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Will have to wait till we actually sign the other 2 though

Darmian and Schneiderlin are definitely signing for United, I think we all know this, most people just choose to worry....it's July, pre season hasn't started yet so I can understand why people are jumpy.

I'm more worried about Otamendi and our new striker
 
Darmian and Schneiderlin are definitely signing for United, I think we all know this, most people just choose to worry....it's July, pre season hasn't started yet so I can understand why people are jumpy.

I'm more worried about Otamendi and our new striker
I just accept that someone has signed till when they actually are signed.
 
Its never too early to be worried for a muppet, actually, its usually too late!
 
I think Chelsea last year were a great example of how to go about sorting your business out early - they went in very early got the players they wanted and had a settled squad in July. The cruised the league.

United seem to want to haggle over a couple million quid which leaves us struggling to find our feet until October.
 
I'm starting to get worried a little bit. Mainly because we're losing players that have proven ability and it doesn't seem as though we've got much lined up (or that is at least the way it looks through the media as no one has a clue it appears). I fully expect us to sign a couple of players but I also expect LvG to shuffle players around and play players in different positions (like Januzaj as a striker) just because that's what he does. I guess it worked out for most of that Bayern Munich team though so we shouldn't be too worried.
 
United will be busy and get some top players. It will all be last minute though IMO. Predo as of today is that we will sign Otamendi, Schneiderlin, Cillessen and a striker (let's say Benzema) next month.

Hopefully this thread dies next month.
 
I think everyone knows we need to sign 4-5 players perhaps and it's exciting. We could probably guess 1-2 players but I'm sure there will be some surprises.
 
I'm starting to get worried a little bit. Mainly because we're losing players that have proven ability and it doesn't seem as though we've got much lined up (or that is at least the way it looks through the media as no one has a clue it appears). I fully expect us to sign a couple of players but I also expect LvG to shuffle players around and play players in different positions (like Januzaj as a striker) just because that's what he does. I guess it worked out for most of that Bayern Munich team though so we shouldn't be too worried.

I'm sure we do have players lined up, however do also believe that those players won't arrive until August. Some probably after the PL and CL Qualifiers have started.
 
I dont know if I would use the word worried to describe how I feel now but I do feel a little anxious about the summer signings. Clearly we have failed in the goal of trying to get all the business done before pre-season starts. In the past this was not much of an issue but with the way business is done now and the fact that new players usually take time to adapt to LVG's style it is disappointing that we have not finalized all our transfers yet. More players will come in, of that I have no doubt at least 2 or 3 players will come in imo but I really hope we are not too reliant on them in the beginning unless its an experienced group of players that can adapt quickly.
 
I think that's my frustration as well. Yes, we might get the players we need but it will be so late in the day that we will be too far behind to mount a serious title challenge by the time we have a settle squad.
 
There's just nothing in the recent history of the club that shows we have a coherent approach to transfers. The last few seasons under SAF were lackluster with the whole "value in the market" philosophy. But the core of the squad was still there plus SAF was a genius.

We all know about the disaster that was Moyes' first window where we lost 5M on Fellaini just for haggling and waiting until the last minute. Then last year despite LvG being appointed as manager fairly early in the summer, it was reasonable to assume that the delays in signing players was due to the transition. Then we went absolutely insane, breaking all sorts of records in August to bring in a slew of players at the last minute.

Now this year the early signing of Depay seemed to signal a sensible approach of getting business done early and effectively over the course of the summer. It also signalled that it would be a busy window for us. But that was two months ago, and our rivals have all strengthened or are being linked with truly top players, while for us it looks like we are going to be a net seller this window.

At this point, I don't know what the outcome is going to be, but I just don't get any comfort that our transfer business is being conducted in the smartest way.
 
Or being honest.

What good is it signing players mid to late August in the run up to Deadline day?

The longer we leave it to sign off on these deals the prices will go up as time is running shorter, the selling club gain control of the transfer negotiations at this point. Players will also take longer to settle into the club if they arrive late, which in turn can have an effect on results in the PL. The worst outcome would be that players could be cup tied, Otamendi is the obvious one.

Say what you like about my post I'm not bothered, the earlier transfers are completed common sense dictates that it's better for both the player and club.
How many big player deals, for any PL club, have been completed?

