Too early to be getting worried?

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The tide is rolling in faster than we think. Opportunities are closing or already gone, our rivals are strengthening, and no resolution with De Gea in sight. Spending restrictions are now relaxed which will increase competition for top players and skew costs for incoming players higher and higher. We have not sold off anyone significant yet and the interest/fees for our players, is underwhelming. I'm still optimistic but the challenge is growing.
 
All 3 United said:
Not if it means paying silly amounts of money for players in their thirties.
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Why would that bother you if it means we're more succesful sooner than we would be otherwise?

As it stands, we really do need a quick fix to get us back our status as one of the most succesful clubs in Europe. That's a far better position to rebuild an empire than where we are right now.
 
sdb4884 said:
Going after the wrong targets again as usual. Mats Hummels, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Gareth Bale, Iklay Gundogdan, Sergio Ramos. All of whom never had any interest in joining us. Missing out on Clyne for a bargain price of 12.5m too is just unbelievable.
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Clyne? You must be joking? We are not after mediocre players. The players that Liverpool has bought to now, is all in the average category. Firmino has potential, but bigger clubs would have been after him if he was the next thing.
 
0161_UNITED said:
Fair play, but again I don't buy too much into the rumour mill. Could well be that none of these names are even on our radar. I'm as guilty as any of indulging in transfer gossip, but at the end of the day I acknowledge that it's possible we have no idea who the club are targeting. It also doesn't help matters, as much as some may want to paint United as paupers, or the ugliest girl in the bar, in reality United are one of the richest fellows in the bar, and glamourous to boot. We can't blame other clubs for realising that we have the cash to back up our preferences, and that they'll negotiate accordingly.
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I'm sure Ramos is on the radar, far too many rumours for it not to be true at this point. Can understand if the two Bayern players are too, what with LVG's history with them an all. The worry is they let the transfers drag out, we should be putting a deadline on these things and if they aren't interested then move on. We need to be aggressive in the market for big names.

I've a feeling things might start going amiss for us in the next week or two, genuinely thought we'd have at least 1 more player by now sorted out.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So you're saying he shouldn't be looking to achieve success in his short tenure?
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Well, that's a loaded question, Pogue. First, we assume it's actually a short tenure. Which if take LvG at his word it will be. But we also took SAF at his word. Second, signing up the likes of Ramos or Schwienstiger to massive multi-year contracts could leave many supporters feeling as disillusioned as they are with Nani or RvP now. Yet, would it be worth it for short term success? It's a tough call. Nobody complained about RvP's first season as I recall...
 
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Van Piorsing said:
Take it easy. We already got Pereira who's the hottest shit in Brazil when it comes to attacking teenage talents right now, Schneiderlin is about to join, already signed Memphis who'll provide goals from the wings plus free kicks and of course full two months for further shopping.

So far we've been nothing but carefully adding missing elements with surgical precision. Both Memphis and Schneiderlin are exactly what we need. That should give solid foundation to think that further deals will be executed in that vein.

We still didn't saw United's full financial firepower on the market, so far what you see is just a warm up yet we still managed to spend wisely. Reported fee for Schneiderlin is a good price for such crucial midfield figure.

As for the striker we will have to wait few weeks longer because the club surely won't conform to just going for the fast deal and signing players like Benteke or Lukaku.
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Maybe I'll laugh at the end of August when I look back on my concern. But damn...the latest I'm hearing is now about Thomas Muller! Ramos, Schweinsteiger and now Muller?! What is this 2006?!

There are certainly 2 camps forming here, one with the "keep calm, LvG and Woody got it" attitude, and others, like myself, that are seeing our rivals linked with and signing exciting players with their best years ahead of them. While we are looking at players almost 30 years old with inflated salaries and egos who have nothing to prove and are using us as a bargaining chip to get contract renewals. These are a bunch of Falcaos in the making!

How much longer of quiet activity until it turns out that the quiet activity is actually the lack of decisiveness and action?
 
LilRicky said:
I'm sure Ramos is on the radar, far too many rumours for it not to be true at this point. Can understand if the two Bayern players are too, what with LVG's history with them an all. The worry is they let the transfers drag out, we should be putting a deadline on these things and if they aren't interested then move on. We need to be aggressive in the market for big names.

