Agreed.
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Agreed.
You're right, apologies.I just woke up a few minutes ago, my brain is not fully functioning yet.
He's not that slow, but he's a bit causal, in a Yaya Toure sort of way. He's got very good speed of thought though, like you said.
He'd definitely need an energetic, ground-covering partner to win the 50-50s. Nobody he have can do that currently, so we'd need someone else.
A lot depends on whether we go 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 (which would suit him more).
He's similar to Scholes in terms of his positioning and choice of pass, but Scholes was urgent when he needed to be, so hopefully he Kroos adapts to the faster pace.
So after reading pages and pages on Kroos, am I correct in my assessment; those of us who don't live in Germany think he is the best thing since sliced bread and those who live in German thinks he is way over-rated?
I just think most fans want to see British players at their club or they really lose touch with match going fans. Looking around other top clubs you very rarely see a complete lack of players from that country so it clearly helps too. I don't buy the argument that there aren't enough good ones - Liverpool gave chances to some who were written off by most and they proved them wrong. We've always had a strong tradition of doing it and it's served us well.
City are the most expensively assembled side in the history of sport, but they've scraped both titles despite, on paper, having a squad that eclipses all competition by some distance. I'd absolutely hate it if we splashed cash about the place, brought in loads of foreign stars, forced out the English lads and ended up with only one or two in the side like City do. Barry and Milner get stick but personally I think the old title side had much more balance with them playing regularly, just a significantly worse manager. Look at Spurs, they spent 120m on a load of foreigners, forced out the English lads and are probably a weaker side now as a result.
Teams are more than just a sum of their parts and I think it's of great benefit to have some local lads around, with top talent from elsewhere in Britain and Ireland forming the core of the side. Top foreign talent fills the gaps and add a bit of magic.
Our best two sides in 99 (Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Neville, Neville, Irwin, Cole, Butt) and 08 (Rio, Rooney, Brown, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Giggs, Rooney) were built on a solid core of academy players and top British and Irish talent. Likewise we see the same at the two best European sides of recent years - Barcelona 09-11 (Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Villa and Messi (academy)) and Bayern 12-14 (Neuer, Alaba(academy), Boateng, Badstuber, Lahm, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Muller). Again, with all these sides, there were massive contributions from expensive imports, but the core remains home grown. I'm not saying we shouldn't sign foreign talent, I'm just saying we shouldn't force out the local lads by investing so heavily in it.
Filling teams primarily with foreign talent isn't, nor ever had been, a route to consistent success. I'd rather wait a few years to build a side, develop players and wait for other talent to emerge than break decades of tradition to improve the team short term.
City are the most expensively assembled side in the history of sport, but they've scraped both titles despite, on paper, having a squad that eclipses all competition by some distance. I'd absolutely hate it if we splashed cash about the place, brought in loads of foreign stars, forced out the English lads and ended up with only one or two in the side like City do. Barry and Milner get stick but personally I think the old title side had much more balance with them playing regularly, just a significantly worse manager. Look at Spurs, they spent 120m on a load of foreigners, forced out the English lads and are probably a weaker side now as a result.
Teams are more than just a sum of their parts and I think it's of great benefit to have some local lads around, with top talent from elsewhere in Britain and Ireland forming the core of the side. Top foreign talent fills the gaps and add a bit of magic.
Our best two sides in 99 (Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Neville, Neville, Irwin, Cole, Butt) and 08 (Rio, Rooney, Brown, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Giggs, Rooney) were built on a solid core of academy players and top British and Irish talent. Likewise we see the same at the two best European sides of recent years - Barcelona 09-11 (Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Villa and Messi (academy)) and Bayern 12-14 (Neuer, Alaba(academy), Boateng, Badstuber, Lahm, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Muller). Again, with all these sides, there were massive contributions from expensive imports, but the core remains home grown. I'm not saying we shouldn't sign foreign talent, I'm just saying we shouldn't force out the local lads by investing so heavily in it.
Filling teams primarily with foreign talent isn't, nor ever had been, a route to consistent success. I'd rather wait a few years to build a side, develop players and wait for other talent to emerge than break decades of tradition to improve the team short term.
That does seem to be the consensus.
Reflects a lot of my thoughts.
No, they dig in stories from the papers and try to get them confirmed with their own sources, not unlike the BBC. It's a parasitic way of doing it but when they put their 'sources' behind it, it's usually very reliable.
Yeah, as a foreigner I've always perceived SSN to be the dog's bollocks. Everytime I see something on there, I start believing. Usually they don't post shit that isn't confirmed or official.
They've been running the daily mail Kroos for 20mil as their main headline for the morning. Now it's Lennon
One of sky sources is Balague .
You guys seem to have forgotten the Hererra deal, where apparently Sky said we going to sign him all day.
You guys seem to have forgotten the Hererra deal, where apparently Sky said we going to sign him all day.
Haha last summer has left many scars....
Who wrote the article in the Dailymail on Kroos?
Agreed. SSN also have a "transfer section" which is equally unreliable.
I disagree about Herrera, I do think we were in for him, but Woodward fecked it up.
The only one I see is the one with Scholes urging us to sign Kroos.
The Beeb should probably be in another tier above the Guardian etc. They're very, very careful. All of the other three in that group reported us as being 'close to' Thiago but the BBC website didn't
I agree with @Plugsy Nationality doesn't matter but you need a core of players who buy into everything about the club for it to be a long term success.
BBC are the best IMO. Once something is up there, you know it's happening.
I'd say they are more reliable than even manutd.com
Just this week we announced we have signed a player, and his agent went on to say that we infact hadn't/
Is Kroos any good? I watched him against us in the Champs league and he didn't impress me at all, i appreciate it was only a couple of matches albeit most of it was from a sub, however with Scholes comments earlier it made me think he may be quite good but then why haven't Bayern offered him an improved contract.
This guy "Official_Agent" just tweeted he is off to Carrington. How real is he?
Rooney, Mata, RvP... Kroos.
Our set piece options would be even more ridiculous
Our set piece options would be even more ridiculous
Re Adnan - You would think we learned from the Pogba situation...
As real as Santa Claus
Please don't believe a word he says. He claims to have made 110 correct predictions and 12 wrong, when I saw him make 3 wrong ones in 3 days in JanuaryThat's the strange thing. I can't understand the Bayern board, who can offer any player what he wants, not wanting to offer Kroos an improved contract. Not saying he's not good enough, but surely, that's strange enough to think so.
They have a wage structure and stick to it. They didn't keep Ballack who was their star player at the time because they don't want to break their wage structure.
Less. Kids come out of the womb knowing that "Official_Agent" is bullshit.
Yeah, I guessed he is a fake but the supposed trip to Carrington got my attention. Might get a pic or 2. Yeah, yeah...no
Where did i come out of, then? You got me curious. Need to call my mom
As reliable as a chocolate fireguard, just like most people on Twitter.
This is the equivalent of us regular blokes popping to the shop to get a cornetto.
Nobody is at Carrington. All the players are on international leave, the manager is in Portugal with the Dutch squad and Ed Woodward is based in London. Even if Woody was in Manchester he'd be likely to be at Old Trafford where he has an office and not Carrington - where he doesn't.
It's indykaila.
Ahh Gambit. I have been a fan of yours for a long time now. Always watched you from the side. Its a pleasure to meet you.
Shush you. No logic allowed.
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