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Im Relatively happy, Memphis and Darmian done, schweinsteiger on his way (apparently) that's wing, RB and CM filled.

Just need a striker, a CB and Schneiderlin (because he is still the perfect long term successes to carrick) and its happy days. Perfect window.
 
Im Relatively happy, Memphis and Darmian done, schweinsteiger on his way (apparently) that's wing, RB and CM filled.

Just need a striker, a CB and Schneiderlin (because he is still the perfect long term successes to carrick) and its happy days. Perfect window.
We'd perhaps also need a GK if Dave leaves. But yeah, it's slowly inching towards being a very satisfying window.
 
I think the United team is beginning to take shape with the inclusion of Schweinsteiger. He's a massive upgrade compared to Blind as a holding midfielder.
With Van Persie going (probably) and Falcao gone, Di Maria can revert to his proper role as winger, and Rooney plays upfront.

Assuming De Gea will also leave, at the moment the team would probably line up.......

--------------------Valdes-----------------
----------------New Keeper
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Darmian-----Smalling----Jones----Shaw
Valencia-----Evans-------Rojo-----Blind

Herrera-------Schweinstei-------Mata
Powell---------Carrick----------Fellaini

Depay-----------Rooney------Di Maria
Januzai---------Hernandez-----Young
-----------------Wilson---------Pereira


Rooney is not the prolific goal machine striker, but he allows DePay and Di Maria to drift in, and Herrera and Mata to come forward. I still see the partnership of Jones and Smalling to be a weakness, with Rojo not really improving things. We need another center-half. I also think that we need Schneiderlin to be used interchangeably with Schweinsteiger, and also partnering him when the need arises to go 4:4:2. Carrick also offers some cover while he winds down.

It's coming together nicely, with the prospect of more upgrades. Still wish we weren't selling Van Persie, cause I think he's an ideal player to have, and could still challenge Rooney for the main striker role.
 
If we bring in Schneiderlin and another striker it will have been an almost perfect transfer window. The squad is really starting to take shape now.

I think we'll close the deal for Schneiderlin but probably won't get another centre forward since the market isn't there. And you never know, Wilson could have a breakthrough season.
 
Depay, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Di Maria, Falcao, Van Persie . . . Remember circa 2010/11 when people - including serious football journalists - were arguing United could no longer afford or attract big name players?
 
There are a still a few days to go till the US tour, so we need to wait and see what happens.
Here's my take on our new (or almost bought) players, in order of my preference.

Memphis - I'm not too excited by Memphis, simply because this guy is one for the future - he hasn't been brought in to provide instant impact (which is what we got Falcao, Di Maria, Mata for). I just dont see him having a huge say in our title challenge next year and we already have Ashley Young, who IMO is a better winger (tried/proved/tested). And for creativity, Di Maria is probably the best in the World for that sort of thing.
Darmian - I want to wait and see how he does in the EPL. I've seen far too many top class (foreign) players come to the EPL, get shell shocked and sold back to a continental club. Di Maria was put in the FIFA World XI and last year he was mostly a bench warmer.
Schweinsteiger - If we get him and I think he will be a great buy and will provide immediate impact. My only issue with him is his injury record.
Schneiderlin - okay - this is the guy who can definitely help us win the league. He will provide instant impact. No injury problems. Experience in the EPL. He ticks every box. I can't think of any negatives.
DDG - some may think its strange that I am writing him up as a "transfer". Up until a few days ago he was certain to be a Madrid player. But now...we are not sure. If he stays for another year (or re-signs), this will like our biggest marquee signing of the Summer. In effect, we would be buying a player who will be our best player next year (just as he was for the last 2 years). The best GK in the World (IMO) and he can most definitely help us win the title.

I think that the biggest factor for our title challenge is not necessarily the players bought, but our tactic/system. Last year we scored 3 goals in the final 6 games - something I'd expect of a relegation candidate. The players available - Falcao, Mata, Di Maria, Young, Rooney, RVP. IMO, these attacking players should not be scoring 3 goals in 6 games. This is down to the system we operate and it needs to be tweaked to allow us to score more goals.
 
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We'd perhaps also need a GK if Dave leaves. But yeah, it's slowly inching towards being a very satisfying window.