I've a feeling things might start going amiss for us in the next week or two, genuinely thought we'd have at least 1 more player by now sorted out.
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I understand that outlook and can sympathize with that, I just don't feel the panic though. A player of the quality of Mueller, for example, doesn't need a U.S. Tour to gel. Just my opinion.
 
0161_UNITED said:
I understand that outlook and can sympathize with that, I just don't feel the panic though. A player of the quality of Mueller, for example, doesn't need a U.S. Tour to gel. Just my opinion.
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All players need time to gel, he's coming to a new country with a new home and his family have to settle. He needs time to adjust to the league and more importantly our football style, that should be the easiest you'd think.

Just look at the problems Di Maria faced last season. His personal life caused his game to drop off in the second half of the season. Many supporters often forget the personal lives of footballers and the effects it can have on their game.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Why would that bother you if it means we're more succesful sooner than we would be otherwise?

As it stands, we really do need a quick fix to get us back our status as one of the most succesful clubs in Europe. That's a far better position to rebuild an empire than where we are right now.
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One of my concerns is that we sign these players, who tend to take time to find their feet in the PL (so there would be no guarantee of imminent success), spend a fortune in doing so and then not have the money to buy younger players in a couple of seasons time.

There's also something great about watching a young player grow into becoming a fantastic United legend.

Plus at that age you will always feel that their allegiances would lie with a former club and they would never be a true red, for want of a better phrase. I don't think watching schweinsteiger lift a trophy would ever give me the same buzz as watching the likes of Giggs, scholes, Beckham, Neville or even,
Keane, RVP, Stam, schmeichel etc lifting a cup.....
 
LilRicky said:
All players need time to gel, he's coming to a new country with a new home and his family have to settle. He needs time to adjust to the league and more importantly our football style, that should be the easiest you'd think.

Just look at the problems Di Maria faced last season. His personal life caused his game to drop off in the second half of the season. Many supporters often forget the personal lives of footballers and the effects it can have on their game.
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That's a broad generalization though, mate, in my opinion. We can't judge every player against whatever is going on with Di Maria. He was excellent in his first few matches, mind. Some players take to the league like a duck to water, some take a few matches, some months, some take a season , and some never make the grade. That's the nature of the transfer market. We can throw a ton of names around for every category.
 
All 3 United said:
One of my concerns is that we sign these players, who tend to take time to find their feet in the PL (so there would be no guarantee of imminent success), spend a fortune in doing so and then not have the money to buy younger players in a couple of seasons time.

There's also something great about watching a young player grow into becoming a fantastic United legend.

Plus at that age you will always feel that their allegiances would lie with a former club and they would never be a true red, for want of a better phrase. I don't think watching schweinsteiger lift a trophy would ever give me the same buzz as watching the likes of Giggs, scholes, Beckham, Neville or even,
Keane, RVP, Stam, schmeichel etc lifting a cup.....
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I'm with you there but we don't have that much really top homegrown talent coming through right now, so we do need a quick fix, as unnatural as that feels.
 
All 3 United said:
One of my concerns is that we sign these players, who tend to take time to find their feet in the PL (so there would be no guarantee of imminent success), spend a fortune in doing so and then not have the money to buy younger players in a couple of seasons time.

There's also something great about watching a young player grow into becoming a fantastic United legend.

Plus at that age you will always feel that their allegiances would lie with a former club and they would never be a true red, for want of a better phrase. I don't think watching schweinsteiger lift a trophy would ever give me the same buzz as watching the likes of Giggs, scholes, Beckham, Neville or even,
Keane, RVP, Stam, schmeichel etc lifting a cup.....
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Keane, RvP and Stam were puchased. As were Ronaldo, Schmeichel, van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra, amongst others. The class of 92 mystique pervades far too much rational judgement, IMO. United has always supplemented homegrown talent with excellent transfer business. To feel that it somehow degrades the enjoyment of success is a personal issue.
 
Acquire Me said:
Clyne? You must be joking? We are not after mediocre players. The players that Liverpool has bought to now, is all in the average category. Firmino has potential, but bigger clubs would have been after him if he was the next thing.
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I don't get that opinion on Firmino. If that's the case why didn't Barcelona, Madrid / Munich want Depay? Other than PSG and Liverpool there was no other competitors.
 