Manchester United is intent on targets that garner competition from other clubs.

Arsenal signed an ageing Petr Cech early. It is a great business for them but no one else was looking to buy Cech. Rumors of our interest in him didn't even last 2 days.

We signed Depay, one of the most promising young players even before the season ended. That was great business too.

Now we're close to signing Darmian who doesn't excite me but is a position where we do need cover.

Have patience. If we need a particular type of player for LvG's philosophy and style of play to work out, we'll buy him. If we don't find one, we'll still fight it out in the PL.

It takes more than star signings to win the league. History has shown us that multiple times.
 
There's just nothing in the recent history of the club that shows we have a coherent approach to transfers. The last few seasons under SAF were lackluster with the whole "value in the market" philosophy. But the core of the squad was still there plus SAF was a genius.

We all know about the disaster that was Moyes' first window where we lost 5M on Fellaini just for haggling and waiting until the last minute. Then last year despite LvG being appointed as manager fairly early in the summer, it was reasonable to assume that the delays in signing players was due to the transition. Then we went absolutely insane, breaking all sorts of records in August to bring in a slew of players at the last minute.

Now this year the early signing of Depay seemed to signal a sensible approach of getting business done early and effectively over the course of the summer. It also signalled that it would be a busy window for us. But that was two months ago, and our rivals have all strengthened or are being linked with truly top players, while for us it looks like we are going to be a net seller this window.

At this point, I don't know what the outcome is going to be, but I just don't get any comfort that our transfer business is being conducted in the smartest way.


Agree,

I've been torn to shreds recently on here for echoing similar sentiments.

United's transfer dealings in recent years have been questionable at best, Fergie singing questionable talents, then putting many of those questionable talents on bumper wages, Fellaini - overpaid, Mata - overpaid and unnecessary transfer, Herrera - multiple issues, dragging out over a year long transfer saga, Thankfully we did stay with it mind you as he is a fantastic signing. Moyes dithering over targets and focusing extended periods of time on some targets that were never likely to happen, Cesc? Rojo drama last season with the 3rd party sports agency and him threatening the club he would quit, Woodward making public statements weakening our position in said transfers...We under sell many of our own players, Nani is the obvious one, Transfer rumours leaking... etc etc etc.....

There have been of course great signings too, Shaw will in time be a great addition. The fee is considerably high but for a long term investment it makes sense. Di Maria, again we probably did over pay but considering our bargaining position it was to be expected. Blind will be a great squad player for the years ahead and obtained at what is reasonable price. Depay this summer was a great bit of business! Incredible potential and all for a reasonable fee again.

Will we sign 2 or 3 more players? I think we will, but I do believe it will be August at this point, unless United are really going to pull of some impressive feat and add players in the coming days.

I've been abused on here for daring to suggest that because players will arrive late it could have an effect on our start to the season, I do wonder that if that did happen... Would those same posters keep quiet when we get off to a poor start, like we did last season for the exact same reasons?

I'd imagine by the time September roles around and If United are off to a poor start many on here will be losing their minds again about how poorly United conduct their transfers and of course blaming certain individuals and making the same sentiments I am now.

Only time will tell, it'll be an interesting few months ahead anyway.
 
Arsenal, Chelsea, and City haven't done much yet. At least we have signed Depay and Darmian seems to be on his way with Schneiderlin a real possibilty.

Pool have done some decent transfers early.
 
Arsenal, Chelsea, and City haven't done much yet. At least we have signed Depay and Darmian seems to be on his way with Schneiderlin a real possibilty.

Pool have done some decent transfers early.

Arsenal have won themselves about 5-7 points already with Cech.
 
Just a quick question. Is there a difference in passing judgement on a transfer window in June and early July vs. waiting until it is over in September and then passing judgement?
Naah. Why wait four months to complete a transfer pass judgements? Everything must be done right now!
 
There's just nothing in the recent history of the club that shows we have a coherent approach to transfers. The last few seasons under SAF were lackluster with the whole "value in the market" philosophy. But the core of the squad was still there plus SAF was a genius.

We all know about the disaster that was Moyes' first window where we lost 5M on Fellaini just for haggling and waiting until the last minute. Then last year despite LvG being appointed as manager fairly early in the summer, it was reasonable to assume that the delays in signing players was due to the transition. Then we went absolutely insane, breaking all sorts of records in August to bring in a slew of players at the last minute.

