We are actually not doing badly this time around, just need to stop chasing Ramos and Schweinsteiger and focus on attainable targets, Darmian,Schneiderlin,Otamendi and a striker and we'll be ready.
Too early to be getting worried?
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Took a few days away from Transfer Muppet season and come back to sweet feck all!
Unless we get at least 2 signings in by Friday then for me the window is a failure, the promise was made that signings would be made early and they haven't. The promise was to have signings in by pre season games, unless they have them in on Friday then that is also a failure.
For me it doesn't matter who follows up to United in August after the league has started or CL Qualifiers, it's United making an absolute tit of themselves in the transfer market again.
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Unless we get at least 2 signings in by Friday then for me the window is a failure, the promise was made that signings would be made early and they haven't. The promise was to have signings in by pre season games, unless they have them in on Friday then that is also a failure.
For me it doesn't matter who follows up to United in August after the league has started or CL Qualifiers, it's United making an absolute tit of themselves in the transfer market again.
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No promise was made
That was more down to the squad as a whole and of course SAF rather than us having a good transfer window. We had Vidic, Rio, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs all around their prime or still playing at a high level in the latter' case. Rooney wasn't too shabby either that season.
FFSYes it was, they said signings would be made before the pre season. Pre season kicks off officially on Monday as we fly out to US then.
Problem?
The club have again set themselves up for failure in the transfer market. Well an good being linked to the right players, different story getting those deals done on time as they said they would and settled in to the club before the season starts.
Would you prefer they sign late and possibly be cup tied for CL?
Indeed, on the surface that window didn't look great but actually Owen scored 9 goals including a hat-trick in the Champions League, a goal in the League Cup final and the winner at City and Valencia was very good as well that year getting a few goals and plenty of assists (and continued to be a good winger for us until 2012). Helps that Rooney stepped up and banged in 34 goals too.
What a crybaby.
Or being honest.
What good is it signing players mid to late August in the run up to Deadline day?
The longer we leave it to sign off on these deals the prices will go up as time is running shorter, the selling club gain control of the transfer negotiations at this point. Players will also take longer to settle into the club if they arrive late, which in turn can have an effect on results in the PL. The worst outcome would be that players could be cup tied, Otamendi is the obvious one.
Say what you like about my post I'm not bothered, the earlier transfers are completed common sense dictates that it's better for both the player and club.
You do know when you sign a player it is usually for several years at least not just the preseason and first few weeks of the season.
Heck there was a time when you could sign players just about at anytime. Cantona for example, how did that work out?
Vidic and Evra signed when? How did they work out?
Yes as LVG said it is good to get signings dine early and he said he hoped it would get done that way. The real world has a way of making our hopes more difficult.
But perhaps I missed some interviews the ones I read contained no promises. Could some one provide me links where these promises were made. Thanks
Heck there was a time when you could sign players just about at anytime. Cantona for example, how did that work out?
Vidic and Evra signed when? How did they work out?
Yes as LVG said it is good to get signings dine early and he said he hoped it would get done that way. The real world has a way of making our hopes more difficult.
But perhaps I missed some interviews the ones I read contained no promises. Could some one provide me links where these promises were made. Thanks
If they make a public statement with intent that they will conduct business prior to pre season that is as good as a promise you can expect.
They said last year they would make Marquee signings, just about got that one over the line with Di Maria. This year the intent was to sign prior to pre season and if they don't well then they don't fulfil their public statement then do they?
They said last year they would make Marquee signings, just about got that one over the line with Di Maria. This year the intent was to sign prior to pre season and if they don't well then they don't fulfil their public statement then do they?
Lol so in other words they made no such promise but you just don't want to admit it. as I said LvG did say it is better to get deals done early and he hoped it would work out that way but he made no promises. Doubt you'll understand it, kids tend to lose all reason during the summer window.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ters-on-pre-season-tour-to-united-states.aspx
LVG said he wants to take mostly youth on the tour. Change of plans, end of story.