The whole de gea saga will be going on until the end of the window I think it's one of those that'll be dragged out
 
This thread is a brilliant read.
 
That's a quick U-turn.



I wouldn't say torn to shreds, more that people have disagreed with you. Admittedly people have had fun with some of your comments, but that's the internet and forums for you. Goes with the territory. Say something stupid or make a knee jerk statement that is proved wrong within hours and it will get jumped on and played with. You can't really complain when you moan about something in one breath and then in the next say.....

Then only one day later United sign Darmien, a much needed RB, and the current first choice for that position in the Italian Team, and less than 24 hours after that it appears United have signed Schweinsteiger too. It also looks like Schneiderlin could be on his way to United very soon as well, and that's not mentioning the Ottamendi rumours that still aren't going away.

So your whole argument is blown apart in less than 48 hours, and you then try to change it and dig yourself deeper instead of holding your hands up and admitting you are wrong. That would get you off the hook and you would stop getting stick instead of making it worse and making you look even more pessimistic and miserable. Everyone is wrong at one time or another, it's how you handle it that will determine how much it comes back to haunt you.

Quite simply, the transfer window has been open less than two weeks and United look to have secured their third player already. One very promising RB, a starter for his national side and for a very reasonable price. One extremely experienced and highly rated CDM that has played for LvG before, knows his philosophy inside out, and a man who has won nearly every major honour in football for his club and country including the Champions League and the World Cup. He also appears to be coming for a reasonable fee too. Finally, we have also signed one of the most promising and highly rated players in European football in Depay. He has also signed for a very reasonable fee and for reasonable wages.

Add to that, the clear-out has started with Falcao's immense wages off the books, Nani has gone, RvP looks to be off and so does Rafael too. It's obvious they won't be alone either.

On top of all that, United's much maligned (by yourself and many others) transfer policy appears to have evolved yet again from last Summer. It appears many deals are being conducted privately and not out in the open. A clear list of targets with first, second and even third choices have been sounded out and they are being ticked off one by one. Everything appears to being done in a sensible, respectful and responsible manner.

If all that wasn't enough, the way Woody, LvG and United on a whole are dealing with the De Gea situation is a breah of fresh air. Once again we are at least showing that we won't just bend over and let Madrid shaft us and we are making them sweat (and hopefully pay) for De Gea, while also showing the player the same.

So let's see.

Sensible transfer policy and selection of targets.
Reasonable fees paid so far
3 signings 1 confirmed, 2 all but confirmed. All 3 are in much needed positions and all 3 are improvements on what we already have.
Decent approach to releasing information regarding transfers
De Gea being handled as well as he handled the ball last year
Players leaving all as expected and massive wage bill reduction freeing up cash for others coming in
The players haven't even left to go on tour yet
It's only the second week in July
Still lot's of reason to think there will be more signings and departures

So all in all, forget is it too early to be getting worried now? let alone when this thread was made, the only real worries should be if the team settles and clicks next season. The only minor gripe I could have so far is that the fee's for Nani and RvP haven't been high enough, but just getting their wages off the books makes up for that in a way. That aside, I really cannot see why anyone would even for one minute be worried or even disappointed or upset. There really is sod all to complain or be pessimistic about. To be honest I think it's absolutely barmy for anyone to be anything other than extremely excited about it all at the moment.

Bring on the friendlies! I can't feckin wait! :D

Firstly, my sentiments were not knee jerk in the slightest. I was simply going on the information at the time as any of us here can do. What was the current situation? Lots of rumours, with little to nothing specific happening. I raised concern that if United happened to be slow moving in the market much like last summer it could have an effect on our start of the season. Which is a fair assumption. How is that knee jerk? Stupid? I personally believe it is neither.

Technically, Darmian still hasn't signed and neither has Schweinsteiger. Ok, Darmian is all but 99% a United player and my posts here were prior to last nights latest news of Schweinsteiger having agreed to sign. Besides, didn't I say...

Will we sign 2 or 3 more players? I think we will, but I do believe it will be August at this point

As it stands right now, seems Darmian is the only other addition with Depay. Both fantastic signings in key areas we need to strengthen :) Fabulous news isn't it? So actually, I got it spot on langer!