Now this year the early signing of Depay seemed to signal a sensible approach of getting business done early and effectively over the course of the summer. It also signalled that it would be a busy window for us. But that was two months ago, and our rivals have all strengthened or are being linked with truly top players, while for us it looks like we are going to be a net seller this window.

At this point, I don't know what the outcome is going to be, but I just don't get any comfort that our transfer business is being conducted in the smartest way.
Which of our rivals have strengthened so much that it worries you? Arse have only signed Cech. City have only signed some kid who will likely never play. Chelsea have only signed fecking Falcao on loan ffs. Liverpool have signed a few but do any of those really worry you? They'll almost certainly lose Sterling as well.

Your point about our rivals being "linked with truly top players" is just laughable. Are the likes of Muller, Ramos etc that we've been linked to, not truly top players? Or is your motive just to have a moan regardless of the facts?
 
Which of our rivals have strengthened so much that it worries you? Arse have only signed Cech. City have only signed some kid who will likely never play. Chelsea have only signed fecking Falcao on loan ffs. Liverpool have signed a few but do any of those really worry you? They'll almost certainly lose Sterling as well.

Your point about our rivals being "linked with truly top players" is just laughable. Are the likes of Muller, Ramos etc that we've been linked to, not truly top players? Or is your motive just to have a moan regardless of the facts?
Some just people just like a moan unless they're 100% satisfied.
 
Now this year the early signing of Depay seemed to signal a sensible approach of getting business done early and effectively over the course of the summer. It also signalled that it would be a busy window for us. But that was two months ago, and our rivals have all strengthened or are being linked with truly top players, while for us it looks like we are going to be a net seller this window.

At this point, I don't know what the outcome is going to be, but I just don't get any comfort that our transfer business is being conducted in the smartest way.

Depay did not signal a busy window. Depay was a player we like and another club was about to get him and we moved quickly.
 
Not worried, but I was hoping we'd get the business done early so we could have a good preseason with the new players. The last two preseasons have been pretty bad in terms of preparation I feel, hope this one doesn't follow that trend.
 
So far about our transfer activity

Depay strengthens our wing position that is weak, and could add very much the lack creativity out wide we have been missing, nani has been sold, he replaces that spark
Darmien strengthens our RB position that needs strengthening, valencia while a great stop gap, this guy hopefully strengthens the teams RB problem.

So overall we have signed 2 very good players with years on the clock.

Ratings of our transfer activity 6/10

More signings we make in terms of the right ones, the ratings keep rising. 2 CM players and a CB will make it a really good summer for the club. Adding the fact the deadwood is being moved on, makes the squad more balanced and for the better
 
So far about our transfer activity

Depay strengthens our wing position that is weak, and could add very much the lack creativity out wide we have been missing, nani has been sold, he replaces that spark
Darmien strengthens our RB position that needs strengthening, valencia while a great stop gap, this guy hopefully strengthens the teams RB problem.

So overall we have signed 2 very good players with years on the clock.

Ratings of our transfer activity 6/10

More signings we make in terms of the right ones, the ratings keep rising. 2 CM players and a CB will make it a really good summer for the club. Adding the fact the deadwood is being moved on, makes the squad more balanced and for the better

A striker before a CB.
 
The clouds are starting to part. Now instead of worrying about signing players, I can start worrying about our new transfers flopping like Brendan Rogers signings.
They won't because they haven't been signed by Brendan Rogers. Stop worrying. Just enjoy another enjoyable summer.
 
Which of our rivals have strengthened so much that it worries you? Arse have only signed Cech. City have only signed some kid who will likely never play. Chelsea have only signed fecking Falcao on loan ffs. Liverpool have signed a few but do any of those really worry you? They'll almost certainly lose Sterling as well.

Your point about our rivals being "linked with truly top players" is just laughable. Are the likes of Muller, Ramos etc that we've been linked to, not truly top players? Or is your motive just to have a moan regardless of the facts?