0161_UNITED said:
Keane, RvP and Stam were puchased. As were Ronaldo, Schmeichel, van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra, amongst others. The class of 92 mystique pervades far too much rational judgement, IMO. United has always supplemented homegrown talent with excellent transfer business. To feel that it somehow degrades the enjoyment of success is a personal issue.
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That's why I listed Keane, RVP, Stam Schmeichel separately because they were purchased players but you felt that United was and still is 'their' club. Where as a player being signed for big bucks in their latter years, I'm not sure that will ever be the case....
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'm with you there but we don't have that much really top homegrown talent coming through right now, so we do need a quick fix, as unnatural as that feels.
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Why, on God's green Earth, should that feel unnatural? Why is everyone so fast to write off McNair? Or Blackett? Or any of the homegrown talent? It has always been a balancing act between supplementing the first team with superstar signings since the 80's, yet some want to feel this is a new phenomenon?
 
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All 3 United said:
That's why I listed Keane, RVP, Stam Schmeichel separately because they were purchased players but you felt that United was and still is 'their' club. Where as a player being signed for big bucks in their latter years, I'm not sure that will ever be the case....
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You mean the Peter Schmeichel, who himself, and whose son played for fecking City?

Or the Roy Keane who took his battle with SAF public? And continues to?

And Stam, who publicly published that United violated legal transfer rules for him?

Pick better examples.
 
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SammyUnited_83 said:
I don't get that opinion on Firmino. If that's the case why didn't Barcelona, Madrid / Munich want Depay? Other than PSG and Liverpool there was no other competitors.
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Not true, Marcel Brands just didn't want to name them. He said there were many more clubs interested, speculation suggested Bayern was one of them.
 
0161_UNITED said:
You mean the Peter Schmeichel, who himself, and whose son played for fecking City?

Or the Roy Keane who took his battle with SAF public? And continues to?

And Stam, who publicly published that United violated legal transfer rules for him?

Pick better examples.
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Come on I think we all know the above are still united fans deep down. Schmeichel even said so last time he was commentating. Stam never wanted to leave. Keane loves United but doesn't think too highly of Saf!
 
Darwin09 said:
Maybe I'll laugh at the end of August when I look back on my concern. But damn...the latest I'm hearing is now about Thomas Muller! Ramos, Schweinsteiger and now Muller?! What is this 2006?!
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Ramos is 29 and his experience is exactly what we need while currently our most experienced defender is Evans which sounds like a worst nightmare. Muller is 25 and he's overall a complete footballer, same goes to Schweini. Don't really care what year this is especially when you'll look at the German targets and how much professionalism they ooze in contrast to what we currently have in some areas.

Darwin09 said:
There are certainly 2 camps forming here, one with the "keep calm, LvG and Woody got it" attitude, and others, like myself, that are seeing our rivals linked with and signing exciting players with their best years ahead of them. While we are looking at players almost 30 years old with inflated salaries and egos who have nothing to prove and are using us as a bargaining chip to get contract renewals. These are a bunch of Falcaos in the making!
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"Keep calm, LvG and Woody got it" camp is the most rational group on this forum. It's 1st July and we already signed most exciting young winger in Europe plus we're one bid away from acquiring Schneiderlin who's got's Carrick's attributes and certainly is far from 'Falcao in the making'. We're not only after experience but as in your face evidence shows we're mostly about signing players in a progressive state. Last year we didn't sign even one player who was remotely close to being 30 years old.

Darwin09 said:
How much longer of quiet activity until it turns out that the quiet activity is actually the lack of decisiveness and action?
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... probably until we stop feeding mind with drama and fear porn that's mainly based on inaccurate journalism these days. It's also what lack of club football and overall boredom can do to anyone. Fully understandable.
 
Only saving grace is that none of the other clubs besides Liverpool haven't signed anybody yet.

Man City were due to spend big and haven't yet.
 
sunama said:
Its funny that some people on here are calling LFC's signings as mediocre.
Clyne - this is a guy who many fans coveted. They wanted him in our first team. They said we NEED this guy in our team. He signs for LFC and suddenly he is mediocre?
Have a read: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-desperately-need-a-right-back.399126/

Ferminho - I never liked this guy. But when there as talk of him joining us, again fans were very excited (check his transfer thread on this forum, you will see). He joins LFC and now he is mediocre?