If Bastian signs he addresses some issues we have in our midfield. He would bring us incredible experience and composure to our midfield next season and the season after that. Sadly with his age, the increase in his injuries in recent years (wouldn't quite say he is injury prone but they are on the up) and the physicality of the premier league I do believe he is a stop gap signing and unless we also sign Schneiderlin along side him then I'm sure after the 16/17 season United will be looking for a replacement for him. I'm reading around here and else where since the Bastian news broke last night and it seems a very mixed opinion of the guy, its Experience that we desperately need vs ageing player who is going to cost us huge amounts in wages and could well struggle in a much faster paced and physical league then the one he is used to. I guess only time well tell won't it Langer? Don't be so knee jerk there now to auto assume he'll be a United legend ;)

If you could of been bothered to read back a page or two even on this very thread, you'd actually see I've nothing to apologise for in the slightest, I actually hit the nail on he head when I posted on this very thread, on June 24th!

If by July 10th, things are still as they are now then I'd suggest we should have reason to complain. Even that is 16 days away.

I'm like Nostradamus so I am! :) What do you know, July 10th arrives and as you say Depay has signed, Darmian is all but a done deal and hopefully we can get Schweinsteiger sorted next week and focus on getting Schneiderlin also later in the month or early August. But more importantly of all other signings as it stands right now, get us a new Forward. Sounds like I got it absolutely spot on!

What I posted the other night in the Darmian thread I believe to be acceptable and was fair game for discussion, no harm in querying it with other posters.

In recent days on this thread I suggested that if no business was completed by this weekend then it could have an adverse effect on the season ahead. Again, I don't see fault with it, sure didn't it happen this time twelve months ago? We failed to prepare ourselves adequately and the consequences of that saw us obtain 6 points from 12 in our opening 4 fixtures. I know LVG arrived late and he didn't get to judge his squad etc etc etc, I showed some concern because things seemed to drag a bit of late and whilst targets have been linked, its another thing to complete those transfers. They can be very tricky to complete.

Anway, our opening 4 fixtures for the 15/16 season are far more tricky than what we faced last time around, just for an example our results in the corresponding fixtures last season we only managed 7 points from 12.

  • Spurs H - Won
  • Villa A - Drew
  • Newastle H - Won
  • Swansea A - Lost

Ideally, with CL qualification out of the way with we should be focusing on a strong start so we don't lose pace on City, Chelsea & Arsenal.

With Depay, Darmian and hopefully Bastian we are now well on our way and can get the players settled into life in England, at the club and adapted to the PL.
 
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How can you ever argue with someone who is always right? And you can't fill a cup that is already full. My sincere apologies for not seeing that in fact you are right all along and that you have sufficiently covered your bases enough to claim you are right no matter what the outcome. I hope you enjoy basking in the glory of your correct predictions and that everyone who slighted you or mocked your posts all provide frank and sincere apologies and then all agree to bow to your superior foresight and infallible wisdom when it yet again turns out that you were right all along.

Have a nice weekend.
 
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Firstly, my sentiments were not knee jerk in the slightest. I was simply going on the information at the time as any of us here can do. What was the current situation? Lots of rumours, with little to nothing specific happening. I raised concern that if United happened to be slow moving in the market much like last summer it could have an effect on our start of the season. Which is a fair assumption. How is that knee jerk? Stupid? I personally believe it is neither.

Technically, Darmian still hasn't signed and neither has Schweinsteiger. Ok, Darmian is all but 99% a United player and my posts here were prior to last nights latest news of Schweinsteiger having agreed to sign. Besides, didn't I say...



As it stands right now, seems Darmian is the only other addition with Depay. Both fantastic signings in key areas we need to strengthen :) Fabulous news isn't it? So actually, I got it spot on langer!

