Transfer fantasy draft

I am happy with no changes and prefer it, but I know there has been a lot of negativity whenever I've said I want a draft with no reinforcements which this will become for some teams. So we will see what people say and have a vote about it. I can't run the draft after your sole wishes Crappy, every voice and opinion counts the same, yours as well.

Right now we are trying to think of alternative solutions, not to apply and execute this second but to have it sorted for when all teams are through do we just have to vote.

I will not be voting in the matter even if i go through.
 
Lets wait for the first round to end than we'll talk about it.
The thing I agree with crappy is, that we said at the beginning that this is how it will go, so I don't see any reason to change the rules now.
 
We did indeed the question is which solution is least bad rather than which solution is perfect.
 
I've always preferred light tough reinforcements rather than overhauls or mid-tournament rule changes.
 
I don't like the idea of adding TPs either. Let's not forget that several of the TPs already in the draft will be available to buy after the first round is over.

Plus, the way I see it there isn't a single team in this draft which couldn't do with upgrades - even upgrades in terms of non-TP players. So, I don't see adding TPs as a necessity at all.
 
The potential loss of managers is a far greater problem at this stage anyway!

Hopefully they'll show up.
 
Seems there's been a surge of no-show issues in the last couple of drafts. Probably worth reinforcing a point about commitment for the next one.
 
Gio said:
Seems there's been a surge of no-show issues in the last couple of drafts. Probably worth reinforcing a point about commitment for the next one.
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Yes. I suggested we should go for a 8 team draft for this very reason

You can take over one of the teams here BTW. :angel:
 
I wouldn't prefer things to be changed mid-way, Annah. Specially if crappy asked the very same thing and was assured it would remain the same, it would be really unfair to his team and his planning.

And yeah, let's kick off stob vs cutch if you have the write ups from both. We already are in a situation where we would have to wait for the absentees so in the meantime we should carry out the rest of the games.
 
Great for voicing your opinions guys, will be noted.

Stobzilla hasn't sent in the write-up I believe. I will double check it.

EDIT: No he hasn't.
 
I said from the off touching TPs was wrong. People obviously made decisions not just in terms of which roles to have TPs in themselves, but which roles they were happy having non-TPs bearing in mind the implications (who other people would be able to have, often cheaply, which also points to the list of TPs not being open to alterations). Changing this now would be a travesty.

I also fundamentally disagree about teams not being able to improve without such a change, there are real gems in various roles and they will keep getting released by losing teams all the way to the final. That would be enough for reinforcements to be real, while avoiding Galactico nonsense.

Gio said:
I've always preferred light tough reinforcements rather than overhauls or mid-tournament rule changes.
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This chaps aren't half spoiled, eh? What would they do if they went back to having to pick from their rival? I remember playing games and thinking "feck, I'm not interested in a single one of their players" while the draws for each round kept my cherry on the cake out of bounds :annoyed:
 
antohan said:
I said from the off touching TPs was wrong. People obviously made decisions not just in terms of which roles to have TPs in themselves, but which roles they were happy having non-TPs bearing in mind the implications (who other people would be able to have, often cheaply, which also points to the list of TPs not being open to alterations). Changing this now would be a travesty.

I also fundamentally disagree about teams not being able to improve without such a change, there are real gems in various roles and they will keep getting released by losing teams all the way to the final. That would be enough for reinforcements to be real, while avoiding Galactico nonsense.



This chaps aren't half spoiled, eh? What would they do if they went back to having to pick from their rival? I remember playing games and thinking "feck, I'm not interested in a single one of their players" while the draws for each round kept my cherry on the cake out of bounds :annoyed:
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Those were the days, the draw had such a massive effect and could turn things on it's head. I remember the one we had in newbs which was a 90s Serie A draft where I absolutely got mauled by the draw, and after progressing to the second round I virtually got no real improvement. I needed midfielders and strikers and the best I could get was Boban and Salas and everyone else was enjoying the likes of Zidane, Van Basten and what not.

Overall I loved that draft and possibly the most challenging one I have played both the newbs and mains combined (Brwned won that one, he just get ridiculous quality in reinforcements one after the other and ended up in the final with an almost all time quality frontline) but the draw really pissed all over my team.
 
Aldo said:
Those were the days, the draw had such a massive effect and could turn things on it's head. I remember the one we had in newbs which was a 90s Serie A draft where I absolutely got mauled by the draw, and after progressing to the second round I virtually got no real improvement. I needed midfielders and strikers and the best I could get was Boban and Salas and everyone else was enjoying the likes of Zidane, Van Basten and what not.

