Fair enough. What are the chances of procuring Kroos though? Or Kante for that matter? It certainly seems like an alternative muppet reality.
Toni Kroos
- Thread starter golden_blunder
- Start date
Carricks importance is always underrated in PL. Players like Carrick are hard to come by , so either we find the right replacement or as you said we need to find another way . Carricks positional sense, passing,reading etc comes occurs naturally to some players and some develop that with experience.
My muppet is just leave the mid as it is , get back to top 3 and go all out for Verrati :P and help them to buy pogba or whoever they want.
As an alternative we could get one of Tielemans/Neves this summer and mould them into that role. Neves seems to have all the attributes though but it will take time with these two guys.
Pretty low. It's as much an example as anything.
Kante might be attainable, though.
Scholes-esque in this game, the way he's controlling the pace of the match perfectly, passing and positioning is amazing as ever.
Would kill for him at United
Would kill for him at United
Let Pogba join Real, and get Kroos instead.
Pair him up with either Kante or Krychowiak.
This pairing will cost at most 3/4 of Pogba's transfer value, but you get a solid midfield.
A formation without Rooney
and if we get someone like Bonucci...
Pair him up with either Kante or Krychowiak.
This pairing will cost at most 3/4 of Pogba's transfer value, but you get a solid midfield.
A formation without Rooney
and if we get someone like Bonucci...
Let Pogba join Real, and get Kroos instead.
Pair him up with either Kante or Krychowiak.
This pairing will cost at most 3/4 of Pogba's transfer value, but you get a solid midfield.
A formation without Rooney
and if we get someone like Bonucci...
Its only a formation without Rooney because you shoehorned rashford onto the right wing....
Miki plays there, rooney at 10. Its far more likely with the players you've put in than rashford at rw, not a very jose thing to do.
If RM are stupid enough to sell him I think Bayern will gladly take him back.
He's not going anywhere.
I'd happily swap him for Martinez or Thiago.
As someone who followed both Bayern and Real quite closely for some time now (the latter probably not as close as you, of course), I don't think that would be a good idea.
He just doesn't look happy and never seems to have properly settled in with us. If Thiago could stay injury free, I'd fecking love him at Madrid. Martinez.. well maybe you're right as I haven't seen him play in a while.
Real's midfield (in connection with BBC) is such a complicated issue. I definitely love to discuss this (one of the reasons why I joined the Caf), but I'm not sure where to begin to be honest.
So maybe I'll start with a question: Do you feel this way because you see Javi as a defensive midfielder, Thiago as an offensive CM and Kroos as neither?
You managers always tend to miss use him for some reason they all thought he was a 1 for 1 replacement of Alonso which he is not. He need a hard working midfielder next to him, which in recent time Zidane discovered as well putting Casemiro into that position. Another thing is that Modric probably isn't the ideal partner as he wants the ball just as much as Kroos and there are currently two directors in your midfield which might work in some circumstance but I don't feel it does with those two.
I still think since Xavi and Pirlo have basically retired Kroos is the best midfield director in today's game if you really give him that role and don't try to make him do too many other tasks at that.
I think an isolated view of Real's midfield is missing some crucial points, because it doesn't factor in their role in supporting the constant imbalance caused by the BBC attack. Almost everything that goes on in that midfield (player selection, their respective roles and their interaction) has something to do with balancing out that imbalance.
In my view the limitations in using Kroos' full potential have much more to do with that than with Modric. These two players have worked together exceptionally well, given the complicated circumstances.
It's a Galáctico-supporting midfield after all, probably the most difficult job in football.
Basically, yes. I think we need a proper DM and I'm not convinced about Casemiro either, maybe next to someone like Martinez Kroos would actually look better. Who knows. I'm probably not making much sense though. As for Thiago, I always liked flashy players like him or Isco in midfield.
Dunno, maybe I'm not appreciative enough of Kroos because of his playstyle. I'm not the best at telling what actually happens on the pitch tbh (player roles, tactics, etc..) Like I just said above, it might just be because I prefer watching more technically gifted players in midfield than hard workers.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Kroos is a bad player at all though, it just looks like he's not the best fit for us to me, that's all I'm saying.