That doesn't mean that we're gonna sit and do f*ck all or conform in signing generic names from Southampton (maybe except Schneidi) when we are able to have way more promising players.
Ever stop to think that he changed his plans because it started to look like the transfers would drag on beyond the tour?
I'm more than likely older than you for a start
If they are going public with the intention of signing players before the summer tour then that I would personally take that as a promise to the fans, why else say it? Could of said nothing or given a different time frame?
Transfer processes tend to go that way if you're not willing to overpay that much and you're clearly after top shelf footballers but don't get depressed right away on the start. Most of United's crucial deals were made in August if you'll look at the past but that doesn't mean we won't sign players this month which should be way easier than week ago. Copa America ended and majority of players are back from vacations which also give other clubs bigger chance to sign replacements.
The Copa America didn't stop Liverpool from signing Firmino. I'll admit prior to the CA, I thought we'd have to wait too but after seeing how quickly Liverpool moved to sign Firmino I was thinking why on earth can't United do the same with Otamendi. I don't think Otamendi is highly sought after, there isn't a host of clubs queueing up, at least it seems there isn't.
Yep, we've a history of leaving it late and usually over paying. I just think this summer was vital to getting players in early after LVG arrived so late last summer. We all saw the effect it had last time around. As it stands right now, some may argue we are better off because we should be more settled with LVG still at the helm and us having one season behind us now adapting to the "philosophy". The problem with that is, our ending to the last season was abysmal for a start. If Carrick still isn't 100% fit (possibility), then we still have Rooney playing in midfield and RVP (who is on the verge of moving) or Wilson up front with no back up because Chiccarito is injured.
I'm not even going into the issues we have at CB & RB, all that added up and we seem to be dragging our feet over transfers still. As it currently stands, the preparation is a genuine concern. Can it turn around, of course it can but perhaps it'll be a little too late and we get a re run of last season?
If deals are dragging along at a slow pace and LVG isn't happy I've no doubt we'll hear about it. He isn't one to keep quiet, he will publicly state he is frustrated with the board.
If we sign a player and the team are away in the USA then I'm sure we can pay for them to fly over and play with depay. What do you say?
Van Gaal hardly said he'll take 'mostly youngsters' on tour. Just that he'll take a lot (which is not going to be more than a few) and that they'll get chances.
I don't think 'promises' were made that we'll complete deals early, it was mostly media reports claiming some plan we've had in order to do so. We did say we've identified targets, but doing that and doing the deals are two different things.
Interesting how we've seemed to have done nothing regarding Darmian for weeks and weeks before suddenly accelerating negotiations in the last couple of days. We've heard of interest in other right backs but nothing too concrete. We've let go of Clyne completely at some stage. Surely we've had some right back identified by in May, but who was it and what happened there?
Obviously things have not gone perfectly. Maybe we've been waiting to get rid of some players like Nani in order to clear space before we commit to new contracts. Maybe a surprise like the Ramos story put a halt to attempts to get other centerhalves, like Otamendi. Maybe we've been trying to make better deals and not rush to pay whatever the selling clubs wants. The right move, of course, but there should also be a time limit. It's one thing to need a player or two not too desperately, to seriously needing to make 3-4 signings and get them to gel with the team. This might not be the transfer window to start showing the world we're prudent.
While LilRicky is a little over the top, we do need to start completing deals this week in order to get them a good - if no longer the best - preparation for the season.
I don't think 'promises' were made that we'll complete deals early, it was mostly media reports claiming some plan we've had in order to do so. We did say we've identified targets, but doing that and doing the deals are two different things.
Interesting how we've seemed to have done nothing regarding Darmian for weeks and weeks before suddenly accelerating negotiations in the last couple of days. We've heard of interest in other right backs but nothing too concrete. We've let go of Clyne completely at some stage. Surely we've had some right back identified by in May, but who was it and what happened there?
