mail reporting 20m deal, no chance haha.
Toni Kroos | Madridista
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
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I've been following him for two years now on Twitter, I simply can't agree... but let's leave it at that
Are clubs able to sign players right now, or is the transfer window shut until *whatever date it opens* (July, perhaps)?
Yes, but I think they can't register them until the window opens. I could be wrong though.
If he cant get the contract he's after or if Bayern dont think he's worth what he demands then I can't see any alternative to him leaving. They're not going to let him go on a free and he'd have to have a hell of a season to make them change their minds that he is worth in the coming season what they don't think he's worth now. And if Munich allow it to roll into the final year and begin negotiating terms again they'll know he'll be getting offers WAY in excess of perhaps what even we'reoffering him now as clubs will be able to write-off any transfer fee.
Bayern's options are either give in to his demands now or sell him now, really.
Bayern's options are either give in to his demands now or sell him now, really.
As a local I'm reassured by LVGs track record in working with youth. That's also part of the reason he was given the job - to build from within in the United tradition and very much in keeping with our "identity". But we're seeing a radical overhaul of the culture of this club and the first team and there is room aplenty for the likes of Kroos, Hummels, Robben, Muller, Reus, Strootman or whoever else he fancies to come in and be part of that. The era of the class of '92 is, now that Giggs has gone, offically over.
You're right. You can sign them now but they won't come until July 1st, when the window opens for European clubs.
Cheers, all. So, we could announce signings now then?
So, we could announce signings now then?Seems like Bayern are unwilling to give Kroos parity with the top earners at the club so the question is will they offload him now for 30-40 million or keep him for one season then lose him for free next summer.
Cheers, all.
We announced Nani and Anderson in May.
Ta.
...let's hope it's june then
I couldn't give two figs about having a British/English/whatever contingent in our squad. It's nationalistic, antiquated bollocks. If they're good enough, fine, but we shouldn't be shoehorning shite English players in for the sake of something so parochial as tradition. The here and now is the only thing that matters.
I'd agree to an extent but I think it's important to keep an element of home-grown players in any squad. Can we name any of the great teams of the past that didn't have a solid grounding in home grown players?
Thats the past. How many great English players were in Citys team this year?
Completely agree, not only that but if we want to copete at the top then forget about promoting players from within without having the cream of the crop to allow them to break through. One supports the other. We cant simply throw James Wilson and Tom Lawrence in and expect the class of 92. That idea was incredible at the time and a legendary situation where everything clicked in the right way. It simply wont ever happen again, just like we wont see another Fergie again.
The Invincibles? Citys title team of 3 years ago.....
That's more worrying than positive IMO. We're not likely to get a free run at him as we did with RVP and Mata. Unless we have indeed been working on this for months, going as far back as when Mata said that he's confident that we're signing some top players in one of his first interviews.
By all means, if they've got the goods I'd be more than happy to see home-grown players in the team. I just don't want to seem them in the team for the sake of tradition.
To an extent I agree, however I think you might actually be highlighting one of City's main problems and why they limped to the title this year instead of walking it like they should have.
Was an example replying to another post, im not convinced we'll get Cesc anyway. So swap Cesc and Kroos and add Mata as the more advanced midfield. Sorted hahaha
This has been going on since December, in fact there was talk of us signing Kroos in the January window for £25m. Not to mention the various sightings of Moyes watching Bayern and being seen with Kroos's agent. Either Kroos is using us to get a pay rise or we're signing him, the papers are most certainly not making this up.
It's not really an issue either because teams don't start their pre-season until July, so he won't miss any games.
But I don't expect half of them to be there in two years time.
Limping or walking it could also be down to being managed by PL novices in many regards......English players or home grown players would have them not winning the league!!
This whole 'transfer window' thing is a bit of a nonsense really, as negotiations & deals are routinely done outside the 'window'. The only time it makes any difference is when it finishes & players must be registered by the end date, however some teams still manage to complete deals after the closing date, for some reason.
At the risk of derailing what is shaping up to be the mega muppet thread of the summer, I think having an English/British core is what sets the club apart from the rest. This is why Van Gaal's youth policy is the most appealing side of his management style for me.
Its also reported the deal was done when Moyes was still in charge and the reports at that time if I remember correctly was 250k wages. Not sure if its € or £ but that sure as hell is a lot of money for a man who's never step foot in the PL.
half of who? Half of the current team? Yes they'll be replaced if anything with better models.
But he has completely dominated players who have with ease......and its still played on grass.
So where's the link with the fans? Have some players for couple of years, buy new ones. Seems horrible. There needs to be some kind of at least familiarity otherwise we're just spoiled rich girl who wants a new horse every month.
Like it or not fans do build up an affinity/raport with players. No fan I know would be happy to change half their squad for a 'better model' every couple of years.
Hardly. I don't see the inclusion of Richards and Boyata propelling City to great heights, do you?
The point is: If your home-grown players are good enough - Scholes, Giggs, Beckham etc - then you use them. It's when you start persisting with players of Cleverley's calibre for the sake of tradition, or even sentiment, that a team comes unstuck.
Welcome to the new face of football which has been emerging across England and Europe for many years.
The games they lost we're mostly the unglamorous games where the grit of the english/homegrown players can help. Of course you need to have the talented ones though and not the dross. I never condone dross, but at the same time rainy day away at Palace, some of those WC foreigners will just not be up for it.
Infact there has been plenty of times that Milner has come off the bench in those situations for City and won them points with his display and grit.
One of the reasons I think United we're always so Successful was because we managed to marriage the two together
Which explains why there are hardly any Italians in the Juventus side, Germans in Bayern's, Spanish in Barcelona's and...oh wait, it doesn't. What new face are you welcoming me to again?
250k a week is a ludicrous wage for Kroos. He's nowhere near that level. It's the sort of wage you'd expect to be paying a peak-level Xavi or Iniesta.
Erm the games they lost were down to a English clown in goal and their centre back partnership.
No I don't however I do see James Milner coming off the bench in away games against lower opposition when certain players are just not working hard enough and him winning them points. I think you need some of that grit that some of these WC foreign players just do not have. Something Mou eluded to about his current Chelsea team (although it's not really a British thing, however I think its a trait most seen in British players)
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