Overall a very slow start to the window. Even De Gea is still with us.
Too early to be getting worried?
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How do you know we have not made progress?
We'll have wrapped up 4 transfer within the next two weeks. Mark my words.
I'm with you, I'm not worried in the slightest. The muppet in me is annoyed but that's about it.
When has anyone from United talked about getting business done early this summer? Any quotes or links of LVG or Woodward saying this?
We have signed Depay so have made in roads in this summer's transfer business.
LvG said it was our goal but he has been around a while and might know it is not just up to us right?
Hush you Memphis does not count anymore.
http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2...s-louis-van-gaal-wants-deals-concluded-early/
In this article LvG does say it is important to get done quickly but the quote ends with him only saying he HOPES we can get done quickly.
No ultimatum. No promise. Just a hope.
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Even though this is a negative post, I only took the positive that there's only 35 days until our first league game from it
Feels like this should be accompanied with some sort of punishment if it doesn't happen. Your tagline can't get any worse though so not sure what...
Agree 100%.
You have given hard facts and its staggering that this is continuing.
Is it possible that this is actually happening:
If we are paying over the odds (which we are), the question has to be, why does it take so long to buy the player?
If a buyer is willing to pay the higest price, the selling club should fall over themselves to get the deal done as early as possible, before MUFC withdraw interest
On one hand we have posters saying we are low balling on some of our targets and we should just pay what the selling club wants. On the other hand we have all the complaints about us always overpaying.
Can't please everyone that is for sure.
Can't please everyone that is for sure.
It's the same who are complaining both ways.
I think it's time we did start getting worried. I can understand the Ramos/De Gea saga dragging on, but that doesn't explain why we still haven't signed Schneiderlin or strengthened the right back position or talked about a backup striker. Some deals should have been quietly done by now.
Depay was a good buy, no doubt, though. And that did happen quietly. But we need more.
Depay was a good buy, no doubt, though. And that did happen quietly. But we need more.
It's too late to get worried.
Certainly hope not. If they are a public flogging is in order.
Just look carefully, some of the posters complaining about United overpaying and Woodward not being able to negotiate a bargain are the same complaining about the lack of arrivals before the preseason.
Do they not realize it or are they wumming?
Sometimes you are just driven by the muppet inside you.
I thought that too.
They should be punished more than .Rossi!
It's the Caf, come on you know us by now.
We will get our targets, hopefully by the time we fly out. Would of been nice to have had a couple in by now(Memphis aside)
No no
1 We should identify our targets in time and make a prioritzed list with alternatives on it
2 We should determine our budget and see how much we can/want to spend on each target given that budget and our own valuation of what that they player is worth in the current market
3 We should inquire how much the other club is looking for to let the player go
4 If that amount is lower than what we can/want to spend for that player we should just offer them what they are looking for (or close to it)
5 If that amount is more than what we can/want to spend on the player we should make them a take it or leave it offer that is the max amount we can/want to spend on the player
6 If the club rejects that take it or leave it offer than you move to the next target on your list
If you follow those 6 simple rules you should end up signing the players you need for decent price given the assumption that:
-You can prioritze the right targets (quality you need and realistcally available)
-You can properly value a player and determine how much you can and should spend on them
-You can negotiate well to find out the real amount a club is looking for to let a player go (they won't always tell you right away)
-You started preparations early and in time (done your homework)
-You know how to propspect the market to have a good idea what is out there
-You know what you need as a club
If other clubs manage to get good players on time and for good prices and you consistently end up either overpaying for players, end up with the wrong players or can't get your players on time because negotiations always seem to drag on for far too long you are doing one of those things wrong.
And if you compare us with other clubs:
-We pay a very high price for the quality we get
-We are amongst the slower clubs to wrap up deals
-We seem to end up alot of the time with the wrong players
In theory there is nothing wrong with us paying a high price for a player as long as we can afford it and believe the player is worth it. But if we are willing to pay that price we should on one hand be able to get deals way faster and way earlier and the concerned players should end up proving to be worth it.
Example:
We scout player X and determine he is target nr 1 for the summer
We value him a £30m given market circumstances
We end up signing the player but need 2 months of negotiating to get it done because we have made various offers of £20m, £25m £30m etc and all of them have been rejected and in the end up paying £40m for the player. We have done a very bad deal. We have overpaid £10m and wasted 2 months getting it done.
We should have informed about player X and learned that they were searching for more than £30m, if they reject that we should have focussed on another target.
Problem is United seem to not know exactly what they want, not sure they fully know what is really out there and who is realistic and who is not, not sure we can properly value our targets and stick with that valuation and we seem to be bad quite bad a negotiating because we never end up with what we wanted or either we end up paying too much or we get it far too late.
What's really funny is he thinks it is all so easy and he knows how it all works. Like LvG and company have no idea how to make a transfer, amazing we sign anyone. Though if he was in charge we probably would end up with out 10th choice or worse if any player or agent would even talk to him.That reminds me of Moyes times, i pad technology and white boards of his)
My guess (just a guess) is that we do have our list. Have scouted our players properly. Are working on the deals we want to make. Are working within our budget. Whether some forum posters whine about how much we pay or how long it takes doesn't matter.