Obviously things have not gone perfectly. Maybe we've been waiting to get rid of some players like Nani in order to clear space before we commit to new contracts. Maybe a surprise like the Ramos story put a halt to attempts to get other centerhalves, like Otamendi. Maybe we've been trying to make better deals and not rush to pay whatever the selling clubs wants. The right move, of course, but there should also be a time limit. It's one thing to need a player or two not too desperately, to seriously needing to make 3-4 signings and get them to gel with the team. This might not be the transfer window to start showing the world we're prudent.
While LilRicky is a little over the top, we do need to start completing deals this week in order to get them a good - if no longer the best - preparation for the season.
Of course. Depends on when it happens, though. A few days after we fly is fine. But at some stage of the tour, with fewer days remaining in the US and the jet leg, it might be more harmful than beneficial to fly a player all the way there.
Well Schneiderlin has gone to Austria with Southampton so that's one deal that won't be done any time soon.
Austria is a 2-hour flight from Manchester. If we agree the deal with Southampton he can get back and sign the deal before we even go out on tour.
I expect Schneiderlin and Otamendi deals to be done by the end of July (I don't think we will get Ramos so we will exercise plan B and sign Otamendi). Darmian should be done before we travel to the US.
Also there really isn't anything wrong with getting Schweinsteiger in addition to Schneiderlin and to be honest due to the injury record of our defenders there isn't anything wrong with getting Ramos in addition to Otamendi, consider it a bonus, McNair can go out on loan for first team football.
Never said this.
Good post, this.
True, but honestly I don't see it happening.
Simply because we shall be state side on our US Tour as of Monday, so any deal to be completed for Schneiderlin will logically be done in August. I'm sure LVG and Woodward will both want to be present at his signing and if that is the case then it's August, after the summer tour as our final fixture is on 29th July. Our opening PL fixture is then only ten days later.
And people wonder why I am stressing deals should be completed this week?
I really don't think I am being over the top, I fully understand that transfers are detailed and are problematic and time consuming. With that in mind and knowing full well our squad is behind other sides around us in the PL we should really be more determined / eager to complete transfers. I mean we completed Depay transfer and there has been nothing overly definitive since, a bid for Ramos supposedly? depending where you take your transfer rumours from? A low bid for Schneiderlin turned down and nothing to report since that.
I explained above, for example with the Schneiderlin deal that any deal for him will most likely require LVG and / or Woody present, for any club signing there usually is a figure head present. LVG will be in US from Monday onwards and up to August 1st as our last match is on July 29th. Doesn't Woodward usually also go on these tours? He went the last two summers if I recall correctly, a story about him having to rush home to attempt to complete a deal (he didn't by the way).
Anyway, by the time LVG flies back to Manchester it'll be either 30th / 31st. Possibly squeeze in a transfer then? The weekend before the premier league starts? I don't recall United completing transfers on weekends so before you know it's Monday, August 3rd. Then your into the PL season and we hardly have the easiest of ties to start we do we? Yes we beat them 3-0 a couple of months ago but sure that's in the past and considering we lost our opening game last season, who knows how it'll go.
Like I said, the ideal scenario is to have a couple of players bedded into the routine and getting to know his team mates and the manager before flying out on Monday. I've said it for weeks on here, July 10th or it will be extremely worrying start to the campaign. More so when you factor in the CL qualifying games also, right from the get go United are in at the deep end of it this season.
United got off to very poor start to last season, without the right investment in time I fear we shall see a repeat.
Put me in the "concerned" group. Regardless of any promises that were or were not made, I believe that with Woodward's mandate, the club's healthy finances, previous transfer window misadventures, and the obvious positional needs apparent to anyone watching us play, that more was expected (and needed) by this stage of the game.
Manchester United should be leading the way. I understand the challenges but we have the resources, management, and backing from ownership to remove the obstacles and exceed expectations. We still have time but even waiting past the announcement of relaxed FFP regulations has harmed our negotiating position and put us at a disadvantage for critical early matches including qualifying for CL.