If Bastian signs he addresses some issues we have in our midfield. He would bring us incredible experience and composure to our midfield next season and the season after that. Sadly with his age, the increase in his injuries in recent years (wouldn't quite say he is injury prone but they are on the up) and the physicality of the premier league I do believe he is a stop gap signing and unless we also sign Schneiderlin along side him then I'm sure after the 16/17 season United will be looking for a replacement for him. I'm reading around here and else where since the Bastian news broke last night and it seems a very mixed opinion of the guy, its Experience that we desperately need vs ageing player who is going to cost us huge amounts in wages and could well struggle in a much faster paced and physical league then the one he is used to. I guess only time well tell won't it Langer? Don't be so knee jerk there now to auto assume he'll be a United legend ;)

If you could of been bothered to read back a page or two even on this very thread, you'd actually see I've nothing to apologise for in the slightest, I actually hit the nail on he head when I posted on this very thread, on June 24th!



I'm like Nostradamus so I am! :) What do you know, July 10th arrives and as you say Depay has signed, Darmian is all but a done deal and hopefully we can get Schweinsteiger sorted next week and focus on getting Schneiderlin also later in the month or early August. But more importantly of all other signings as it stands right now, get us a new Forward. Sounds like I got it absolutely spot on!

What I posted the other night in the Darmian thread I believe to be acceptable and was fair game for discussion, no harm in querying it with other posters.

In recent days on this thread I suggested that if no business was completed by this weekend then it could have an adverse effect on the season ahead. Again, I don't see fault with it, sure didn't it happen this time twelve months ago? We failed to prepare ourselves adequately and the consequences of that saw us obtain 6 points from 12 in our opening 4 fixtures. I know LVG arrived late and he didn't get to judge his squad etc etc etc, I showed some concern because things seemed to drag a bit of late and whilst targets have been linked, its another thing to complete those transfers. They can be very tricky to complete.

Anway, our opening 4 fixtures for the 15/16 season are far more tricky than what we faced last time around, just for an example our results in the corresponding fixtures last season we only managed 7 points from 12.

  • Spurs H - Won
  • Villa A - Drew
  • Newastle H - Won
  • Swansea A - Lost

Ideally, with CL qualification out of the way with we should be focusing on a strong start so we don't lose pace on City, Chelsea & Arsenal.

With Depay, Darmian and hopefully Bastian we are now well on our way and can get the players settled into life in England, at the club and adapted to the PL.

So that wall of text can be summed up by "I'm always right, even when I'm wrong, I'm somehow actually right".
 
How can you ever argue with someone who is always right? And you can't fill a cup that is already full. My sincere apologies for not seeing that in fact you are right all along and that you have sufficiently covered your bases enough to claim you are right no matter what the outcome. I hope you enjoy basking in the glory of your correct predictions and that everyone who slighted you or mocked your posts all provide frank and sincere apologies and then all agree to bow to your superior foresight and infallible wisdom when it yet again turns out that you were right all along.

Have a nice weekend.

Ah bless, perfectly fine for you to be a smug and speak down to another poster and their opinions isn't it? God forbid I retorted and showed you the error of your ways on this particular occasion.

As you said originally its the nature of forums and internet today, it is to be expected.

Have a thoroughly enjoyable weekend langster.
 
He didn't actually predict anything though did he with that June 24th thing ? Just said if we don't have more signings by a certain date we have a right to complain. Becoming a pattern for him to say one thing then try to claim it actually means something else.


Plus that is not even the statement that people took the issue with the past few days, was it lol.

Imagine if he was a City fan and saw who they are reportedly taking on tour.

2015 transfer Muppet of the year nominee for sure.
 
My definition of Muppet must be different to yours @JustAFan. I usually find them good fun, enjoyable to read and completely over the top, brimming with almost contagious enthusiasm and expectation for even the most unrealistic signings. @Crackers is always good value at this time of the year.
 
Ah bless, perfectly fine for you to be a smug and speak down to another poster and their opinions isn't it? God forbid I retorted and showed you the error of your ways on this particular occasion.

As you said originally its the nature of forums and internet today, it is to be expected.

Have a thoroughly enjoyable weekend langster.

That massive post you made was chock-a-block with completely unjustified smugness!

It's always nice to see the pessimists among us proved wrong. You'd think the club was run by a bunch of hapless idiots the way some of our lot go on.
 
So far we have signed Depay,Darmian and Schweinsteiger with Schneiderlin,Otamendi (or another CB) and a striker on the cards....not good enough imo, we should be signing 9 world class players easily, sloppy from Woodward.
 
Where are the cry babies ?

Here's one.