I include top clubs on the continent as rivals as well. Domestically, both City and Chelsea have less needs to fill in their squads since they buy top players regularly and even brought in some big names like Bony and Cuadrado in the winter. Still, looks like City's in pole position to get Sterling, and we can laugh now at Chelsea getting Falcao but Mourinho is not stupid and if he does eventually find his old form then we're all in trouble. Arse I hear linked with Benzema although that seems unlikely, then on the other hand I do think Liverpool did well in signing Firmino.

Muller, Ramos?? I'm having a laugh! Muller's been with Bayern since before puberty, and Ramos with Madrid almost the same. Not to mention Schweinsteiger - these are players that are almost identified with those clubs, beloved by their fans, and I just don't see these deals happening.
 
I include top clubs on the continent as rivals as well. Domestically, both City and Chelsea have less needs to fill in their squads since they buy top players regularly and even brought in some big names like Bony and Cuadrado in the winter. Still, looks like City's in pole position to get Sterling, and we can laugh now at Chelsea getting Falcao but Mourinho is not stupid and if he does eventually find his old form then we're all in trouble. Arse I hear linked with Benzema although that seems unlikely, then on the other hand I do think Liverpool did well in signing Firmino.

Muller, Ramos?? I'm having a laugh! Muller's been with Bayern since before puberty, and Ramos with Madrid almost the same. Not to mention Schweinsteiger - these are players that are almost identified with those clubs, beloved by their fans, and I just don't see these deals happening.
You don't see the Schweinsteiger deal happening? I think you might want to look into the transfer forum
 
If Müller and/or Ramos sign as well I see a forthcoming personal meltown on the horizon and a diet of humble pie

I would happily eat humble pie…but Schweinsteiger and Ramos?? I suppose they need a few more years of top-level football before joining the MLS.

How about getting players with something to prove? These guys have done it all, nothing left to achieve.
 
I would happily eat humble pie…but Schweinsteiger and Ramos?? I suppose they need a few more years of top-level football before joining the MLS.

How about getting players with something to prove? These guys have done it all, nothing left to achieve.
I mean it worked out horribly for Juventus and Pirlo...
 
I include top clubs on the continent as rivals as well. Domestically, both City and Chelsea have less needs to fill in their squads since they buy top players regularly and even brought in some big names like Bony and Cuadrado in the winter. Still, looks like City's in pole position to get Sterling, and we can laugh now at Chelsea getting Falcao but Mourinho is not stupid and if he does eventually find his old form then we're all in trouble. Arse I hear linked with Benzema although that seems unlikely, then on the other hand I do think Liverpool did well in signing Firmino.

Muller, Ramos?? I'm having a laugh! Muller's been with Bayern since before puberty, and Ramos with Madrid almost the same. Not to mention Schweinsteiger - these are players that are almost identified with those clubs, beloved by their fans, and I just don't see these deals happening.

Do you think we will sign Depay ?
 
now we are having:

. signed a left winger, probably the most exciting winger of his generation in world football;
. a right back done of his medical, an italian national regular;
. two midfielders nothing but just closing up the deal. one is a world champion;
. a world class defender in a dilemma awaiting his relationship with his current club to be resolved. obviously there is a back up plan there to acquire an argentine national regular as long as we splash cash to activate his release clause;

ideally we would have wrapped up everything by the 1st week of july. but so far i have no complaint
 
The clouds are starting to part. Now instead of worrying about signing players, I can start worrying about our new transfers flopping like Brendan Rogers signings.
I include top clubs on the continent as rivals as well. Domestically, both City and Chelsea have less needs to fill in their squads since they buy top players regularly and even brought in some big names like Bony and Cuadrado in the winter. Still, looks like City's in pole position to get Sterling, and we can laugh now at Chelsea getting Falcao but Mourinho is not stupid and if he does eventually find his old form then we're all in trouble. Arse I hear linked with Benzema although that seems unlikely, then on the other hand I do think Liverpool did well in signing Firmino.

Muller, Ramos?? I'm having a laugh! Muller's been with Bayern since before puberty, and Ramos with Madrid almost the same. Not to mention Schweinsteiger - these are players that are almost identified with those clubs, beloved by their fans, and I just don't see these deals happening.


You talk about bony and cuadrado being big names, both had zero impact last season, cuardado actually seems to be on his way out already.