The current situation may not be catastrophic yet, but I do think it's fallen short of the goal to reinforce critical positions with ample time to prepare for the season.
I'm not 'worried' because I'm confident we'll land the right players and assemble a good squad but I'm annoyed that we're 10 days from our first match out in the US and it looks as though players won't be signed before then and will either have to join the tour late or not at all. We're 4 weeks away from our first league games and a Champions League qualifier and nothing's really happened since Depay, just a lot of 'closing in' on deals. We made a bad start last time with 13 points from 10 games so you'd have thought we'd have seen more activity to allow the squad the maximum time to adapt and gel. A lot of other teams haven't signed many players yet but it's no excuse.
We're not on tour yet? A transfer can be completed within 2 days as van Gaal has said and proven. Let's wait and see what will happen in the next few days before we panic. I trust Woodward to do a whole lot better with CL and van Gaal instead of dithering Moyes. Last year he got the players in but it was late because of the WC, this time he has planned for months with van Gaal. Some deals might take longer but that's not even a fact, I'm as relaxed as when this thread got posted.
If the speculation is true we'll be adressing all our weak spots in the team.
Somebody's getting a little defensive.
I never said you did, I was agreeing with your post and making a further point on it (hence starting with 'also') regarding treating Ramos and Schweinsteiger as bonuses as opposed to primary targets.
Not sure why you assumed it was a disagreement with you, pessimism perhaps.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly happy about the situation either. We should have had a couple more deals done by now. Lilke I said, if we were going to show we're being more prudent and you can't get tons of money out of us - this wasn't the best of windows to do so. Better to act like that when you're in position of some strength, which we aren't.
I'm just trying to make sense of it all.
Ah!.......i see.
We travel to the states on Monday. Any signings will need to be done pretty quickly if they want to be included on tour. Unless there is a situation like with Hernandez when he met up with the squad on tour.
Maybe the cry babies will stop crying as things are getting pretty lively now.
Hopefully Darmian, Schneiderlin, Otamendi and Schweinsteiger will all be here before the league starts.
DDG
DARMIAN--------OTAMENDI---------SMALLING----------SHAW
CARRICK-------SCHWEINSTEIGER
HERRERA
DI MARIA--------------------------------------------MEMPHIS
ROONEY
DDG
DARMIAN--------OTAMENDI---------SMALLING----------SHAW
CARRICK-------SCHWEINSTEIGER
HERRERA
DI MARIA--------------------------------------------MEMPHIS
ROONEY
If we can get Memphis, Darmian and Schneiderlin a few games during pre season we can comfortably chase the striker and centre back targets a little longer in my view.
Not worried at all. Saw a twitter today saying the RB discussions have been going on for 4 months. So it is clear targets were identified and because United are not an open cheque anymore, it takes time to get to the right figures.
Two purchases todate are for sensible money. Looks like Schneiderin is coming and even for £27M is good business. If Otamendi rumours are true, this will be a very good window.
Add to that we have not been shafted by RM over DDG, so looking good so far.
As long as we have our main targets in by end of July I do not see why we need to worry.
Two purchases todate are for sensible money. Looks like Schneiderin is coming and even for £27M is good business. If Otamendi rumours are true, this will be a very good window.
Add to that we have not been shafted by RM over DDG, so looking good so far.
As long as we have our main targets in by end of July I do not see why we need to worry.
Updated rumors
In:
Diafra Sakho
Out:
di Maria
Hardly a like for like exchange...
The non-worriers are looking more deluded by the day. Frankly our transfer window is making it look like our objective is a strong mid-table finish. Those defending the delays as being due to the club being financially savvy are being penny-wise, pound-foolish. A few extra million on a top player can mean the difference between CL and mid-table. Plus the longer the window goes on the less negotiating leverage we have.
Can't wait for the inevitable tweet from Mike Keegan telling us how he predicted the Depay,Darmian and Schneiderlin signings.
Will have to wait till we actually sign the other 2 though
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