Like most of the worry in my life, worry over this transfer window was wasted. I'm glad to say that. Things have turned around more quickly than I thought possible.

I like the approach of modestly priced, high quality signings of players who are ready to start. Despite Schweini's age, he is Van Gaal's boy and should offer the balance and quality we need RIGHT NOW.
 
If we get Schweinie I'm happy. I think Steiger, Carrick and Blind (when others injured) at mid anchor is very good. Steiger is a short term answer, though. Personally I would much rather us sign Schneiderlein than Schweinsteiger.

We could use an upgrade at center defense but I don't believe it is essential as I think Jones, Smalling, McShane, Rojo, Evans and maybe Blackett is pretty good.

My biggest concern now is the striker position. I'm skeptical about Rooney because of his age and inconsistency and just don't believe he can score 20 in the league anymore. We need a young good striker and Wilson did not do enough last year.
 
Im Relatively happy, Memphis and Darmian done, schweinsteiger on his way (apparently) that's wing, RB and CM filled.

Just need a striker, a CB and Schneiderlin (because he is still the perfect long term successes to carrick) and its happy days. Perfect window.
yep agreed

a top CB and a ST - and yeah Scneiderlin would be a bonus!
 
Edward Woodward the silent Assign. While the press are all writing about Colman and Schniderlin he slips in unseen and signs Matteo and Bastian.

Still hoping that we get Schniderlin and a CB(probably somebody that none of the press had noticed.)
 
That's a quick U-turn.

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Worried now. No exciting attacking players in the rumor mill. Rumors about guys nearing the end of their prime like Schweini and Ramos aren't exciting to me. These guys will help for a couple of years but offer no upside potential.

The problem of our last couple months of the season were in finishing. Our strike force looks aging/depleted. Falcao is gone, RvP appears to be past it due to injuries, Rooney is still capable but is a known quantity. That leaves our 2nd choice striker as Wilson? Unless we bring back Chicharito but again that has been tried before.

We need to get aggressive in the market and sign promising young attackers.

Still valid. Our top scorer got 12 goals last year. Unless we are looking for Depay to address that deficit, I don't see where our goals are coming from.
 
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Still valid. Our top scorer got 12 goals last year. Unless we are looking for Depay to address that deficit, I don't see where our goals are coming from.


In your own opinion, which strikers do you know we can get? Strikers is the most difficult position to fill and they are always expensive.
 
In your own opinion, which strikers do you know we can get? Strikers is the most difficult position to fill and they are always expensive.

Muller would certainly be interesting. But I agree that the market is scarce so we would have to break the bank for pretty much any top striker. But earlier in the summer names like Benzema, Cavani, Kane, Firmino and even Bale were being mentioned. Regardless of the merits of any of these moves, at least we're talking about guys that should be getting double-digit goal returns.

At the same time we're offloading RvP, Chicharito, Falcao, Nani and possibly even di Maria. Again maybe they're all duds but if we don't replace them with anybody it doesn't get us anywhere either.

Happy with Schweinsteiger, great player but he's a stop gap solution for an aging Carrick and we still have work to do to have a squad to challenge on domestic and continental fronts.
 
If we bring in Schneiderlin and another striker it will have been an almost perfect transfer window. The squad is really starting to take shape now.

I think we'll close the deal for Schneiderlin but probably won't get another centre forward since the market isn't there. And you never know, Wilson could have a breakthrough season.

Huh? Mate we are desperate for a CB!!
 
So far the transfer business is getting better and better, Depay, Darmian and Schweinsteiger signed so far, we still short on a few players still

Darmian strengthens the RB position,
Depay strengthens the wide/creative position,
Schweinsteiger strengthens the CM position

On the midfield? We still need another CM to really round off the midfield's depth. While Schweinsteiger on paper seems like a fantastic signing, his injury's could be a problem if they start to pop up, and with carrick at 33 who also picks up injury's, both carrick and Schweinsteiger could easily be on the treatment table, and we are back to square one. So it is important we sign another CM so we can cope with the injury's. But someone like morgan schneiderlin is a crucial midfield signing, taking us forward in the next few years to come. In schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and herrera here you have 3 midfielders with the tools at our disposal to really make a statement, and imagine how herrera would thrive when he has schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger in front of him