It is possible that a top choice or two has been determined to be undoable and we have moved on.
It is possible every deal we want will not get done.
Again all just a guess.
The real world sucks don't it.
It is possible that a top choice or two has been determined to be undoable and we have moved on.
It is possible every deal we want will not get done.
Again all just a guess.
The real world sucks don't it.
To me that's a public coded message to Woodward to get the job done. Surely basic common sense dictates that getting new players in, where possible - given that the Copa America isn't finished yet - should be the number one priority if we're to hit the ground running when the league starts.
Mate I own a really good website, www.PeopleTalkingLikeExpertsOnThingsTheyKnowNothingAbout.com I think you'd fit right in. Want to do an essay on Brain Surgery next?
Lying just for effect? Tut tut!
Lying just for effect? Tut tut!
It's just the Registration fees I need to pay now. Don't worry your article "How to Pull Girls" will be up later today.
Poor behaviour. You'd do well to read and apply the "Rules to Remember" above the Reply box.
I will only panic if we do not sign the players we need by the time the window closes.
It would be ideal to have all the signings done by the beginning of preseason, but once you sign players you are stuck with them at least for a while. I would rather we get the best players we can get at the best prices to fill the gaps in our team rather than the most obtainable. Not having preseason with the correct signings, in my view, is better than a full preseason with the wrong players.
The window is open for two months for a reason: transfers can take time individually and even longer when chains occur. So I am hopeful we are working hard to get the deals done; early, if we can, but certainly before the window closes.
This is not to say I do not keep visiting the transfer forum to see who we have signed; and the last week or so have been a bit of an anticlimax for a muppet like me. But that's really a comment about me than how this window is going for us.
It would be ideal to have all the signings done by the beginning of preseason, but once you sign players you are stuck with them at least for a while. I would rather we get the best players we can get at the best prices to fill the gaps in our team rather than the most obtainable. Not having preseason with the correct signings, in my view, is better than a full preseason with the wrong players.
The window is open for two months for a reason: transfers can take time individually and even longer when chains occur. So I am hopeful we are working hard to get the deals done; early, if we can, but certainly before the window closes.
This is not to say I do not keep visiting the transfer forum to see who we have signed; and the last week or so have been a bit of an anticlimax for a muppet like me. But that's really a comment about me than how this window is going for us.
Looks like our targets are / were:
Right back: first choice Alves, second choice Clyne
CM: first Schweinsteiger, second Schneiderlein
CB: first choice was Ottamendi until Ramos became a possibility and now it is Ramos first and Ottamendi second
GK: not sure, probably Lloris first, don't know after that
Striker - no idea
Right back: first choice Alves, second choice Clyne
CM: first Schweinsteiger, second Schneiderlein
CB: first choice was Ottamendi until Ramos became a possibility and now it is Ramos first and Ottamendi second
GK: not sure, probably Lloris first, don't know after that
Striker - no idea
I never said that...
I said there are alot of other teams that are way better than us at doing transfers.
You can laugh all you want but it is just a fact. The things I wrote down are just common sense, I don't claim that United or LVG don't know this stuff, they will know it better than anyone here on the Caf and they will know it better than me but they are just not good at it or atleast not as good as other clubs.
Things like how to do transfers properly is not rocket science in theory but to pull it off in practice is hard especially in a very competitive environment. You need the best people, not only a trainer and manager but also a good scouting network, good negotiators, good relationships with other clubs and what I tried to say with that post is United doesn't have the best people for these things. Because if they did they would be far more succesfull in the transfermarket.
It is so easy to throw away all criticm aimed at United by using the same old arguments, they are more experienced than you so you should shut up about every aspect because you know nothing about it. Like people can't be critical at the government because they don't have experience being politicians, it is the easiest counter argumentation to use if you have nothing sensefull to say against the criticsm and it is also the most stupid argumentation.
My post was also aimed at the argumentation that certain posters say we waist time bargaining and the same people claim we end up overpaying. If you don't nuancate it is easy to say those people are contradicting themselves but they are not. The point is United are not the best in class to pull off transfers we waist time in negotiations especially when we try to bargain which never works because we never pull it off and the result is that we are often forced to end up overpaying for players or risk being left empty handed. The overpaying wouldn't be a problem if it were the right players but often they are not and it would be worth it if we'd get our players early and on time but we never do because we try the lowball approach until we realise it doesn't work.
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The optimist in me likes to think we will announce a signing today, Although i'm not holding my breath considering the way this window has shapen up for us so far.
If by this time next week we are no further on with any deals I will be seriously worried.
If by this time next week we are no further on with any deals I will be seriously worried.
If you believe the papers and Twitter, sure.
Oh, so all this time folks have been stating "hopes" as some kind of facts.
Honestly, everyone need to calm down. It will be nice to have them in before the tour, if not, it's ok. It's a long season. The current team plus depay will qualify for champions league and they will hit the ground running. What we should be more worried of is injuries, that was our biggest enemy last season not because we signed players late.
If Clyne was our choice, he will be here not Liverpool.
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