Well I think the thing that went wrong the most for Real was to expect Kroos to shield the defense like Alonso did when he is the only defensive midfielder in their 4-3-3. For the problem with this approach lies in the fact that Kroos defensively just isn't good enough, so playing him in that role is rather dangerous. I had the feeling that Real only really got stability back once they added Casemiro to do the defensive foot work in midfield.
I get what you are saying and I have to agree that Kroos never really looked at his best at Real apart from a couple of games but like I said above I think it's because he wasn't comfortable with being the only defensive midfielder in that team which isn't really his strong suite. When Zidane started to play Casemiro regularly I felt not only did your team look much more stable again but also Kroos seemed more at ease.
Passes with both feet, passing range on the floor and in the air is immense, can shoot with both feet and scores goals from outside the box with both feet, takes free kicks. How more technically gifted can he be?
While from a certain point of view this is obviously correct (though I don't agree that there's that much between Xabi and Kroos defensively), I think the Casemiro effect is a bit overrated. It worked as a makeshift solution (therefore being justified of course), but it hampered Real's offensive play and forced even more workload on Modric and Kroos in that respect. One problem was partly solved, but as a consequence another one immediately got worse.
I think with Real's current Galáctico-football setup you can always move the point of imbalance from offense to defense, but you can never really solve the fundamental problem. Which is a shame, because I think with some tweaks and changes this could be the undisputed best team in the world, playing the most beautiful football.
(That's maybe still a bit abstract, but I don't have time to make my point in more detail now. I'll come back to this.)
This is just my own take, but it's my impression that for most Latins, dribbling is considered the single greatest manifestations of a players technique. If you're not taking people on on a regular basis, your technical ability is not as highly rated.
He's from North Germany. They are incapable of showing emotion. Wouldn't read too much into that.
It's basically Southern Sweden. We're a happy bunch!
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/06/real-...ses-to-rule-out-manchester-city-move-5990426/
would be a shambles if they managed to get him. would feck our chances of pogba, and they would have one of the best mids in the Premier league
would be a shambles if they managed to get him. would feck our chances of pogba, and they would have one of the best mids in the Premier league
He would be the best midfielder in the prem. It shouldn't happen. We should sign him instead. I would think mourinho would go after him as a carrick replacement and all but oh well.
Well hopefully we go for him if Madrid do buy Pogba.
If Real get Pogba , there is a fair chance that Kroos will goto city with Pep and all. That's why we need to get Pogba first else take the chance of missing out on both.
I'm pretty sure that if Real sign Pogba they line up like this:
Pogba--------------------Modric
-------------Kroos
Which will be the best and most balanced midfield in the world. So Kroos will probably not be available for United or City.
Pogba--------------------Modric
-------------Kroos
Which will be the best and most balanced midfield in the world. So Kroos will probably not be available for United or City.
In what way is that balanced? There's no defensive minded CM in that formation.
That's not even a remotely balanced midfield.
Firstly Kroos isnt a CDM. Secondly that would leave James, Isco, Kovacic, Lucas and Casemeiro on the bench.
i agree that's not a good formation but surely one of James/Isco are goners
James as long as the price is right.
Because you don't necessarily need a defensive specialist in a formation with three versatile, intelligent world class players. It's a matter of fine tuning of collective defensive work.
Kroos plays a clear DM role in Germany's team, do they look unbalanced so far?
Agree. They will leak goals to no end if Kroos is the most defensive player in that midfield.
You can't seriously watch the same game? Why do Germany have to use Khedira? Barcelona had a field day in Bernabeu this season with this kind of collective defensive work.
Like Germany in this EURO tournament?
The only good team we faced so far was Italy and Kroos had 3 centerbacks behind him and Schweinsteiger next to him.
He's a box to box midfielder and plays a higher, more offensive role than Kroos.
Give me a break with this definition of box to box and offensive role.
His role is putting energy and covering the space for Kroos lack of defensive aggression.
And what @Balu said.
Which would be the task for Pogba (similar to Di María in 2014/15), who is the missing link for a setup like this. Modric is also a very agile & intelligent defender. Kroos covers a lot of space too, with intelligent positioning and he improved his defensive workrate a lot in his time at Real.