippa - 17.28
Sorin-12m-Crappy-18.02
Alaba - 20m - VivaJ - 18:20
Alba - 13M - Fergus - 18:51
P.Evra -28m- NoPace - 20:40
Salgado - 10m - Pippa - 20.40
Hyppia - 12M - VivaJ - 00:21
Sol Cambell - 25M - No Pace - 03:01
Sergio Ramos - 16m - Edgar - 03:43
W.samuel-14-paceme-5:40
Puyol - 21m - Crappy- 06:13
Hyppia - 14m - Rpitroda - 06:54

Goalkeepers

Peruzzi - 10m - crappy - 12:00
DDG -10m- MJJ - 1745
Dida - 10m - annah -18:33
Toldo - 12M - Fergus - 18:51
 
crappycraperson said:
No. Ronaldo and Messi's stats put a context on other people's stats. There is something truly extraordinary about the numbers those two pull up, but they are inflated to an extend due to the defending in this era. Even if you account for that inflation, the stats are crazy. As far as the rest are concerned, I would say Ruud's and Henry's 40+ goal seasons were much more impressive than Zlatan's or Cavani's or Falcao's.
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Why? I think if you play as a striker in a 4-4-1-1 you are supposed to score a much higher percentage of the teams goals than if you do it in a 4-2-3-1 like Benzema.

If anything the wingers has taken a huge step forward in their role in scoring goals. So comparing a winger like Hazard with Giggs in terms of goal-scoring is very distorted.

But at the same time a striker from the 4-4-1-1 era should have an even bigger chance of scoring goals for his team than now.

Remove Bayern/Barca who are at an "all-time level" and Messi and Cristiano and suddenly everything looks very comparable.

Ibras/Cavanis/Falcaos goal-scoring records are similar to RVN and in my eyes they aren't far from his level. Look at their skills and compare them and you see that Zlatan probably has the upper hand in everything except off-the-ball-runs/movement and finishing.
 
Ah, Adriano didn't score. He hit the crossbar. September 22, 2004 against Atalanta. He scored a 92' winner in that match as well. Go to 3:25 if you want to see that, the speed and power he shows in that goal is awesome. Not to mention you see Taibi messing up!



It's right at the beginning. No idea how he has the balls to do something like that.



Go to 1:13. October 17, 2004 against Udinese. These are the types of goals he could score, Adriano. :drool: And if you want to see a bullet free kick, go to 0:34. The power he has in his strikes are incredible.
 
Last year we scored 86 goals and 2001 we scored 87 when we came third. Of course 99 and 08 we scored the same amount of goals.

So teams certainly score more or less the same these days if we remove Bayern/Barca.

Even in La Liga teams scored similar amount of goals with RM scoring 86 or something in 02-03 and 100+ last year. But that is again Ronaldo overproducing, had he played in 02-03 and scored half his goals from a wide spot RM would again be over 100+ goals.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Why? I think if you play as a striker in a 4-4-1-1 you are supposed to score a much higher percentage of the teams goals than if you do it in a 4-2-3-1 like Benzema.

If anything the wingers has taken a huge step forward in their role in scoring goals. So comparing a winger like Hazard with Giggs in terms of goal-scoring is very distorted.

But at the same time a striker from the 4-4-1-1 era should have an even bigger chance of scoring goals for his team than now.

Remove Bayern/Barca who are at an "all-time level" and Messi and Cristiano and suddenly everything looks very comparable.

Ibras/Cavanis/Falcaos goal-scoring records are similar to RVN and in my eyes they aren't far from his level. Look at their skills and compare them and you see that Zlatan probably has the upper hand in everything except off-the-ball-runs/movement and finishing.
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Football is not played on paper though. Ruud is much more proven striker than Zlatan.

Level between the top teams and others have risen too much now. Look at the point total needed to win in late 90s and now in PL. Look at La Liga FFS.. even 100 points is not automatic title guarantee. Absurd.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I think statistics are always better brought up than rejected. What they mean is up to everybody to make their mind up about.

Remove Messi and Ronaldo and the stats suddenly don't look very crazy these days. Slightly higher but nothing to the extreme at all.
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Stats without context are next to meaningless.
 
Pippa said:
Ah, Adriano didn't score. He hit the crossbar. September 22, 2004 against Atalanta. He scored a 92' winner in that match as well. Go to 3:25 if you want to see that, the speed and power he shows in that goal is awesome. Not to mention you see Taibi messing up!



It's right at the beginning. No idea how he has the balls to do something like that.



Go to 1:13. October 17, 2004 against Udinese. These are the types of goals he could score, Adriano. :drool: And if you want to see a bullet free kick, go to 0:34. The power he has in his strikes are incredible.
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Like I said earlier, he is one of the very few who reached the unplayable status. Would absolutely dominate defenders on a good day.

Didn't Inter play him without any other width in the team though? Brazil had Robinho/Ronaldinho I think who helped him out with that which is why he was even better there.
 
Okay, before I start negotiating for Keane. Am I really fecked if I play him next to Veron? I always thought Scholes was the problem, that Veron and Scholes didn't fit in the same team and Veron couldn't play his favorite role. It had nothing to do with Keane?

Could you guys answer that honestly :lol: ? I might sell Keane anyway, but I really loved to know that.
 
Balu said:
Okay, before I start negotiating for Keane. Am I really fecked if I play him next to Veron? I always thought Scholes was the problem, that Veron and Scholes didn't fit in the same team and Veron couldn't play his favorite role. It had nothing to do with Keane?

Could you guys answer that honestly :lol: ? I might sell Keane anyway, but I really loved to know that.
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I see absolutely no reason why you can't play Keane next to Veron.
 
rpitroda said:
I see absolutely no reason why you can't play Keane next to Veron.
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I thought that as well, but then Pat and Anto made comments that made me think about the whole 'Veron failing at United' drama.
 
Balu said:
Okay, before I start negotiating for Keane. Am I really fecked if I play him next to Veron? I always thought Scholes was the problem, that Veron and Scholes didn't fit in the same team and Veron couldn't play his favorite role. It had nothing to do with Keane?

Could you guys answer that honestly :lol: ? I might sell Keane anyway, but I really loved to know that.
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Yeah that's true. Veron actually did well for us in Europe. I am not sure if it was when he was paired with Keane. In some games, three of them did play together. And I do remember him having good games when Butt was in midfield with scholes.
 
Balu said:
I thought that as well, but then Pat and Anto made comments that made me think about the whole 'Veron failing at United' drama.
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Simplistic view on why Veron failed. Much more than that IMO.

The only issue is what type of formation you intend on playing. In a midfield 2 Verons lack of movement and pace can become an issue. Keane is box to box so assume Keane gets caught up field, Veron wouldn't be the best holder. However if you're playing a midfield 3, I think he has a role to play.

My personal biggest issue with Veron is I always have thought if he gets pressurised, he doesn't handle it as well as others of a similar mould. He is one player I always felt needed time on the ball to work his magic.
 
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