Overall I loved that draft and possibly the most challenging one I have played both the newbs and mains combined (Brwned won that one, he just get ridiculous quality in reinforcements one after the other and ended up in the final with an almost all time quality frontline) but the draw really pissed all over my team.
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Aye, I don't see what Anto's moaning about - one time he got Beckenbauer, Pele and Maradona as his three reinforcements in consecutive rounds!
 
Aldo said:
Those were the days, the draw had such a massive effect and could turn things on it's head. I remember the one we had in newbs which was a 90s Serie A draft where I absolutely got mauled by the draw, and after progressing to the second round I virtually got no real improvement. I needed midfielders and strikers and the best I could get was Boban and Salas and everyone else was enjoying the likes of Zidane, Van Basten and what not.

Overall I loved that draft and possibly the most challenging one I have played both the newbs and mains combined (Brwned won that one, he just get ridiculous quality in reinforcements one after the other and ended up in the final with an almost all time quality frontline) but the draw really pissed all over my team.
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Reminds me of the 50s one. I went for Boniek, my favourites in midfield, built a mean defence and risked starting with Fernando Morena upfront hoping I would get one of the big guns later... Only managed to get hold of Elkjaer after the semi and in the meantime Brwned had got Hugo Sanchez (from the off) and Rummenigge, Blokhin and Zico as reinforcements. Cnut. :mad:
 
antohan said:
Reminds me of the 50s one. I went for Boniek, my favourites in midfield, built a mean defence and risked starting with Fernando Morena upfront hoping I would get one of the big guns later... Only managed to get hold of Elkjaer after the semi and in the meantime Brwned had got Hugo Sanchez (from the off) and Rummenigge, Blokhin and Zico as reinforcements. Cnut. :mad:
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:lol: Yeah I remember following that and it had a couple of teams later on with ridiculous strike forces.
 
Gio said:
Aye, I don't see what Anto's moaning about - one time he got Beckenbauer, Pele and Maradona as his three reinforcements in consecutive rounds!
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I was due some jam! Aldo will tell you I wanted Maradona and Ronaldo/Romario, but I couldn't possibly complain.

Mind you, it required taking the risk of not getting an Argie at all at the start of the draft, picking Effenberg waiting for some luck with either Beckenbauer or Matthaus, and only picking a non-essential/subbable Brazilian on the 12th round, the very dodgy Roberto Rivelino :drool:
 
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antohan said:
This chaps aren't half spoiled, eh? What would they do if they went back to having to pick from their rival? I remember playing games and thinking "feck, I'm not interested in a single one of their players" while the draws for each round kept my cherry on the cake out of bounds :annoyed:
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I remember playing a draft under those rules taking over a team who had built the side around van Basten as the first pick I believe. I played three teams in a row who had done exactly the same so I had real Ronaldo, van Basten and Cruyff in the team with Romario and Eusebio I believe neglected from me.

Of course I weren't able to pick up a midfielder or defender of enough quality and I was completely destroyed in the semi's.

The drafts were terrible under those rules, absolutely horrendous. Building teams had near no part at all with winning, it was all about getting lucky with the draws.

I am really happy the drafts has developed from that stage.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I remember playing a draft under those rules taking over a team who had built the side around van Basten as the first pick I believe. I played three teams in a row who had done exactly the same so I had real Ronaldo, van Basten and Cruyff in the team with Romario and Eusebio I believe neglected from me.

Of course I weren't able to pick up a midfielder or defender of enough quality and I was completely destroyed in the semi's.

The drafts were terrible under those rules, absolutely horrendous. Building teams had near no part at all with winning, it was all about getting lucky with the draws.

I am really happy the drafts has developed from that stage.
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Not really, if you picked up no quality and your defence/midfield got destroyed it follows you neglected that when drafting.

The draw had a role, of course, but teams that got far were quite evidently better planned/constructed from the off. There were far less reinforcements, one or two per round so the differences only started to shoiw in the last couple of games, you are now completely changing teams from one round to the next.

You pretty much had to nail your colours on a mast from the start and hope to get a wee bit lucky, but teams were very sound.
 
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Yes, I remember. I was his assistant. :D
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Aye that's right, I'll never forget arguing against not just one but both of you in that tournament. Never again. Just as well you both ride solo these days.
 
Gio said:
Aye that's right, I'll never forget arguing against not just one but both of you in that tournament. Never again. Just as well you both ride solo these days.
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I couldn't believe we managed to spend an entire page or two arguing Gunnar Nordahl while Rivaldo and Platini sat around having drinks with some babes from the crowd. :devil:
 
antohan said:
Not really, if you picked up no quality and your midfield got destroyed it follows you neglected that when drafting.