I cant help but feel that some fans on here have sour grapes.
LFC are aggressive and dont seem to be taking no for an answer. They want to get their business done early and if a player is unattainable they turn their attention to another player, who they acquire quickly.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, we are not being as aggressive, despite us offering the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.

The other excuses I've seen are: It's June - we cant do business in June. And my favourite - Copa America tournament will prevent all transfers.
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I understand your frustration but would you be honestly happy with what Liverpool bought? They are Europa league signings, not title challenging signings. Fair play to Liverpool, they have been aggressive but I'd rather sign 4 world class players a loads of average ones. Players like Ings, Bogdan and even Clyne hardly terrify me. We need the right talent to come in, it's the 1st of July and there is plenty of time. We easily could have two new signings before the pre season tour, patience is needed in here. It's the media and tabloids that are driving people muppet crazy, it's the same every fecking year. I would rather United have made more signings by now but I know we have plenty of time to get it right.
 
NL Max said:
Not true, Marcel Brands just didn't want to name them. He said there were many more clubs interested, speculation suggested Bayern was one of them.
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He suggested other clubs were interested to get more money, speculation means nothing.

I don't think you can rate a player depending on who is after them, don't see many European power houses trying to sign Schneide yet we would be delighted to have him.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
He suggested other clubs were interested to get more money, speculation means nothing.

I don't think you can rate a player depending on who is after them, don't see many European power houses trying to sign Schneide yet we would be delighted to have him.
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No, Memphis and his agent had freedom to talk to clubs as they were told the price PSV would accept. Brands said he would complete a deal with whatever club Memphis would choose, Thijs Slegers knows some of the other interested clubs too but didn't want to name them either as they never got as far in the negotiations as LFC/PSG/MUFC. By being kind to our players and letting them go to clubs they want (not neccesarily earning the most) we keep some sort of attraction since our league is basically a kindergarten for footballers.

I agree with the second part though.
 
Liverpool are doing their thing. Clyne and firmino are signings that will improve them, benteke if it happens as well.

That being said I'm not desperate to sign either of those players, I just want us to be active.

All the april/may transfer talk is looking like hot air and we are getting bundled with players who's deal will take time to complete, i.e ramos.

Just signing schneiderlin would make me alot more confident but even that is lagging now.
 
LVG has brought the best out of players a lot of folks wanted rid of last summer i.e. Young, Fellaini and Valencia. He's also blooded some youngsters and taken the pressure off the likes of Wilson and Januzaj whose feet are being kept on the ground. If Hernandez and Nani came back I'm sure he'd rejuvenate those two and I'm also sure that ADM will have a much better second season- he seems to be doing OK for Argentina right now. If we don't make any big name signings maybe DDG will be seeing out his contract and, let's not forget, we will have a team that can start with the philosophy from the word go.
 
sunama said:
Its funny that some people on here are calling LFC's signings as mediocre.
Clyne - this is a guy who many fans coveted. They wanted him in our first team. They said we NEED this guy in our team. He signs for LFC and suddenly he is mediocre?
Have a read: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-desperately-need-a-right-back.399126/

Ferminho - I never liked this guy. But when there as talk of him joining us, again fans were very excited (check his transfer thread on this forum, you will see). He joins LFC and now he is mediocre?

I cant help but feel that some fans on here have sour grapes.
LFC are aggressive and dont seem to be taking no for an answer. They want to get their business done early and if a player is unattainable they turn their attention to another player, who they acquire quickly.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, we are not being as aggressive, despite us offering the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.

The other excuses I've seen are: It's June - we cant do business in June. And my favourite - Copa America tournament will prevent all transfers.
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Is it the same people who wanted them now calling them mediocre?
 
I can't honestly imagine how some of you live your life.

Worried because we haven't got any players in (apart from one who were all really excited about) before we've even gone on tour. "Windows are closing" "we've gone after too high profile players" "reminds me of Moyes"

Honestly can say if you're saying or believing any of that stuff you're an idiot.

