Liver_bird
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This age of social media really is a joke. Completely unregulated shite reaching thousands and unfortunately the damage is already done.
Most of footballers are morons. People need to understant that Kroos opinion is not opinion of most Germans. And his word probably got twisted for clicks.
It usally like that, one man say something and they label his all family+country+continent like that...People love controversy nowadays.I’m pretty sure everyone understands that?
Man voices his opinion. When asked why, he elaborates as to why he believes that in the most polite way possible.
Ragecafe - OMG, he racist. He stoopid. How dare he.
Man voices his opinion. When asked why, he elaborates as to why he believes that in the most polite way possible.
Ragecafe - OMG, he racist. He stoopid. How dare he.
I thought we live in a civilized western society where discussing different controversial topics is part of of norm, or am I missing something?
Quote the people who are saying that. Or if you are too scared to call them out, how many people on this website are doing that?
I hope not. Those are disgustingly racist comments.
"Ich höre, Sie sind jetzt ein Rassist, Toni."
Most of footballers are morons. People need to understant that Kroos opinion is not opinion of most Germans. And his word probably got twisted for clicks.
The second is a reference to a scene from Father Ted.Did you even read the posts you quoted?
The first one says he hopes they're not real. The third one says his words were probably twisted.
As for the second one, feck knows but that's one.
The far-right is on the rise because people understand that there is a problem, but are misdiagnosing what’s causing it. They want simple solutions to complex problems.He is just saying what the majority think, but dont want to say. Otherwise, the far right would not be on the rise.
The “softer” translation that everyone is trying to use to defend him doesn’t read much better than the original “misinterpreted” translation.
Why are people trying to cover this up? He’s hardly the first footballer to have questionable/idiotic/ignorant views.
Maybe it’s because some people agree with him?
You're clutching at straws there mate. Oh, it's not what they said. You know, Kroos also said that he is not against migration, but specifically mass migration. And yet people didn't have any issue laying into him.Did you even read the posts you quoted?
The first one says he hopes they're not real. The third one says his words were probably twisted.
As for the second one, feck knows but that's one.
Out of curiosity, what do you think is causing the issue that the far-right aren't seeing?The far-right is on the rise because people understand that there is a problem, but are misdiagnosing what’s causing it. They want simple solutions to complex problems.
Capitalism. Billionaires. Neoliberalism. Politicians who are serving the 1%.Out of curiosity, what do you think is causing the issue that the far-right aren't seeing?
You're clutching at straws there mate. Oh, it's not what they said. You know, Kroos also said that he is not against migration, but specifically mass migration. And yet people didn't have any issue laying into him.
Regardless of how the whole fake quotes thing, why do people care what a footballer, who has lived in a gated community in Spain for the past 10 years, feels about life in Germany? What does he know about going out at 11 PM in a German city?
Capitalism. Billionaires. Neoliberalism. Politicians who are serving the 1%.
It's funny when it's Kroos, a white person, supposedly, peddling right wing talking points it's 'why do we care what a footballer is saying' but when it was Gundogan and Ozil just taking a picture with Erdogan it became a massive scandal where both players should apologize for the picture or be sacked from the team.
Wouldn't surprise me, even if those quotes are a bit of a misrepresentation, if Kroos has those feelings given how he completely dismissed Ozil when Ozil talked about the racism he felt in Germany following that Erdogan incident and the lack of support within the DFB.
I assume you are German? I don't think you do a good job of representing his statements correctly here. He is NOT criticizing migration as a thing in itself - in his opinion it is the way it has been handled since 2015, that is problematic. And there are a lot of reasonable people who would share this opinion. You aren't against football when you say you don't want to play football 24 hours a day. I think the general level of debate would improve when such simplifications would just stop. No doubt, it happens on all sides of the table but it isn't going away when everybody considers themselves as "better informed" or "more moral". Talking about such statements as racism is only de-valueing racism as a weirdly still existing problem.Just listened to that podcast and while those quotes certainly embellish what he said by rearranging his words, they're unfortunately not way off.
He essentially says that he may not live in Germany but hears a lot from his family and then starts with a "I don't wanna sound racist but..." type preface (he literally says "how do I put this without being put in a certain corner...") and then comes off with some vague rant about how he wouldn't feel great if his daughter went out in a German city, without elaborating why. His host then doesn't ask for clarification but immediately agrees and then there's a bunch of ambiguous statements about how Germany is still great but things have gone the wrong way until they end up mentioning immigration as some kind of culprit. And then they try to backpedal by mentioning how important immigration actually is..
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt it's a very poorly worded attempt at discussing the drawbacks that come with immigration but since they don't offer anything but platitudes it comes off as very ignorant.
Or when Mbappe voiced his statement about voting 1 or 2 weeks ago. The level of debate is pretty problematic in itself - echo chambers only reinforcing those things so loudly until members become incapable of differentiating between facts and opinions.It's funny when it's Kroos, a white person, supposedly, peddling right wing talking points it's 'why do we care what a footballer is saying' but when it was Gundogan and Ozil just taking a picture with Erdogan it became a massive scandal where both players should apologize for the picture or be sacked from the team.
He is NOT criticizing migration as a thing in itself - in his opinion it is the way it has been handled since 2015, that is problematic. And there are a lot of reasonable people who would share this opinion. You aren't against football when you say you don't want to play football 24 hours a day. I think the general level of debate would improve when such simplifications would just stop.
Are you sure, you want this to be your takeaway?I think the level of debate would also improve if one didn’t compare the situation where millions of people have to flee due to complicated circumstances to a football being discriminated by someone not wanting to play with it 24 hours a day.
Capitalism. Billionaires. Neoliberalism. Politicians who are serving the 1%.
Freundschaft, Genossen!Thanks, fully on point. Especially the billionaire and serving the 1% part
I’ve not heard his podcast - it’s probably in German for a start but I have heard numerous of his comments over the years and he reminds me a bit of Scholes in that he has very low tolerance for anything you might consider flash or flamboyant and like you said he comes across as a bit of a boomer because of it. Sort of guy in his late 20s who was desparing of how people 6 or 7 years younger act and couldn’t relate.Meh, he's obviously deliberately quoted in a way by right wing outlets but the statements itself are trash anyway.
But anyone who has listened to his podcast shouldn't be surprised, he's basically a moderately liberal conservative boomer already.
Either way funny that anyone would put any value to the "sense of security" in Germany of a millionaire living in a compound in Madrid.
Does anyone know if these quotes are real?
Why the feck was he talking about a topic he clearly doesn't understand or know at all in the first place....
Really really bad look -.-
Explain those nuances thenProceeds to judge the nuances of speech in a German podcast.
Explain those nuances then
It was just an inside joke for his close friends who were listening the podcast. He has nothing but respect for immigrants in Germany.
Sure, why not. Anyways, so you're saying Kroos comes across as somebody informed, who both knows and understands the situation beyond the barest, most superficial level, expressing coeherent opininions instead of parroting popular right wing talking points and qualifying them with platitudes to make separate them from being right wing rhetoric? Is that it?It's at least like 10 minutes of conversation with the political and and societal situation in Germany as context.
You want me to explain all that to you?