The draw had a role, of course, but teams that got far were quite evidently better planned/constructed from the off. There were far less reinforcements, one or two per round so the differences were only abysmal in the last couple of games, you are now completely changing teams from one round to the next.
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Your opponent may have first-picked Maradona to then pick up Matthaus and Rijkaard from the opponent he beat. So even if you spent your first second and third pick on an AM-CM-CM of the highest quality it wouldn't be enough. The drafts were completely based on getting a match-up where his two best players weren't playing in positions you had yours playing in. So you could move on to the next round with a great chance of making it further.

Terrible system to play of course. I don't think the last draft was better as it was a trial, but the change in the snake draft to turn the reinforcements in to a snake draft of the kicked out pool is a huge improvement on this "pick up two from your opponent" which was rubbish really.

The sheep draft idea is similar to the old "pick up reinforcements from the team you beat" but much funnier as well. As instead of suffering on its randomness its randomness makes it fun.

Also there were 6 reinforcements which means switching out 60% of your outfield players. Of course it turned noticeable if someone had Platini as a first pick, played against Maradona kicked him out and then didn't pick him and instead picked Schweinsteiger as a CM who was the third pick of the opponent.

If your opponents got lucky and you didn't then you were fecked in a way you aren't anymore. Now it is always quite even quality wise and more about how people fit in their players in a team.
 
Reinforcements is always quite too meaningful imo. I think we should leave the rules as they are, it was a great idea leaving this with teams not getting to incredible teams to the final, every team should have a "weakness". I don't think we should change the rules.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
Reinforcements is always quite too meaningful imo. I think we should leave the rules as they are, it was a great idea leaving this with teams not getting to incredible teams to the final, every team should have a "weakness". I don't think we should change the rules.
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Seems a convincing majority agrees!
 
So we decide on waiting for the next games? Walkinhop and Nopace are online and ignores the thread apparently. Stobzilla and Cutch will start when Stobzilla sends his tactics in.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Your opponent may have first-picked Maradona to then pick up Matthaus and Rijkaard from the opponent he beat. So even if you spent your first second and third pick on an AM-CM-CM of the highest quality it wouldn't be enough. The drafts were completely based on getting a match-up where his two best players weren't playing in positions you had yours playing in. So you could move on to the next round with a great chance of making it further.

Terrible system to play of course. I don't think the last draft was better as it was a trial, but the change in the snake draft to turn the reinforcements in to a snake draft of the kicked out pool is a huge improvement on this "pick up two from your opponent" which was rubbish really.

The sheep draft idea is similar to the old "pick up reinforcements from the team you beat" but much funnier as well. As instead of suffering on its randomness its randomness makes it fun.

Also there were 6 reinforcements which means switching out 60% of your outfield players. Of course it turned noticeable if someone had Platini as a first pick, played against Maradona kicked him out and then didn't pick him and instead picked Schweinsteiger as a CM who was the third pick of the opponent.

If your opponents got lucky and you didn't then you were fecked in a way you aren't anymore. Now it is always quite even quality wise and more about how people fit in their players in a team.
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There were odd things happening here and there but overall the basic fact was everyone had drafted in a snake draft so each team you beat had at least one player worthy of a first round pick, one of a second round pick, etc. It was very rare you couldn't pick a meaningful reinforcement who was top tier or thereabouts except when facing a first opponent who had had a mare.

Gio mentioned that time I could accommodate Beckenbauer, Maradona and Pelé (because I planned and risked for it) but let's not forget the semifinalist I beat had Maradona, Garrincha and Cruyff (off the top of my head) so even if I had someone that meant passing on Maradona I still had some top players to go for. Same for the other finalist (Cutch) who had George Best, Cristiano, van Basten, Di Stefano, Baresi... It's not like it wasn't a heavily contested final, Cutch just fecked up using every nation having decent fullbacks elsewhere and ending up with Eyzaguirre at RB :D
 
Poor form from NoPace. Last time out he was a newb so you could understand the difficulties, not now.

I'm not in the least bit interested by the way. Let SH have a second pop at it.
 
antohan said:
Poor form from NoPace. Last time out he was a newb so you could understand the difficulties, not now.

I'm not in the least bit interested by the way. Let SH have a second pop at it.
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He's been online during the time as well so we can replace him without feeling like we aren't giving him a choice. Balu has tried to reach him.
 
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