Someone said earlier that if you look at how not to do transfers we'd be in 90% of the cases . Do people honestly believe the nonsense they spew?
 
sunama said:
Its funny that some people on here are calling LFC's signings as mediocre.
Clyne - this is a guy who many fans coveted. They wanted him in our first team. They said we NEED this guy in our team. He signs for LFC and suddenly he is mediocre?
Have a read: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-desperately-need-a-right-back.399126/

Ferminho - I never liked this guy. But when there as talk of him joining us, again fans were very excited (check his transfer thread on this forum, you will see). He joins LFC and now he is mediocre?

I cant help but feel that some fans on here have sour grapes.
LFC are aggressive and dont seem to be taking no for an answer. They want to get their business done early and if a player is unattainable they turn their attention to another player, who they acquire quickly.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, we are not being as aggressive, despite us offering the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.

The other excuses I've seen are: It's June - we cant do business in June. And my favourite - Copa America tournament will prevent all transfers.
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Ings and Gomez are meah, Firminio and clyne are good
 
Twigginater said:
I can't honestly imagine how some of you live your life.

Worried because we haven't got any players in (apart from one who were all really excited about) before we've even gone on tour. "Windows are closing" "we've gone after too high profile players" "reminds me of Moyes"

Honestly can say if you're saying or believing any of that stuff you're an idiot.

Someone said earlier that if you look at how not to do transfers we'd be in 90% of the cases . Do people honestly believe the nonsense they spew?
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Well said Twig I'd imagine we are going for players that there are more demand for. Not Clyne Firmino Ings etc if we wanted them they'd have signed. We need to be patient and not judge till the end of the window. If we end up with Morgan S, Depay and a defender of quality then that would be a solid window for us. 2 first 11 starters and a player of real potential.
 
0161_UNITED said:
Keane, RvP and Stam were puchased. As were Ronaldo, Schmeichel, van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra, amongst others. The class of 92 mystique pervades far too much rational judgement, IMO. United has always supplemented homegrown talent with excellent transfer business. To feel that it somehow degrades the enjoyment of success is a personal issue.
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You missed Carrick.
 
I hope Woodward doesn't waste too much time waving his dick at RM, and pointlessly chasing Schweinsteiger/Muller.
 
Twigginater said:
I can't honestly imagine how some of you live your life.

Worried because we haven't got any players in (apart from one who were all really excited about) before we've even gone on tour. "Windows are closing" "we've gone after too high profile players" "reminds me of Moyes"

Honestly can say if you're saying or believing any of that stuff you're an idiot.

Someone said earlier that if you look at how not to do transfers we'd be in 90% of the cases . Do people honestly believe the nonsense they spew?
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this, the deadline the club set is in 16 days. That's two bloody weeks away from now.
So at the moment i'm enjoying the sun.

I will get worried if we go on tour without new players, angry if we start the league with current players.
 
Sunny Jim said:
this, the deadline the club set is in 16 days. That's two bloody weeks away from now.
So at the moment i'm enjoying the sun.

I will get worried if we go on tour without new players, angry if we start the league with current players.
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All a bit late to get worried and angry right ?

If we don't get our players in before the 17th than it has been nothing short of a failure. The goal was clearly communicated to have most of the team sorted before we leave on pre season especially considering the fact we have CL play offs in augustus.

I'am worrying now for the fact we are not going to make that deadline and I'll be angry if we jet off with half a team to the US. Pre season has failed right there and then if that happens. I'll be furious if it would have an effect on our CL play off and I'll be beyond livid if we start the new season without the team sorted.

We really are in a position we can't feck about with these things anymore. We simply must play in the CL and contrary to many people believe that fact has not been realised just yet. And we simply must improve on our form from last season and show to the world United is still a topclub that can compete with Chelsea and City for the title. It will be very hard to do that if we don't have a proper preparation for the season and it will be near impossible to do it if we don't get the right players.

I think 2 weeks time considering the speed we conclude our deals is a very short time window to do our requirred business. Which makes it likley we'll not have our team sorted before the 17th, which means our pre season will be hamperred again which means a bad preparation for the new season and definitley for the CL play-off. I'd say people have every right to be worried about our situation right now.
 
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