GK position is still a possible problem if DDG leaves

In defense, I think a stellar CB will give us what we need, smalling jones and evans will get injured. Darmian could have solved our right sided problem, but much like Schweinsteiger, another leader in the spine of the team will give us more focus, and more steel about the team. Another CB signing will also give us the depth so we can cope with the injury's

Upfront, while if we go with the current options of rooney, hernandez and wilson, it does seem a little light but it is settled we would not have rotate much. But? the midfield does have a few goalscorers, Schweinsteiger, mata, fellaini, herrera, depay and di maria could easily chip in with 7 or 8 goals each, so there are goals in the midfield to make up for the paper thin options upfront. A striker may have to be required, problem is, who is out there? But one injury to rooney, and we have a problem. Was letting falcao and RVP go so Sebastian could replace his wages? possibly, but a striker either this year or next year is the area that is becoming the bigger priority since last year

a GK if DDG leaves, a CB, CM and possibly a striker will round off the clubs transfer business has flawless, and will be by far the best summer business the club has done in a long time
 
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I'm only worried about the GK'ing situation and our lack of striker options at the moment, otherwise Woody has done really well. The other thing that worries me is the increasing number of players we have that are bloody difficult to spell. We'll have to create nicknames......
 
I'm only worried about the GK'ing situation and our lack of striker options at the moment, otherwise Woody has done really well. The other thing that worries me is the increasing number of players we have that are bloody difficult to spell. We'll have to create nicknames......

Well Schewiny and Schneidy would work, or Snide and Swine would work too. (if we do indeed sign Schneiderlin) if not, you could always just use their first names. Morgan and Bastien is a lot easier to spell. Saying that though, Schweinsteiger isn't that difficult to remember after typing it a couple of times.
 
I think the United team is beginning to take shape with the inclusion of Schweinsteiger. He's a massive upgrade compared to Blind as a holding midfielder.
With Van Persie going (probably) and Falcao gone, Di Maria can revert to his proper role as winger, and Rooney plays upfront.

Assuming De Gea will also leave, at the moment the team would probably line up.......

--------------------Valdes-----------------
----------------New Keeper
---------------
Darmian-----Smalling----Jones----Shaw
Valencia-----Evans-------Rojo-----Blind

Herrera-------Schweinstei-------Mata
Powell---------Carrick----------Fellaini

Depay-----------Rooney------Di Maria
Januzai---------Hernandez-----Young
-----------------Wilson---------Pereira


Rooney is not the prolific goal machine striker, but he allows DePay and Di Maria to drift in, and Herrera and Mata to come forward. I still see the partnership of Jones and Smalling to be a weakness, with Rojo not really improving things. We need another center-half. I also think that we need Schneiderlin to be used interchangeably with Schweinsteiger, and also partnering him when the need arises to go 4:4:2. Carrick also offers some cover while he winds down.

It's coming together nicely, with the prospect of more upgrades. Still wish we weren't selling Van Persie, cause I think he's an ideal player to have, and could still challenge Rooney for the main striker role.
Jones over Rojo?
 
The whole de gea saga will be going on until the end of the window I think it's one of those that'll be dragged out
Nah one way or another the DDG saga will be sorted out by the time we play the Champions League play-off. If he plays he's not going anywhere this year. If he doesn't play then he's on his way to RM. It's as simple as that.
 
Depay, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Di Maria, Falcao, Van Persie . . . Remember circa 2010/11 when people - including serious football journalists - were arguing United could no longer afford or attract big name players?
The truth is i think Most fans started to think we simply were incapable of signing world class players especially in the later part of Fergie's career. It all changed though when Van Persie choose us over City and it made most of Europe stand up and take notice that United where back in the game for big players.


Funny how you don't hear that City chant any more "you signed Phil Jones, we signed Kun Aguero".. United have blown City out of the transfer market in the last 3 seasons, which has resulted in your Scott Sincliars joining, £35 million for Malaga, £50 million for Sterling etc
 
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Still valid. Our top scorer got 12 goals last year. Unless we are looking for Depay to address that deficit, I don't see where our goals are coming from.

I've heard that one before ;)
 
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