You talk about mourinho not being stupid about falcao, ignoring the fact that he failed to help players like torres and shevchenco with similar issues, falcao might end up being a good signing, but he's nothing to worry about at the moment.

Honestly mate, so far we've been targeting some excellent players, better than anyone else in the European market as well, i don't understand what's bothering you here.
 
You talk about mourinho not being stupid about falcao, ignoring the fact that he failed to help players like torres and shevchenco with similar issues, falcao might end up being a good signing, but he's nothing to worry about at the moment.

Torres was after Mourinho and iirc one of the reasons Mourinho left was because of the Shevchenko thing -- apparently Mourinho didn't want him.
 
I would happily eat humble pie…but Schweinsteiger and Ramos?? I suppose they need a few more years of top-level football before joining the MLS.

How about getting players with something to prove? These guys have done it all, nothing left to achieve.

That's a quick U-turn.

I've been torn to shreds recently on here for echoing similar sentiments.

I wouldn't say torn to shreds, more that people have disagreed with you. Admittedly people have had fun with some of your comments, but that's the internet and forums for you. Goes with the territory. Say something stupid or make a knee jerk statement that is proved wrong within hours and it will get jumped on and played with. You can't really complain when you moan about something in one breath and then in the next say.....

Will we sign 2 or 3 more players? I think we will, but I do believe it will be August at this point, unless United are really going to pull of some impressive feat and add players in the coming days.

Then only one day later United sign Darmien, a much needed RB, and the current first choice for that position in the Italian Team, and less than 24 hours after that it appears United have signed Schweinsteiger too. It also looks like Schneiderlin could be on his way to United very soon as well, and that's not mentioning the Ottamendi rumours that still aren't going away.

So your whole argument is blown apart in less than 48 hours, and you then try to change it and dig yourself deeper instead of holding your hands up and admitting you are wrong. That would get you off the hook and you would stop getting stick instead of making it worse and making you look even more pessimistic and miserable. Everyone is wrong at one time or another, it's how you handle it that will determine how much it comes back to haunt you.

Quite simply, the transfer window has been open less than two weeks and United look to have secured their third player already. One very promising RB, a starter for his national side and for a very reasonable price. One extremely experienced and highly rated CDM that has played for LvG before, knows his philosophy inside out, and a man who has won nearly every major honour in football for his club and country including the Champions League and the World Cup. He also appears to be coming for a reasonable fee too. Finally, we have also signed one of the most promising and highly rated players in European football in Depay. He has also signed for a very reasonable fee and for reasonable wages.

Add to that, the clear-out has started with Falcao's immense wages off the books, Nani has gone, RvP looks to be off and so does Rafael too. It's obvious they won't be alone either.

On top of all that, United's much maligned (by yourself and many others) transfer policy appears to have evolved yet again from last Summer. It appears many deals are being conducted privately and not out in the open. A clear list of targets with first, second and even third choices have been sounded out and they are being ticked off one by one. Everything appears to being done in a sensible, respectful and responsible manner.

If all that wasn't enough, the way Woody, LvG and United on a whole are dealing with the De Gea situation is a breah of fresh air. Once again we are at least showing that we won't just bend over and let Madrid shaft us and we are making them sweat (and hopefully pay) for De Gea, while also showing the player the same.

So let's see.

Sensible transfer policy and selection of targets.
Reasonable fees paid so far
3 signings 1 confirmed, 2 all but confirmed. All 3 are in much needed positions and all 3 are improvements on what we already have.
Decent approach to releasing information regarding transfers
De Gea being handled as well as he handled the ball last year
Players leaving all as expected and massive wage bill reduction freeing up cash for others coming in
The players haven't even left to go on tour yet
It's only the second week in July
Still lot's of reason to think there will be more signings and departures

So all in all, forget is it too early to be getting worried now? let alone when this thread was made, the only real worries should be if the team settles and clicks next season. The only minor gripe I could have so far is that the fee's for Nani and RvP haven't been high enough, but just getting their wages off the books makes up for that in a way. That aside, I really cannot see why anyone would even for one minute be worried or even disappointed or upset. There really is sod all to complain or be pessimistic about. To be honest I think it's absolutely barmy for anyone to be anything other than extremely excited about it all at the moment.

Bring on the friendlies! I can't feckin wait! :D
 
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